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@Terell Kirby Honestly, enlightenment is a loaded term for me at this point. God realization, becoming awake, etc. I am still early on my path. There seems to be a mountain range with many peeks. Discovery the absolute truth for one, will change you a lot. This is not really possible to explain with language though so, just bla bla bla

I think you'll open up more to the paradox as you go. You don't exactly end up where you began.

Don't take it personally. Just, keep asking, keep doing the work if it interests and resonates with you... I think Leo has hours and hours of content if you really want his thoughts on it.

A big part of this work is being sovereign in your own investigation Keep asking questions, Leo tends to be very relaxed on the forum imo We need schools and teachings of course, asking questions is important. I think there will be many times along the path we ask questions as things recontextualize. Maybe there is wisdom behind what he is saying too.. "It ain't for you.." The ego wants something... So, it aint for you ego.

Now now

It's hidden technology I don't know anything beyond that it exists. My boss claims he used one to cure lyme disease. But, I am not trying to spread conspiracies or anything. So, Reichian machine?

I know someone who cured their lyme disease with a riekian machine They are illegal for some reason. I don't know how to get one. But, they exist and he should get one.

Everything Now!

Wow, is that one sentence? I see what you mean. Yeah, all this stuff is hard to reconcile and to balance. We have to come to terms with all of this in our own way.

Yeah, once you realize infinite love, self acceptance and perfect unity you want to share it with others. But, that requires the right container and not everyone is ready to let go of their suffering. People really hold on to it. They will even demonize you, and call you a Zen Devil and gaslight you. People are scared of love. But, for those who are ready and in their own way, and depending on how you serve them. You will find people to help. I by no means perfectly embody these realizations I have had. I am working on it everyday. The more mature you are spiritually well, the thicker your skin will need to be. Jealous, envious egos will look for any excuse as to point our your faults and how you aren't enlightened or a good person. I know because I have been on of them. This is why I promote being a real person. I know people are starting to come to me for wisdom and Qigong, and other things... It feels really good and I am up for the challenge. Seeing people have breakthroughs, catharsis, and ease of pain into relaxation is so rewarding for me.

Salvia seems interesting. I will pick Martin Balls brain and read a tonne on it before even considering to try it. They are all powerful and deserve respect.

See, I don't know about that. I don't really know if I understand you tbh, I will re-read here shortly. Personally, imo I have thoughts, a body and nervous system that make up a lot of the elements of my experiences. And, ideally I develop thoughts, a state of being, a physical quality based on nutrition, proper skeletal alignment, and body awareness etc. The learning and developing mastery over ones thoughts, mind, body, behaviours, habits, etc I think are great for enjoying the experience while here as a human. There may be a groundless ground, a no self, a true self, God, non-duality and a nobody as the truth of the experience. But, I still would like to master these dualistic elements because I see that as being important personally. I don't know if I am understanding you, I think we have very different types of seeing and being. I am trying to develop a nuanced and integrated understanding of reality, and admit I am still just getting started.

Yes, always so much love and appreciation for Leo! Love you Leo. You inspire me everyday. You are my hero, tbh. I want to thank you and the universe by serving humanity in a positive way. We don't need to agree or always get along to appreciate one another.

I know that societies around the globe are overall maturing and becoming more unified and loving. I also see a lot of backlashes. There are so many factors in the future. Who will lead? Who will lead the countries? Will they be able to balance the survival of their own populations with the needs of the globe? Will we see more conservative ego backlash if the asks for climate are too large? New technologies are being created all the time. I suspect in the next 10 years some kind of fungi will replace most single use plastics, more and more cities are going to go green and promote walking, cycling, the bus etc... More and more people are going plant based, new technologies are popping up and we new have 'New Power' with the internect which means social movements can happen AT ONCE, in many countries all around the world. The problem is, can we even agree on what we are seeing? It's impossible to measure what is going to happen as new platforms are being created and trust in the social sphere is more and more eroding... This is all just projection and thought ultimately. Just concepts and ideas. But, for my life purpose I have to try to fit it into the bigger picture. I wish I could use a psychedelic to go suuuuuper meta... I wish the universal intelligence could use me as a vessel for this new age ahahah... They will at least help me grow as a person into some more wise and loving.

