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Important to remember that the people who rioted at the capital did so out of love, given the education they have had from: News, social media, memes, videos etc.... They actually thought what they were doing was for the good, for truth.... They love their country, and don't know where the lies start and end.... the lies in the US are so omnipresent people are lost in an Ocean of Noise.... not to mention peoples already tendency for self deception, devilry etc... Idk, I feel embarrassed when I make much smaller mistakes in my life. How is the US going to find a common ground? There are far more factors at play than meets the eye. You can't have a democracy with a population who only watch what makes them feel good. This combined with Corona, jobs loss, etc... It's madness! What is a hero in an ocean of noise? but a criminal in someones eyes?? and vice versa.. The intellectual infrastructure of a nation is crucial, and in the states it has been eroding for years. How does a country build on devilry transition into a modern world? Messily. To all my American brothers and sisters I am wishing you a safe ride through this.

What is happening in the states I think goes well beyond MAGA and more about what is the fucking truth? People are gonna do what they think is right. What are they looking at? So many things JP (not jordan peterson but Awaken with JP) does in this to me seem immoral in how he stretches truth... Truth is complicated AF.

@Leo Gura I see your point. However, I am thinking Jordan has publicly denounced that he sides with Nazi. I imagine he would take offence that someone claims he sides with Nazis given his background and study. He even claimed that they didn't like his ideas. He also claims to be against the ideologies that lead to Nazism. I do know he has made open comments about the extreme left, and not about the right. I would be mindful of saying he 'sided with neo-nazis'... I don't think he has done this, at least not intentionally. I agree he is not the intellectual people portray him as. I will keep an open mind. Jordan Peterson was been a tough person to understand. I think he has cognitive dissonance for sure. But, also his own perspective that has at least kernels of truth. Should he be denounced? I will let that sit for awhile and think about it. He is not someone I hold as the standard of intellect I spend my time listening to, other than to understand him as a phenomen. I want to see him and his situation more clearly. Is he to blame for it partially? Well, perhaps I can see your point there. But, having dissonance and not seeing the wider implications of what you are saying, is that the same as siding with?

@Mips Do your research, be mindful and when you do do it, commit to it with an open mind.

Not sure if this is shared here already. Michael Moore thinks more riots are to come! But much bigger....

@Rolo Does that for me too. time to quit that waky tabaccy. Weed can do that to people. take a break maybe?

In what ways to do you uncover, face, correct and transcend your beliefs, models of reality that have no grounding in reality? One thing that is becoming apparent on my path is that I am moving from an area of delusion, ignorance, prejudice and cognitive dissonance toward open mindedness, truth, not knowing, self knowledge and aligning myself with the geometry of the cosmos. I am finding it a rewarding, but often painful process. I find when I discover an aspect of my thinking that is delusional that I have a mixed group of feelings because reality is so complex, and there are so many sciences, world views, etc that I find it hard to trust myself or others. I want to know that the models of reality and systems for living I use are in accordance with truth. However, taking into account my selfishness, relativity, cultural programming, wishful thinking etc and being inside this beautiful biological meat bag it is hard to know what is true. Personally I am doing the following: 1. Radical Open mind 2. Reading books on how the mind works especially focused on how the mind tricks you 3. journaling 4. Meditation 5. Self love and inner patience 6. Holding my mental models to the light of day 7. Asking powerful questions 8. Research 9. Feeling into my heart, body and intuition 10. Admitting when I don't know, or that I have been delusional and in what areas 11. Patience with confusion, not knowing etc 12. Not allowing my self image to be one of righteousness but one of curiosity and patience How do you deal with overcoming inner delusion and falsehood?

"I know a time is coming.... All Words will lose their meaning..."

@James123 Because of Consciousness and Awareness. There are many 'I'....

@tsuki Great Response @Tim R I think that is a good point too.

@James123 There are States, because there is no 'I'

@Skin-encapsulatedego No they are not a distraction, but can be. For example the insights from 5meo or LSD have given me insights into creativity, body awareness, forgiveness, God, Mental models, paradigm shifts, etc none of which I could have had otherwise. They are not a distraction (though at times misleading for me... but that is because of my own level of developmental structure, lack of maturity etc) psychs are essentially tools to be used like any other spiritual tool. I think our culture doesn't understand them and the fear of being 'high on drugs' , dualism and 'war of drugs' mentality, fear of being seen as a 'drug user' all make it more challenging. Not to mention the immaturity that comes from recreational psychedelic use in pop culture... I think ultimately it is up to you and how you use them in your life. If 'just in time learning' was a thing in personal development, there may be times that doing a psych is a good idea, and times when it is a distraction. Your level of awareness and self knowledge will determine this.

I relate to this. Trust that these feelings are a guidance towards a new light!

