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@maxpechura This is true. But, we can learn to use the stress of life to make us stronger. There are books on this.

@OBEler Yeah sure. I admit I thought it was very funny to Rhyme strain with brain. I can easily overlook the tone of voice doesn’t carry well on a forum. I generally am very serious about these substances. It is true that these substances strain your brain and mind. This is why taking time to integrate and to go slow is important. These substances affect us all differently. They tend to strain the brain though regardless.

@Leo Gura He explained it in an interview. This expands on the model, and helps to clarify things. I enjoy his take on Big Wholeness.

I do think that if you don’t have already some kind of knowledge of things like spiral dynamics this book has sections that may be difficult to understand. I do appreciate his use of repeating himself. Often multiple times in the same paragraph. The book at times feels a big jumbled. I would like more… tables and visuals especially early on. Overall, it’s a joy to read. I’ve read nearly have of his book religion of tomorrow. I like this book. Hopefully it encourages me to dive I to his works. I’d like to ready integral psychology and integral spirituality as well. I like his take on Big Wholeness, and I’m interested in his take on Tantric Sex. Haven’t gotten there yet.

Psychedelics strain the brain

The fact that 5meodmt only lasts like 25 minutes or an hour makes it the best psychedelic for me. I rarely wanna trip for more than that, and if I do I can just take another hit

It’s good to have a healthy fear of psychedelics

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@Yimpa Interesting. I don’t think they affected my physical health in that way. I also don’t use them that frequently and I live a generally healthy and active lifestyle. They have grown me in such profound ways. Them, in combination with manual spiritual and personal development.

I’m not convinced you’d want to be in a 5meodmt state the rest of your life… It doesn’t seem to work that way. But, I like when Ken Wilbur said that: Awakening * Growing up = Spiritual Intelligence. The awakening experiences are of course profound and important in spirituality because it reveals oneness, infinity and eternity. But, your level of growing up interprets the experience. I think a more useful lens is Ken’s model of Big Wholeness, where awakening is its own path out of 5 that we can use to achieve a higher level of development. Awakening no with 5meodmt isn’t the whole picture. Which is lucky. Yes it can be pure heaven but it gets old.

I think they do stress the system personally.

@Javfly33 😶, Contemplating interpretation is a useful skill for self actualization.

5meodmt can create an authentic truthful, unity experience. However, how someone interprets the experience depends on their level of growing up (refer to Ken Wilbur's Integral Meta Theory), and their level of spiritual intelligence. Someone who is at a low level of spiritual intelligence may think they are Jesus or something. Important to balance your spiritual awakenings with lots of growing up and cleaning up.

@Javfly33 It's all good. No, just making general statements for those who read the thread and to remind the community that due diligence is importance. Be mindful of projections, and be well. I was simply speaking my mind about these types of interactions in general. Perhaps try re-reading what I wrote in different voices and with different imagined intentions. I was speaking matter of factly. What I said is simply a good point. @TheGod Is correct. If I bought 5meodmt without knowing about it thinking it was just relaxing... I would hurt myself without proper training. When it comes to psychedelics we should always do due diligence. My response by no means is the totality of my interpretations of this issue. @PenguinPablo Hi, if I am not sure I understand you correctly. In life there are not real guard rails which is why I stress doing a lot of research, observation and contemplation.

@Yimpa I can't say for you.

Note: It's important to due adequate research before buying any substance. You should not rely on a sales clerk to be the person who completely educates you about a substance. You should pull from multiple sources and also realize how little understood psychedelics are in general. I also think that yes, these shops should inform people that that product is for experienced users. You can use a 5meodmt pen at low doses (small inhales) to relax after becoming a skilled user. You can take low doses and slowly work up at your own pace during a session by taking say, 6 small tokes over a 5 or 10 minute period as you wade into the waters, working to dissolve stress and gain greater depth, clarity, inner peace, and love in your contemplations. It can be relaxing. Though, it's not like drinking some lavender tea, it's not to be taken lightly. There is a meditation retreat called "Bridging Heaven" which is a week long meditation retreat for experienced meditation practitioners who use low dose vape pens for deeper experience of peace and oneness. I actually find using a 5meodmt pen in the way I do now extremely peaceful, and extremely relaxing while laying in bed, and just relaxing. Letting go. and loving what is. But, you should be careful especially if you are new to it. It's alright to incorporate all the ways people do use psychedelics. They are often used safely recreationally by people looking to enjoy their free time. Let's not judge people who use mushrooms to enjoy tv. Not everyone, in fact most people are not interested in deep spirituality. I enjoy tripping and listening to music and nature sometimes, especially with mushrooms. It's important to enjoy life, and if you trip responsibly in a balanced way that is alright.