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@Breakingthewall Yes, and this post of Javfly is confusing existence with the Gross Waking State. Assuming states of non-being/ void are not existence. But, they are just different states of mind. It also assumes all seeking is seeking this void. This is false. Void mysticism is only a particular type of mysticism. According to Ken Wilbur’s work there are many types of mysticism, and mystical experiences. Of course, many of these being mystical gross states.

I am referring to Javgly’s post. Saying that exactly. not your post was making assumptions the other one you talked about. I sense I triggered you but I was critiquing Javfly’s post in agreement with you while making some finer and important metaphysical distinctions.

Perhaps, a note here is that this post is making gross metaphysical assumptions. It’s equating “existence” with the gross waking state. There are states where the gross state ceases to exist. But, this, as you are saying is not non-existence. Its existence in a boundless empty state.

@Breakingthewall I am not sure I fully understand your metaphysics. What do you mean the whole manifestation reaching unity? Is this rooted in a sort of materialism?

This is a common misconception apparently. Infinity doesn’t imply repeating or cycles. Infinity could make something brand new each second for ever. It is without scale, or limitation.

This is an interesting point. i think it’s worth noting this is true. We don’t know what will happen when we die. But, infinity does not imply you will live all possible lives, I think at this moment. Infinity is really well define as that without scale, and eternity is that without time. Infinity doesn’t imply you live every possible life. However… from an infinite perspective you may want to live any and every possible life.

@puporing I was reading Ken Wilbur’s book “Finding Radical Wholeness”. He says sometimes people at the ethnocentric (identifying with a particular subgroup, ie Christianity) egocentric (I, Me, My) and and mythic literal (taking accounts or ideas around figures like Christ literally) Depending on our level of growing up, how we interpret awakenings and spiritual experiences differs. Your level of waking up and growing up equates spiritual intelligence. He said, it’s common for people at these stages of cognitive and ego development to after some deep awakenings think they are Jesus Christ. I only say this because I thought it was an interesting point. As soon as I read this in the book I thought of you. Awakening and heaven is not something owned by a particular person (Christ) myth (Christ as Son of God and only prophet) and group (Christians). Awakening, truth, God, Unity, Love, Oneness are universal aspects of all humans. Awakening doesn’t belong to any particular subgroup or magical individual. I also wonder if your relationship with Christ is related to you still be at the magical stage of development. I don’t have the integral meta theory model in front of me right now, but believing some supernatural being has powers is part of this lower level of cognitive development. Lower doesn’t mean worse, just means less whole.

@AncestorOfAisle6 Thanks, I’ll give it a try! It was on capo 3 in the recording. I’ll try slowing er down and 4 and 5th capo. I also think I may as someone suggested write new lyrics for second and third verse but I’m not sure