@somegirl Personally, I don't think so. I would imagine that the best and most sustainable systems are built upon truth, systems thinking and ecology. Does the sun and moon lie to the earth? No... It just holds it in place and has done so for billions of years. I think that evil, lies and manipulation can likely last a relatively long time, however not forever or 'long' when compared to what a society can do with the right foundations of 'Truth' in place. I think that life on the planet wants to evolve its consciousness and in the long run humanity wants order and justice because it wants to survive. (though corruption is also created by low conscious survival needs). Lies and corruption wear away at the stability of large systems, words lose their meanings, mental health declines... Of course its case by case... In order for any group of people to successfully get along there needs to be some coherency in their world views. Different situation call for different types of survival strategy. Also, it might not be obvious to the people are are doing the manipulating and lying that they are even doing so. Take certain religions and secular views that are cognitively dissonant and. Who is to say what is evil and what is good when things end up in a grey area? From what you described I would say that that kind of system wouldn't last long. A system with no balance isn't going to be able to last compared to one based on truth.

@xxxx I use moments like this to learn more about myself and others and to grow more compassionate. I relate though... guilt and shame are things I work with as well. As well as the fear of hurting people again. The most powerful thing I do, is give myself that Love. That love I wonder if I deserve anymore because I was mean, I wonder 'do I deserve love'? You deserve love. That guilt you feel is only a signal to listen to, self correct and keep going!

@meow_meow For me after this past year of inner work, Yoga, Reading, Contemplating, Qigong, psychedelics etc. I am finding self inquiry and journaling to be absolutely crucial. The field of potential is huge. A problem I have with where you are in this post (I have been here before) is that you don't know what you don't know. I have had many awakenings and I never could have seen them coming. This beast, this maze of life is so huge that if I am going to get from where I am, both materially, socially and spiritually I see that asking and answering high quality questions is crucial. To really wrap your mind around this... it's A LOT Sometimes it looks like trying a stretch, or a practice, a food.... There is layers to this shit. Insights feel really good and are one of the fruits of just being alive. So don't quit! Eureka moments are amazing. Which honestly, If. I am going to be on this earth for the next 70 years.... There is so much new stuff to discover. Let the awakenings unfold how they will. The more you read, practice and experience the more you will realize it is worth it. Sure, there well be challenges. Sometimes a trip can start rough, but can get sweet once the egos in the room dissolve and love comes in. I don't believe that there is one solid enlightenment but varying degrees and kinds of enlightenment. I think enlightenment can be a goal, but it won't be that image you have in your mind that is for sure. Especially if like me you are still working through neurosis and inaccurate models of reality. There is a lot of spiritual gold out there for sure. Alan Watts is good, but direct experience is king.

@Mindfang413 In order for consciousness to be everything, it has to be 'Nothing'. It's the ultimate shape shifter. Non-existences doesn't exist ahaha @OctagonOctopus Relativity and ego do exist

I just rewatched Leos videos on developing self trust, and setting proper expectations! Very useful.

Hmm, No Leo dreams Other than real Dream Leo. I definitely had to, and still ponder the metaphysics of Leo Gura. And metaphysics of human experience in general

@louhad I can help with that I am Launching my online business to coach and hold accountability for people developing a kickass journaling routine sooo pumped to be finally developing my stage orange/ achiever mindset and actions this year, and to do so with a increased level of consciousness. I think I have been to spiritually minded/ trying to wrap my head around actualized.org and my life purpose in previous years. All time well spent. This is a year of action, direct impact and earning some $$$. This week looks to be promising for me as I shoot for launch! @YarcoGood luck!

@28 cm unbuffed I think there is value in no fap, but I still have energy after a good nut n tugger

I watched some of Leo's recent videos where he talks about how on psychedelics that our insights are true, and that we can physically manifest things into reality. This may be true to the absolute being, but I have not found this to be true in my direct experience. Some insights are useful, others are misleading. Have you ever manifested anything by doing a psychedelic?

@Michael569 I totally agree. I have a feeling this will be far more lucrative too! @OctagonOctopus Thank you my friend! Hope you are doing well. Send me some music for my content when u can! @Rilles Thank you! I am bootstrapping and working to build an infrastructure using Passion.io as well. I will be journal couch in your pocket here in a few weeks.

I started out of this journey 4 or 5 years ago. I have taken the life purpose course, read a good chunk of the reading list and delved into my own personal research, inner work, self education/ spiritual practice. I am still learning, groping and figuring things out to create the good life. It felt amazing to see the smile on my client's face and to feel the energy of having helped someone install a life changing routine into their life. I have 10 more clients this week, I am learning from each one, taking notes and setting up my information sharing infrastructure. I am a holistic Journaling coach. (I focus on the journalling practice but have an integral understanding of other personal growth/ spiritual practices.) I am forever grateful to Leo and others on the forum! Good luck with your self actualization path. We are all in this together! Sending love to the universe! excuse any typos I wrote this out of excitement!

@OctagonOctopus I think so. Listening to it and then acting upon your intuition! Suffering is part of life, but it can be relieved. I will find my balance upon the slippery earth.. How do I add a little quote under my posts?