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@TheDao I see those positive aspects of Jordan Peterson as well. His values videos did help me to start cleaning my life up etc. His basic videos about taking responsibility, cleaning your room, etc are very helpful for men. But, him as an intellectual is a lot more than that. Honestly, I am trying to do my own analysis over time of Leo, and of JP. JP is great in some ways. As a young male I know I need intellectual and life skills guidance. JP has systemic, spiritual and epistemological limitations and blind spots. So does Leo. You can't escape it. I feel done with this thread for now. I can't waste my time on JP. I need to put more work into my life. You aren't a lesser person for being lower on the spiral. The whole spiral is different kinds of love.

@TheDao I don't see the connection between your clip and Leos analysis. That clip doesn't prove anything wrong with the video.

@TheDao Maybe that happened. But I didn't see what he tweaked or manipulated about JP. The video was pretty grounded in epistemology and models of development, social sciences, psychology, spirituality, etc... Was it perfect analysis? No. I think Leo called you a devil because you were telling Leo why he acts how he acts and suggesting he does so out of fear and devilry himself. Which, he may. But, I think Leo doesn't do debates for his own reasons which he has stood by for many years. I still need to digest that. But, debates are emotional and are not great for deep truths and analysis. Leo also isn't dethroning him or putting him down. He gave his own analysis on him. Actualized.org exists on a pretty delicate balance that Leo has built over the years. It's really amazing tbh. I would take time to contemplate why you feel the way you do.

I thought the JP video was pretty grounded. There was no attacks, it's pretty balanced and fair analysis given Leo's experience, study and frameworks. It's really a big picture metaanalyis on not only JP but on many of the social movements and conflicts around the world in general. A lot of this stuff I already understood about JP but its nice to see Leo say it. I've thought about posting my own analysis of JP for some time. I felt he was too complicated though and my opinion of him keeps shifting as I grow and mature. He is a real human being with lots of great things to say, and a complicated set of shadows and epistemological structures that contain truths but lack holism and higher level consciousness. He is also very stressed, anxious and paranoid. He also teaches some really great stage blue values I can honestly use more of... I need more of that in my life. I respect JP! I respect a lot of the teachers or public intellectuals out there. Though, I agree with not many of them... The world needs many leaders. None will be perfect, all will have consequences. Leo (or people) can provide a fair honest analysis about someone without wanting to fight them. I think that is the world I want to live in, where we can increase our understandings of things without being at one another's throat. But, that will take time if not eternity ahah We are so used to a confrontational space on Youtube and social media. Let us shift that here as a community to more love and understanding based paradigm.

You can't tell people to rely on God... use your rational faculties or end up like Connor Murphy...

Is sex really as important as we make it out to be in our culture? It seems like even myself have a lot of ideas, beliefs, guilts, shames, interests, desire, rules etc around sex and what is right and what is wrong. But, is it arbitrary and likely to change over the next 1000 years? Will sex become something more divine and understood?

Look up online dating courses and talk to someone. Invest in yourself and you'll be surprsised.

@vedame Masculine dominant, but he his teachings are really feminine. Love, holism, systems thinking etc..

Kevin Wathey's Podcast Synchronicity is a could be a good one

It's not enough. I think finding a consultant would make your life a lot easier.

Win Butler and the Fam nailed their life purpose! "It was wrong but you said it was right In the future I will read at night in the Neon Bible" Personally Leo's work and Win's songs are so related for me in my spiritual inspiration! It's super symmetry or somethin'

There is a way out and it is called Truth.

Qigong

Man, if this many people from around the world talked about me everyday I'd probably lose it.

It is hard in the beginning

I think the important thing is to really think about this. I read a lot of Leo's comments on the forum. I don't see any abusive or rude behaviour. He speaks like a normal person, unfiltered and as himself. You get lost in petty bullshit and can't see the countless hours he spent creating the book list, life purpose course, all his videos etc.... Eh, he isn't a push over and interacts with 1000's of people. He isn't a pussy ahaha. He is God! He is a leader, he is a human. Judging and demonizing others is just a sign of where we are in our journey. Important to hold him accountable as well. He also has weak spots and impurity I am sure. We all do. When you realize that we are all there is... be grateful and thankful one of us (Leo in this case) has tried his best and taken the lead.

I agree. I understand. It's okay. I would be mindful of putting words in peoples mouths. I think you feel stressed. I have gotten upset with people and Leo before... thinking well, what the fuck? How is that love? But, theres a lot of integration and expansion that will happen. Leo isn't hurting anyone as far as I can tell. He is human just like us. He is his own character and personality.

You are either infinite love or you are asleep lol Love isn't always pretty

@ivankiss Lol... Nobody is a saint by nature either. Literally look at the world around you. You are living in a fantasy. If you want people to be perfect, you don't get it yet. Reality is how it is. People have been far more mean to Leo than he has been to anyone else. He might not kiss your ass every second, but he could have taken down his video or website a long time ago when people started saying mean shit about him.

I like Leo, ahaha It's funny how deeply he has taught me to love reality He is also a dick sometimes.... Welcome to life. Leo being rude < many world wars, rapes, genocides, murders, millions of deaths from pharma companies...etc.. So, don't judge a teacher based on petty things Also, don't let a teacher be your big daddy for you... God might be love, but its capable of being a fucking dick too. You also don't know Leo in his personal life. He could be anyone.

"you are deeply loved and cherished forever"

Save it, my life tells me. When you are 25 and have like 20-30k saved up you'll be laughing as you know yourself better and wont be asking others how to spend it.

There is a good book here called Not Nice which might be useful for you. as a 'nice' person, its very useful. https://www.amazon.ca/Not-Nice-Pleasing-Speaking-Unapologetically-ebook/dp/B076VVH14M

Hmm, wouldn't use spiral dynamics like that. It's not mean to measure spirituality.