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When I find myself in times of trouble, Mother Mary comes to me Speaking words of wisdom, let it be And in my hour of darkness she is standing right in front of me Speaking words of wisdom, let it be Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be Whisper words of wisdom, let it be And when the broken hearted people living in the world agree There will be an answer, let it be For though they may be parted, there is still a chance that they will see There will be an answer, let it be Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be There will be an answer, let it be Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be Whisper words of wisdom, let it be Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be Whisper words of wisdom, let it be, be And when the night is cloudy there is still a light that shines on me Shinin' until tomorrow, let it be I wake up to the sound of music, Mother Mary comes to me Speaking words of wisdom, let it be And let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be Whisper words of wisdom, let it be And let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be Whisper words of wisdom, let it be

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Thanks @Leo Gura

I’m sorry to hear that

@shree Relax

It doesn’t always happen. But, messiah complexes are normal. High Spiritual intelligence is a rare thing. I know so many people who have taken psychedelics. Some have gone through awkward phases but most of them are rather normal.

@puporing Last thing I will say, just in a fair response to you is that I have achieved Christ Consciousness without ideas of Christ. And, I can see Ken Wilbur writing about Christ Consciousness too when I look in his books. I will no longer, or at least I will limit my responses to you going forward with this matter. Wishing you well.

@Leo Gura noted

I am going to spend some time contemplating getting older. I am 28. When I look at my life, and my grey and balding head. I see youth is behind me. The future forward is greater wisdom, deeper relationships, healthier more balanced and stress free living and of course spirituality and creativity.

Let’s not throw all Christians under one false and unflattering image. I for a couple months looked after an Autistic young man for a Christian Family. They were amazing people. Conservative? Yes. Deeply Catholic? Yes. Their son, who I spoke with is becoming a Priest and did his first year seminary. These people are very involved. They were lovely people. A good stable home to grow up in.

I like Russell. Him being Christian isn’t a reason to dislike him. over the years all his video titles I’ve seen suggest he is smart, but just ungrounded

@UnbornTao Yup

@Keryo Koffa I mean Consciousness as the foundation of reality, ie, Consciousness. AI can be super intelligent. But there is only one consciousness that exists. AI regardless of how advanced it gets is not more conscious than a rock.

Now for Claude AI: Define: Ontology, metaphysics, spirituality, science, meta science, epistemology, consciousness, and write a brief summary of their interconnected ness and importance of being grounded in for accurate perception of reality Certainly. Let's define these terms and then explore their interconnectedness: 1. Ontology: The philosophical study of existence, being, and the nature of reality. 2. Metaphysics: A branch of philosophy that examines the fundamental nature of reality, including the relationship between mind and matter, substance and attribute, and potentiality and actuality. 3. Spirituality: The quality of being concerned with the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things, often involving a sense of connection to something bigger than ourselves. 4. Science: The systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment. 5. Meta-science: The study of science itself, including its methods, assumptions, and limitations. 6. Epistemology: The theory of knowledge, especially with regard to its methods, validity, and scope, and the distinction between justified belief and opinion. 7. Consciousness: The state of being aware of and able to think about one's own thoughts, feelings, and surroundings. Brief summary of their interconnectedness and importance: These concepts are deeply interrelated and collectively form the foundation for understanding and perceiving reality accurately. Ontology and metaphysics provide the philosophical framework for questioning and exploring the nature of existence and reality. Epistemology offers tools to evaluate how we acquire knowledge and what we can truly know. Science provides a methodological approach to understanding the physical world through empirical observation and experimentation. Meta-science examines the limitations and assumptions of the scientific method itself, helping to refine and improve our approach to gaining knowledge. Spirituality often deals with aspects of existence that may be beyond the current reach of scientific inquiry, addressing questions of meaning, purpose, and non-material aspects of reality. It can complement scientific understanding by exploring subjective experiences and providing different perspectives on consciousness and existence. Consciousness itself is a central concept that bridges many of these fields. It's the subject of scientific inquiry (e.g., neuroscience), philosophical debate (in metaphysics and ontology), spiritual exploration, and epistemological questioning (how conscious experience relates to knowledge). Being grounded in these interconnected fields is crucial for accurate perception of reality because: 1. It provides a comprehensive framework for understanding existence from multiple perspectives. 2. It encourages critical thinking and questioning of assumptions. 3. It helps in recognizing the limitations of any single approach to understanding reality. 4. It promotes an appreciation for both objective and subjective aspects of existence. 5. It fosters an understanding of how knowledge is acquired and validated. 6. It encourages a holistic view that considers both empirical evidence and philosophical reasoning. 7. It helps in navigating the complex relationship between consciousness, perception, and reality. By integrating insights from these fields, one can develop a more nuanced, balanced, and accurate perception of reality, acknowledging both what is known and the vast expanse of what remains unknown or uncertain.

@Breakingthewall Yes, and this post of Javfly is confusing existence with the Gross Waking State. Assuming states of non-being/ void are not existence. But, they are just different states of mind. It also assumes all seeking is seeking this void. This is false. Void mysticism is only a particular type of mysticism. According to Ken Wilbur’s work there are many types of mysticism, and mystical experiences. Of course, many of these being mystical gross states.

I am referring to Javgly’s post. Saying that exactly. not your post was making assumptions the other one you talked about. I sense I triggered you but I was critiquing Javfly’s post in agreement with you while making some finer and important metaphysical distinctions.

Perhaps, a note here is that this post is making gross metaphysical assumptions. It’s equating “existence” with the gross waking state. There are states where the gross state ceases to exist. But, this, as you are saying is not non-existence. Its existence in a boundless empty state.

@Breakingthewall I am not sure I fully understand your metaphysics. What do you mean the whole manifestation reaching unity? Is this rooted in a sort of materialism?

This is a common misconception apparently. Infinity doesn’t imply repeating or cycles. Infinity could make something brand new each second for ever. It is without scale, or limitation.

This is an interesting point. i think it’s worth noting this is true. We don’t know what will happen when we die. But, infinity does not imply you will live all possible lives, I think at this moment. Infinity is really well define as that without scale, and eternity is that without time. Infinity doesn’t imply you live every possible life. However… from an infinite perspective you may want to live any and every possible life.

@puporing I was reading Ken Wilbur’s book “Finding Radical Wholeness”. He says sometimes people at the ethnocentric (identifying with a particular subgroup, ie Christianity) egocentric (I, Me, My) and and mythic literal (taking accounts or ideas around figures like Christ literally) Depending on our level of growing up, how we interpret awakenings and spiritual experiences differs. Your level of waking up and growing up equates spiritual intelligence. He said, it’s common for people at these stages of cognitive and ego development to after some deep awakenings think they are Jesus Christ. I only say this because I thought it was an interesting point. As soon as I read this in the book I thought of you. Awakening and heaven is not something owned by a particular person (Christ) myth (Christ as Son of God and only prophet) and group (Christians). Awakening, truth, God, Unity, Love, Oneness are universal aspects of all humans. Awakening doesn’t belong to any particular subgroup or magical individual. I also wonder if your relationship with Christ is related to you still be at the magical stage of development. I don’t have the integral meta theory model in front of me right now, but believing some supernatural being has powers is part of this lower level of cognitive development. Lower doesn’t mean worse, just means less whole.

@AncestorOfAisle6 Thanks, I’ll give it a try! It was on capo 3 in the recording. I’ll try slowing er down and 4 and 5th capo. I also think I may as someone suggested write new lyrics for second and third verse but I’m not sure

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