Thought Art

@ZzzleepingBear Negative thoughts is a far more robust happening than purely being pessimistic like "OH... Why bother not gonna find food anyway..."... It's more like... Well this is a deep subject... But, negative thoughts can keep you from stepping outside of your comfort zone because that has kept you alive. Whatever thoughts, positive or negative that have kept you alive in the past persist. Fear is a powerful survival mechanism. It can be a negative trait of course. Really, positive and negative thinking is such a paper thin concern. The level you can take your thoughts and interpretation of reality goes so much deeper than this.

@Wisebaxter Because that is the nature of relativity!

Martin used to talk to his feather for advice!

@Vynce I didn't finish the book yet! Though, the last week I've had the most lucid dreams I've ever experienced. I am starting to think it is possible.

Keep asking these questions, consider taking the life purpose course because it addresses a lot of this material. Everyday is a chance for new insights and cosmic victory. You can enter a new way of seeing reality Also, IMO, there is an important distinction between a 'role' you play, and the unconscious habits you have and your systems for living. Try reading "Code Of the Extraordinary Mind" by Vishen Lahkiani!

I think the most important thing to do is this... If Leos is making you ill, then walk away from his work. He is one guy, and who knows what his real intentions, shadows, short sightedness and lack of holism actually is. I notice myself wanting him to be someone he is not, I want him to be more open and answer and explain some of the claims he makes in his God realization video etc.. uliminately we are our main responsibility and Spirituallity is a bigger subject than ever explain in his videos, or that can be realized by watching his work alone. It's just one perspective. We need more experience. There is a lot of dangers here. Some of what he says and then how he treats people who ask questions, for example about solipsism etc make me question his integrity as a teacher. I think his videos are good works. But, him as a person I don't think he has the integrity I would expect... They are videos, and a booklist and a forum. He isn't a Guru or your coach, or your teacher. Sure, he will answer what he considers serious questions... But even then he might not. He sometimes just slumps people off or projects on them. It's the nature of things. Just, expand your horizons. Do the work. The work he promotes is really powerful grounded stuff. But, like anyone he isn't perfect. I think anyway. I love Leo, he is an amazing person. But, we are all a little faulty as limited mortals.

1. Take the life purpose course 2. Install apps like Fabulous App to begin reprogramming your mind to serve you 3. Begin journaling, reading high quality books, listening to audio books or mini books like HeadWay 4. Take more time just to sit and be with yourself Find what works for you. Take more online courses instead of watching BS that is way outside your locus of control. I think the more centered and practical your information diet the better.

Well, then your fucked. (kidding) You can learn to do anything you put your mind too. Just, take the time and do the work. You got this. So, you better install some beliefs that actually serve you instead of creating walls and bricks where there are none. Of course you can heal yourself. Just go do it and stop being so addicted to pain and victimhood. It's your birthright to be happy, loving and loved and successful. Just, work at it everyday. You got this!

Some of his teachings sound insane to most people. Like, he doesn't have his own conciousness and I just pretend he does so I don't feel alone. Well, no the video of Leo doesnt... But, I am not all alone anyway there are plenty of people I love in my life..?

You need to take your mental health seriously. Like any tool you need to use it properly, in the right context and at the right time in your life. If you are already unstable I think you are better off focusing on that. Building that stability you need. It's totally up to you. The problem is from what I am reading and seeing you saying over the past few weeks is that your already so unstable and struggling in many areas you are better off taking a more traditional approach of meditating, developing healthy habits, taking online courses in the areas of your weakness, seeking professional help. Begin to build a solid foundation and a life you can enjoy. These substances wont change your life. They can be used as tool but... don't look for easy ways out. Take care. Reach out to a professional, you will be okay. Stop taking the path of least resistance.

@Vynce I had a book on Dream Yoga. Supposedly you can practice yoga in dreaming and get some deep results. Hopefully I get my book back here one day!