Define: Ontology, metaphysics, spirituality, science, meta science, epistemology, consciousness, and write a brief summary of their interconnected ness and importance of being grounded in for accurate perception of reality ChatGPT: Certainly! Here's a brief definition of each term followed by a summary of their interconnectedness and importance in understanding reality. ### Definitions: 1. **Ontology**: - Ontology is the branch of philosophy that studies the nature of being, existence, and reality. It explores concepts such as what entities exist or can be said to exist, and how such entities can be grouped, related within a hierarchy, and subdivided according to similarities and differences. 2. **Metaphysics**: - Metaphysics is a branch of philosophy concerned with explaining the fundamental nature of being and the world. It addresses questions about the nature of reality, the relationship between mind and matter, substance and attribute, and potentiality and actuality. 3. **Spirituality**: - Spirituality refers to a sense of connection to something greater than oneself, which can involve a search for meaning in life. It often encompasses aspects of personal growth, religious beliefs, and practices, or the pursuit of a relationship with the divine. 4. **Science**: - Science is the systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe. It relies on empirical evidence, experimentation, and observation to understand natural phenomena. 5. **Meta-science**: - Meta-science, or the science of science, involves the study of the methods, practices, and outcomes of scientific research. It aims to improve the efficiency and reliability of scientific endeavors by analyzing the structures and dynamics of science itself. 6. **Epistemology**: - Epistemology is the study of knowledge, its nature, origin, and limits. It examines the definitions and criteria of knowledge, the means by which knowledge is acquired, and the extent to which knowledge pertinent to any given subject or entity can be acquired. 7. **Consciousness**: - Consciousness refers to the state of being aware of and able to think and perceive one's surroundings, thoughts, and experiences. It is often explored in philosophy of mind, cognitive science, and psychology to understand the nature and function of awareness and self-awareness. ### Interconnectedness and Importance: These concepts are deeply interconnected, each contributing a unique perspective on understanding reality: - **Ontology and Metaphysics** provide the foundational questions and frameworks about what exists and the nature of existence, allowing us to explore the ultimate nature of reality. - **Epistemology** addresses how we come to know what we believe to exist, questioning the justification and truth of our knowledge claims. - **Science** offers a systematic method for investigating the natural world, grounded in empirical evidence and experimentation, which can be evaluated through the lens of epistemology. - **Meta-science** evaluates and refines the methods of science itself, ensuring that scientific knowledge is robust and reliable. - **Consciousness** connects these fields by examining how we experience and interpret reality, raising questions about subjective experience and the nature of the mind. - **Spirituality** often bridges personal and experiential aspects of existence, influencing one's perception of reality and often intersecting with metaphysical inquiries about meaning and purpose. Understanding the interplay between these domains is crucial for a comprehensive perception of reality. They collectively contribute to a holistic worldview, balancing empirical investigation with philosophical inquiry to offer a nuanced understanding of both the observable universe and the subjective human experience. Grounding oneself in these disciplines encourages a more accurate and complete view of reality, guiding personal growth, scientific exploration, and philosophical insight.

I have found the discovery that reality is an infinite illusion both deeply and profoundly beautiful and divine but also deeply doomed and disturbing My level of spiritual intelligence in still questionable so take that with a grain of salt

@puporing would you say your mythic literalism and egocentrism is a filter/ framework for you awakening?

@Breakingthewall “Reality is not an illusion” Reality

Interesting conversations on spirituality, spiritual intelligence, ontology, metaphysics and epistemology. very interesting how different peoples spiritual intelligence is

I have the 15 routines written out and can begin filming them on the off day evenings. It’s a pretty large project. But, it will help me deepen my knowledge and give people something of value. I can put the money earned toward website costs. Vimeo OTT has a nice model for the subscription service.

Always working on my mindfulness. Yesterday I’ve noticed a moodiness and judgmental ness. I think planting trees, though a short term financial solution isn’t something I want to do for a long time. It’s an adevnture, the potential to pay well. The socialization has been very good for me and I enjoy nature. But, the lack of freedom and manual labour are getting to me. I am willing to do what I need to do in the short term to meet my savings goals. Building this savings net is the foundation of all future success in my Qigong business. I am in the process this week of writing out my first 15 routines to be put in the subscription service I am launching. I just launched a very basic version of the website. The subscription is something I can launch while building my savings. I will not launch the beta program until I have 6 months worth of savings. Not an easy task.

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No coulds or shoulds only is’s I’m pumped for his books. His mind is incredible

Guys, this book sounds pretty cool. Is anyone else interested in it? Why it why not?

@Husseinisdoingfine Planet of The Apes origin story

Personally not that interested in alien consciousness but for those who are u wish you well.

Last couple weeks were financially disappointing on this planting contract

@davecraw Try Qigong and slow take it easy 6 hours a day seems extreme how do you have time for a balanced life at all? Did you, if you reflect go from one extreme to the next?

AI cannot be conscious

@Rigel i have an app call 7 minute vocal warm up plus i sing a lot at work. I also use Yousician at times Will look to apply these concepts

@UnbornTao True But thé action is what matters to start