Devil of the day award goes toooooo

Personally, I think climate change and it's implications are to be taken seriously. Do I think humanity's level of understanding and globalization can be used to save our sorry asses in the long run? Yes. I think any work that can be done to mitigate the suffering of others is worth doing. I also think that humanity has never been in a situation with such a wicked problem. Past civilizations have destroyed their own ecology and died out because of it. Our current situation has it's own unique complexities that, though similar to past problems (information ecological problems have been around forever) we now depend on a highly sophisticated and complex global supply chain. Disruptions can ruin businesses, industries, etc... The more connected we are the more we depend on the whole global being in balance. Which, is problematic because now the whole thing is in deep threat of being put out of balance. See, I have a respect for Leo and his intelligence here. But, I am not sold. I think this is a real problem and should be taken very seriously. I don't suspect Leo is actually down playing that Climate change is a threat to our survival. We need to respect our environment I think if we want to last as a species. If anything, Globalization makes us more fragile in many ways just as it makes us more resilient and mature in others. We can't know anything from this thread ultimately. We need to observe this situation over the coming years. There is little we can do as individuals. We need to be sovereign and grounded in how we go about understanding large systemic issues. We are no where near ready to switch from burning fossil fuels as the world infrastructure is build on it, the creation of green energies also has a high carbon and environmental load, much of the world continues to eat meat, and so many developing countires need to clear cut the very lungs of our planet to feed their families. There are so many systemic problems all compounding at once. This isn't a "just suck the c02 out kind of problem imo. I kind of think it is magical thinking to think that all these various nations will all these complex survival needs are going to be able to agree and come together on this problem. You are not going to create a machine big enough to suck all the C02 out. (I mean, what do I know)... But, anyway. I am just a qigong teacher and a musician. I would love to sing a song to make the world fall in love and work together. But, that is unlikely ahahah. Maybe I can make people dance and ease their pain. That is what I am here to do. To spread self love and to ease pain. We have many people on the front lines working for human rights and to protect our environment. There is so much stress and fear in our population. We need to clean up our information ecology at the same time we clean up our environment. I just bought lunch out today at the story, and just threw out 3 containers and a plastic bag of single use plastic. I need to get my own universe in order before I can really preach out the rest of the world. I don't know enough to make any definitive statements on really anything in reality as of yet. The more I learn the more ignorant I realize I am. I also realize how ignorant and fragmented even the wisest of us are. So, I take everything I learn with a grain of salt. We are all basicaly children in the 'eyes' of the universe. Even Intellectual mountain Leo. Thought I don't know what Leo knows, who claims he doesn't have his own consciousness. I still don't know what that means yet. You mean the video of yourself? 'Bitch, stay humble' - Kendrick Lamar At the end of the day, I just don't want to see it at my windowsill 'cuz the tide is high, and it's rising still... and I DON'T WANNA SEE IT AT MY WINDOWSILL!'

I know. We will let God show us. We will show ourself. Life needs to be experienced.

Hey, I don't know what I don't know. Not trying to out think God. But, from my perspective there are billions of God, walking around with all these problems. Man, this whole thing is loaded.

@Leo Gura I've caught glimpses of this. I am still very selfish and myopic. Give me time. I have to come to all these insights and understandings in my own time. Though, perhaps you already know this.

@Leo Gura I will observe and expand outwards. Time will tell. Systems thinking is very difficult. I hope you got a good accurate beed on it when it comes to climate...