@Jo96 You want to use your intuition. Use it responsibly. I notice permanent changes in myself (ability to let go, relax, more compassion for myself and others, awareness of ego in others etc... You need use it in conjunction with many other tools (reading, books, Qigong, meditation etc). I think in Leo's 5meo video he recommends once a week max. But, really you need to use your intuition. I think the risk of abuse for 5meo is pretty high. The more powerful the tool the more maturity and responsibility is asked of you. There are many other people who have used it in different ways ie Martin Ball. I'd say you are safer going slowly so you can gauge your mental health between trips. Like, maybe once a month or every two weeks with proper safety protocols put in place. It can make you ignorant towards the egos around you and they hate that. So, be wary! No need to rush here. Don't chase pleasure, mystical highs etc.... I personally notice that reality now has a much finer HD than it used to.

Notice how you are doing exactly what you are accusing me of. You need to question your own beliefs as to why God is not infinitely powerful. IS truth silent? Or is that a belief you have? What layer of truth and at what state and in what context? "There is no need to make forum posts asking questions if you are living from absolute consciousness. If you are challenging everything, you must also challenge what you currently believe about God. Just sayin'. All beliefs come crashing down in the end." ^You aren't getting what I am saying. There is no point to anything if you are already infinite conciouseness which is the whole paradox of being God. Because, it's indras net you know? Each atom contains in it the potential of infinity the entire universe. It's not fun talking to someone who says things like "Zen teachers running around yelling etc" because this is a forum where I am questioning my beliefs with you, not yelling at all. Also, Zen is not Leo's teachings and Zen has it's own dogmas and limitations. You unconcisouly give your authority to Zen, imo, but not Leo. How do you know anything is true at all? Have you fully completed your inquery? ARE YOU 100% sure Truth is silent and not, say, this present moment with all its noises and sensations? Aren't these just different aspects of the same truth? I am stepping into a postion of radical not knowing, speaking about Leo's teachings on his own forum. If you can't put that into context then, Idk I am done with this conversation. Leo's teachings are full of paradox. I am fine with Truth, as long as I get to it. It's going to take some years for me to do so. I have a lot of maturing and work to do as I am prone to making blunders still. Every school, every teaching, every book, every video, every lecture, every chemical, etc leaves you with only a partial perspective and often they result in seemingly unreconciable paradox. This is the nature of this reality as it appears to me. Information is so dense, our inclanation to learn and change so slow and frought with the potential for self deception and error... It's really challenging. There seems to be things which I can't prove or disprove that Leo says to me in these videos and these are things which I can't know if I an interpreting him properly or not or understanding the contexts in which he is speaking. The Video I linked above is him talking about God Realization... Not Zen. I won't quit. I will tear down everything until I master life and figure this out.

No, that isn't true. God is infinitely powerful. Could an infinite omniscient being create an experience where there are objects it cant lift? Or, others in which it could not predict or control? Of course it could. Because that is part of the game it's playing. I am not claiming to be in an omniscient state, so be mindful of putting words in my mouth. What I am attempting to do here is be radically open and challenge literally everything until I am True. I don't give a fuck what the truth is as long as I can ground myself in it. Ideally it helps with survival and a great life. So, whatever that is I am game. Okay, good night!

Like I said, God Realization can't be understood here in this medium. Leo is saying It's just me. What would be the difference? It makes no difference to me whether you exist or not. You are just a belief I have, even if you are real. This belief keeps me alive, and grounded and sane. I can zoom in and out and hold multiple lenses at once. To me this is the only way to make sense of spiritual teachings because if you lean to far to any one side whether is solipsism, or materialism, or idealism, or whatever else then you can easily fall into traps. If you lean to far to any one side then you conflate the absolute and the relative. I am not holding on to anything of these concepts. It's all sort of mental jerking off until you are actually God realized. But, then it's too late and the game is over ahaha Idk.

Yeah, for me and my life's work I am more focused on practical ,dualistic spiritual development from breathwork, Qigong, Yoga, tantra, sacred space, Esoterics etc... Non-duality and unity are important of course. Leo is saying very clearly in the video I posted above that it is just me. Which is true. Everything at the highest level is me. But, he is saying it radically so. I am sensing the futility of even speaking to you here given the implications of his claims. It's like he created a logical/ transrational loop with his words that you can't get out of or understand. You can't verify what he is saying unless you ACTUALLY REALIZE YOURSELF AS GOD. But, I am God. So, what is going on? Because, the depth and radicalness of what he is saying means that this conversation CANNOT prove or disprove what he is saying. That, God has to actually realize itself. And, until that happens this all seems like trivial non-dual bullshit that has nothing to do with living a good life. What he is saying might just need the right context. Or, he is just fucking with us. ORRR, I am still a newbie to all this and I just need to contemplate, work at this for a few more years while keeping myself grounded despite his very ungrounding claims.

