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Currently Leo has a video by Shunyamurti at the top of his blog , below a different one Shunyamurti is the director of Sat Yoga Institute, teacher of non-duality and the world's different approaches to the realization of our natural state of Being, talks about the importance of Love and relates it to the perspective of Sri Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi.director of Sat Yoga Institute, teacher of non-duality and the world's different approaches to the realization of our natural state of Being, talks about the importance of Love and relates it to the perspective of Sri Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi (1879 – 1950) Sat Yoga Institute, based in Costa Rica, is an ashram, retreat center, and spiritual community, guided by the profound teachings and presence of Shunyamurti. It is a place to study, to heal, to meditate, it is a place to realize your highest potential. Here is the introductory video on his youtube channle

"enlightenment marketer" has a negative connotation

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Note the theme of the thread. Is someone come into this thread disagreeing they are the contrarian. "Absolute love" is a term different people define in different ways so kindly stop your pecks and clucks , we are trying to foster love here. I don't think in absolutes, perfections and extremes To me that is religion not clear consciousness the best way to stop the progression of this thread is to not reply to it

The way it is done is some countries is if you are having thoughts or feelings to harm yourself or others they can detain you. I think that is reasonable. They will also give you medications to try to get you off of those suicidal or violent thoughts and it works sometimes. But the extent of this also has to consider your civil rights. If you had a psychotic break in another country they might let you go if your parents came to pick you up. But that is not always available. However other countries may do things differently. If you feel like you mental health is not stable and you go to another country and you love the other country it may work out but there can also be unforeseen things that you are unfamiliar with and they can destabilize you, take you off guard.

It seems to me since there are so few research articles on this chemical that you should do some very basic experiments with it. This would be along the lines of standard psychological tests done where a person is tested the same way before, during and after taking it, the largest number of subjects you can get. There are already many trip reports so the nature of these test would be less oriented towards asking questions about how they are feeling but instead how they react to certain stimuli , sensory, perceptual and motor skill ability. One might expect some abilities to be impaired but it would be interesting if some ability might be enhanced. I wonder if anyone who has done 5 Meo thinks that a particular ability might be enhanced, something measurable

My last comment was about was about chemistry and neurology

Some nondual traditions would say that desire contracts consciousness. And that perfection is not something real. Some nondual traditions would say that desire contracts consciousness. and that one becomes conscious by realizing these imperfections. And that underlying truth cannot be articulated by a word. Without using examples what is your definition of absolute love?

If all people here agree particular chemicals can cause altered states that means all people here are acknowledging a material phenomenon is real and can predict some sort of reaction. One could say it might be forever impossible to explain the particulars of this effect to experience but one would not deny that a chemical, a material thing can cause a change in consciousness . This book can be had for as little as $2 used. British neurologist, naturalist, historian of science, and author Oliver Sacks has taken psychedelics himself and recounts the experience in the book as well as discussing variety of causes for hallucinations.The purpose of Hallucinations was to take away the public fear of symptoms relating to mental illness by showcasing many instances where healthy individuals experienced hallucinations. Sacks also uses this book to educate society on the different types of hallucinations some neurological influences behind hallucinations. This is not to say that hallucination is the only effect that certain psychedelics have but it often is one of them.

Pubic hairs don't need to understand hurricanes they are hurricanes

He comments on psychedelics in the video. Obviously he hasn't attained Mike Tyson's degree of awakening But he has achieved something. Look at the freedom in the way he eats

I'm surprised. I thought you gave up the idea since you stopped following up on it

@Someone here You asked can we explain psychedelics under the materialist paradigm ? Have you concluded that scientific experiments cannot reveal anything about psychedelics?

imagination and reality are relative concepts that the brain uses as tools to do their best to predict future circumstances or intrpet current ones as to whether or not they will have potential sensory consequences Magicians and con men can disrupt these expectations