There are too many factors here for me to know one way or the other. I am concerned. You make good points about self correction mechanisms. All it takes is a few hot days to destroy entire cities or countries infrastructure, crops, etc A 4 day heat wave just killed 800 people in Canada and destroyed a whole town. I know that is one small incident in the massive climate system, but it makes me wonder what could happen as we move far beyond the tipping point. Sure, we can make changes while we have this relative stability. But, if we wait to long... I just wonder. We can only make these changes as we are now. But, if things go south... I suspect our human creativity might be at its end when we can't feed people, hydrate them or keep them cool enough to keep our economies going. But, I agree we have so much information and technology now I can't foresee what will happen. C02 is not even the whole story. There are so many delicate systems all around the planet which are being destroyed all at once which is how we are currently all eating and living our lives. I don't think it's that easy and I am surprised you are thinking, or sharing with me a one size solution to this wicked problem. -- thoughts Tell it to the brazilions destory their own rainforests (which we all need to survive) that there are easy solutions we all just need to come together. Each countries needs for survival are so twisted.. I really think this is a big deal. I am okay with being wrong, I am okay with my myopic short sightedness being corrected. At this point, I realize being wrong is my normal state. I am aware we have the capabilities radically change our environment etc, but I also suspect it's not easy. Hopefully the suffering gets people on board. Yet, still people are dying who refuse to get vaccinated. Leaders all around the world are still arguing, fighting one another, not agreeing on how to move forward, holding on to old systems. There are too many moving pieces here. I am stepping in a radical not knowing when it comes to climate change. And, the point I made with the Bananas is more so that things can be loss, and can't be brought back. I am sure we can make some tasty new bananas and I am surprised we haven't already. I suspect it's not as easy as you are making it to be. There is so much complexity taking place. Maybe you make a tastier banana but ruin the soil... Ultimately time will tell and I look forward to seeing this problem being solved. I hope you are right. I personally think what we are being called to do on a collective level is akin to turning a tanker ship on a dime. I don't think it's going to happen. We have build way to much infrastructure on systems that are bound to bottom out and self destruct. Let it be a lesson for me to understand how systems work. I am fine with being wrong. I will continue to study and observe over time. I think the problem goes well beyond technical capability... It's a problem of education, habit, localized and distributed survival needs, consciousness just as much as it is infrastructure and technology.

I hope so, I just think that there may be aspects that COULD get beyond the reach of any human intervention and auto correction. I have such little understanding of it tbh, I just am seeing a pattern here. There is a term in the systems thinking book I can't recall as I am studying at the library, but its something like the 'positive feedback loop' That gets out of control. Like, the runaway green house on Venus for example. It's a wicked problem involving the whole species with so many threads of human survival and culture running through it. Perhaps it can be stopped. But I fear a lot of suffering and death and war will result from all of this. The US is already going through a social rot that threatens a lot of things I think. I think the world governments a business have the ability to make things right. But, no amount of suffering will bring back the delicious banana, or heal a broken relationship, or make you 20 years younger. Some things are beyond our ability to control. I just hope we can as a collective, or whatever change before so much is lost.

This reminds me of my friends who decide to quit smoking weed by throwing it out, or just 'once they finish their supply'. In my country weed is legal and you can buy it at any time. So, it's time to change. I love distraction free technology which is why I use my remarkable for journaling and contemplation Changing the technology you use is important but you need to change your internal operating system and that is only going to happen through emotional labour. I am working on this. I just quit smoking weed, and now I breaking free of my distraction addiction. I would recommend the fabulous app, but you don't have a smart phone.

From my western paradigm and growing up it seems that most people feel the opposite. With all the dual how could it be non-dual? But, they miss the point

Yes, I mean there appear to me anyway, to be many schools of psychology throughout human history. Why is that surprising to you? It is all one. But, this One, has a lot of complexity too it that needs to be addressed beyond non-dual understanding. It think non-duality as a paradigm and school of thought if over applied quickly becomes a prison and antithetical to its own self. It should, and ultimately does include EVERYTHING. Which includes human psychology, survival, self image, beliefs, etc I don't think I am the only person in existence, or the only being as I am here, dualistically manifest within the one whole. There appears to be with whole social matrix and survival game taking place on a mass scale. Enlightenment could be viewed a vertical progress, transcendence, non-duality, seeing the oneness that we are all at our true core... but you still need to learn to think which is why I appreciate western psychology. My favourite Bon Iver Lyrics is "Gnosis ain't gonna buy you no groceries"