Yeah, but what you are saying is not what Leo is saying. I don't mean to sound argumentative. Leo seems to be saying something radically different. He says he doesn't exist, that I am all alone and that I am constructing everything. I am fine if you exist, but do you? Would make sense to me. These "God realization videos" create a cycling triviality that really just leaves me back into playing within a relative mystical materialism because that suits social cohesion and survival. That I can remain sane and interact with others. He must be speaking about a state, but not something that is relative. I must be misunderstanding him, and what I think he means. Leo is saying radical things. I Am not believing him, just putting it out there. "You as God have absolute consciousness. What you are seeing is all that exists" is radically different from, what is obvious that my own experience is my whole universe, and yours is yours, sally hers etc. But he isn't saying that. He is saying is clear and explicit that it's just me. Or, I am totally misinterpreting him. He sounds insane... I personally think that there are other people, we need to be grounded and rational, balanced etc... He must be just playing spiritual mind fuck games with people. I can't reconcile how he bounces between solipsism, and then that there are other people. These God realization videos are trivial and arbitrary and leave me feeling like he is just wasting my time.

What I am saying... How do you know it's not just you and you are fooling yourself? How do you know I have my own bubble of awareness? What about Leo Saying he doesn't have his own awareness? Doesn't that upset you? Why are you here? Because it's either true ( I just don't know how to reconcile it) Insane Manipulative and I can't tell which one. Like, when Leo thought if he OD'd on 5meo that he would destroy the whole universe... Clearly that is him becoming ungrounded an putting that in his video.

I clearly stated the point of this post was to play with ideas.

I am saying that too.

Leo explicitly says that what I am experiencing is the WHOLE universe. IF that isn't the case, then he needs to fucking explain that in the moment he makes those statements. FOR YOU, this is YOUR WHOLE UNIVERSE. He should say, you only experience one bubble, there are no other bubbles (because there just aren't I have never experienced another bubble). So, in terms of spirituality this is all there is. This is actual and everything else is imagination or concepts. Regardless of if there is a planet. I can see there actually being a planet, which in order to understand is something I imagine. But, then he says that even me looking at a photograph of a planet is just as imaginary, though contextually different from just me thinking there is a planet. I could go out into space, look at the actually fucking planet, but I still can't prove if it's not some kind of dream or imaginary thing I am doing. Which it is. If God is a radical singular being, imagining others so it doesn't feel alone (which seems so arbitrary it is stupid) then, I guess I just got to keep playing the game and suffer through it. I can't live my life playing with these concepts all the time. Is he just being sloppy, or am I just some idiot? (I am an idiot, but, I can't tell if he is being sloppy) What does it mean to be RADICALLY ONE? Because, I can get oneness in duality as the infinite cosmic intelligence simultaneously playing each of us. But, if It's just this bubble of impossible shapes, an infinitely intelligent strange-loop playing with itself. I can't seem to prove or disprove it because I would have the infinite power to deny what I am doing. There have been times on trips which seem too synchronous and real, so clear to me that IT"S JUST ME FOREVER. But, then when I come back to the relative it's like that was just 'a pipe dream'.. as they call it. I have seen infinity, eternaity. Once when I was like 12 I had a fever and I experience grocked a million years in eternal hellfire... That experience really humbled me. Once I told my mother that "I have killed hundreds of thousand of people" during a fever. For a 12 year old kid to say that... I must have been possessed my a demon... Who was I in a past life? Lol! I have had trips where I realize that this moment is simply infinity playing a game with itself. But, am I just deluded? So, I forget it and just go back to playing this dualistic game of mundane human survival. Which is fine too.

"I Know a time is coming... All words will lose their meaning... BLACK MIRROR!!! BLACK MIRROR..."

Hey man, Shitting can be spiritual. Life is your divine spiritual journey. ups and downs included.

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