Another thing you could do is go to a forum with people diagnosed with schizophrenia (and others who are interested in the topic) At the same website Serotoninluv mentioned, schizophrenia.com a search int their forum reveals a huge number of posts discussing LSD https://forum.schizophrenia.com/search?q=LSD DMT https://forum.schizophrenia.com/search?q= DMT PSYCHEDELICS https://forum.schizophrenia.com/t/no-link-found-between-psychedelics-and-psychosis/19653 _________________________________________________________ Here's an article by evil scientific materialists and mentions other articles https://www.nature.com/news/no-link-found-between-psychedelics-and-psychosis-1.16968 No link found between psychedelics and psychosis In large US survey, users of LSD and similar drugs were no more likely to have mental-health conditions than other respondents. Zoe Cormier 26 May 2015 In the first study, clinical psychologists Pål-Ørjan Johansen of EmmaSofia, a non-profit advocacy group based in Oslo, and Teri Suzanne Krebs of the Norwegian University of Science and Technology in Trondheim, scoured data from the US National Survey on Drug Use and Health (NSDUH), an annual random sample of the general population, and analysed answers from more than 135,000 people who took part in surveys from 2008 to 2011. ______________________________________________________________ articles discussed in the above article, here's one Psychedelics not linked to mental health problems or suicidal behavior: A population study Pål-Ørjan Johansen, Teri Suzanne Krebs https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0269881114568039 __________________________________________ VICE https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/nzegbz/this-couple-is-raising-1-million-to-fund-medical-grade-mdma-and-mushrooms This Couple Is Raising $1 Million to Fund Medical-Grade MDMA and Mushrooms Norwegian researchers are crowdfunding psychedelics for use in therapy. In 2002, Pål-Ørjan Johansen, then a depressed psychology student at the Norwegian University of Science and Technology, ate magic mushrooms for the first time. It was his first encounter with psychedelics, and according to him, it saved his life. "It was an experience of biblical dimensions," said Johansen, now a clinical psychologist based in Oslo, Norway. The shrooms—also known as psilocybin—helped him confront his painful past in a way that no other experience had, psychotherapy included, he said. Today Johansen and his wife, neuroscientist Teri Krebs, are prominent psychedelics researchers and advocates. They believe drugs such as psychedelics and MDMA (ecstasy) have the potential to heal and transform people's lives for the better. Now, they're working to expand access to quality-controlled psilocybin and MDMA around the world. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ So these are researchers are associates, including a husband and wife and they are advocates. I would take that into consideration. They might be right or they might be biased and right about some things and not right about others. And as we know they are also scientists, aka evil materialists Of course each psychedelic is not the same. They may have very different chemistry from one another, different effects and generalized statements may not be so useful. So I would read all of this stuff, the articles and the forum posts. The smart thing to do, in my opinion is get a variety of opinions and accounts. I think everyone would agree with some of these chemicals you can have a wonderful an awesome experience and you can also have a stressful scary one. And experienced users will tell you that one can have many nice experiences with particular chemical and then even with experienced use a scary one could occur without warning. Others may report no such scary trip. Many experienced users advocate using a trip sitter especially for people new to a particular chemical.

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I had the wrong URL but I just went back and corrected it in my previous post https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6870484/?dopt=Abstract NIH National Library of medicine Arch Gen Psychiatry LSD Psychosis or LSD-induced Schizophrenia? A Multimethod Inquiry M M Vardy, S R Kay PMID: 6870484 DOI: 10.1001/archpsyc.1983.01790070067008

I have never heard of It's not upsetting. offensive and wrong is more apropos. Love is a feeling. It is not an idea where you can take the human out. That is dehumanization. Love is something a living being feels not an intellectual concept. You are giving me a relative scenario, picking a beautiful forest as an example and not a back alley of dog shit, garbage, medical waste and flies. We are talking about beauty here not love. It's relative. This same scene to someone born in that environment might be commonplace to them and a skyscraper or desert oasis might seem beautiful to them. As soon as you speak a word you are speaking relatively. So what is "unconditional love" ? Does that mean we love the smell of week old urine and rotten eggs? Do we love to watching children being tortured ? Do we love seeing a pile emaciated corpses that have begun to stink? Another way, the more common way this term "unconditional love" is applied is not love alone. It's a decision to be committed to the well being of another person no matter what. For instance a mother might say this of her children. Does this mean the mother is feeling love for her child 24 hours a day? No she does and thinks about other things as well. Does this unconditional love means she loves everything? No. Other children that are not hers she will not have the same level of commitment to. Unconditional love is not constant love nor is it loving everything. What about loving everything all day land all night long? That might sound like a nice idea but it's not humanly possible and it's not a good thing to love things like harming people. What about if we like the idea of oneness (nonduality) means we we pick some word that we like to be the oneness and everything is made out of it? That is cute but nonsensical. Is nuclear waste, vomit and piss love ? Or is it just the plants , trees and decaying branches that are love? Love is a tree or is it that you love trees? There's a difference. Again "infinite love" "Absolute love" "unconditional love" "purity" "perfection" These are all idyllic mental constructs. Some to say love is endless but loves ends, It takes time to realize this And then ones are born

You referred to this website. It also says they also linked this article

So there hasn't been enough research to determine how risky LSD and other psychedelic chemicals for people with schizophrenia in the family

But there are decades of trip reports an written accounts

So if having a grandmother with schizophrenia increases one's risk of developing schizophrenia by 4% compared to the general population what is the percentage of risk that a person has if taking LSD of triggering a psychosis if the person has a grandparent who had schizophrenia?

do you have a source for this?

No, what you just said about true spirituality does not translate to "God imagines an infinite number of living beings being killed and that that is love made manifest." In fact the situation is the opposite of what you are saying. I have been been the one saying that suffering exists and everything is not "love" as is continually claimed. The problem is exactly the opposite of what you suggest , feel-good spirituality is pretending that suffering does not exist and everything is "love" . That is denial, in fact apathy in disguise, a corruption of language which I hope does not manifest in reality