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Good quote

Try it and find out! if you want. It is up to you. But, You'll come back down to normal and you'll know. Yes, do be careful with it. Take proper protocols, and then your off to the Holy Grail. It showed me perfection, infinite forgiveness and love, Qigong, infinity, Truth, God, Love, Goodness. Meditation is powerful too, but they are different tools I think. They work in tandem imo. meditation, Qigong, yoga are better for developing a higher baseline state and mastery over your vehicle and consciousness. 5meo is like a radical quantum boost. To me they both go together. Like big time. Different people react differently too it. Some people do it rather frequently, others far less so and some people get so scared they never come back to it. Always use proper protocol and ensure safety of yourself and others. It does have dangers, and if your scared you can be foolish on it. Also I have noticed when the ego holds on it may want to look around and move and interact with stuff. NO!. Always lay down do not move around. Your coming right back, reality isn't going to change forever. Relax. This is it. You'll be fine. I was scared a couple times I was going to unlock some big change in my life. Doesn't happen, or hasn't yet. I actually think 5meo requires the development of a skillset to handle it properly because it really stresses and tests your metaphysics and world view.

I would say, It's not a trap. If you take proper safety protocol, measure it properly you'll discover some Good. It's hard to believe it's there, but it is and it's Pure Perfection. When you trip, remember I said Namaste!

Going in alone as long as you take proper protocol can be nice too.

Definitely a good call. I would go for someone who will keep you safe throughout the trip, is discreet and wont be mad at you for anything you do by mistake. Make sure they are informed you and two talk about what you expect from them.

People, stop mixing sex and business Stop misusing your power for sex I think this guy just miss read the situation. I don't think he was trying to hurt he was just ignorant and horny. Ignorance. Not excusing him, I hope he learns and she is okay from all this.

I think when we are too zoomed up things look bad, but God has a much longer term vision

@fopylo Important to listen to yourself, maybe talk therapy or journaling is called for as well. I personally think Qigong is very grounding as it will help your nervous system regulate the higher state you are now in.

@BipolarGrowth No, we see your behaviour. Your spiritual ability may correlate with higher degrees of openness and neuroticism which makes sense to me, especially when we are young and trying to make sense of the world. IMO, you are both young and immature. We aren't saying you aren't improving, or are capable of living a constructive life. We are saying, keep working on yourself, be responsible and mature. Chronically smoking weed, doing psychedelics when you are already struggling and are ungrounded can be throwing gas on the fire. Psychedelics can increase openness radically, which when we are all ready so open without proper grounding can lead to more delusion of grandure, meaning etc when in reality we are just SOOO open we aren't really grounded in a practical actuality that comes from deep inner work, journaling, meditation, Yoga, talk therapy, contemplation, reading self help books. To me these practices and sobriety make up 90% of spiritual effort. While 10% is substance use. Sure, that 10% might make up a good chunk of your deep results but that only works with a strong grounded psyche and practice imo. I've seen this TED talk and agree that different brain types require different ways of developing mastery. That doesn't take away from many of the points made here. This TED Talk also isn't your guys unique experiences. It's just some ideas. Be mature, be honest and ground yourself. Just keep doing that. We will all have our own paths to mastery depending on our unique circumstance. Also, be wary when you KNOW you have all these diagnoses in defending yourself against people who don't. IMO, we tend not to see ourself accurately when we can't see reality clearly. I understand wanting to be understood. But, also... be humble I think. It's all love baby, no judgments here. We are all on our own path.

Exactly. We also generally tend to think we know more and are more advanced than we are. So be humble. Then, in 10-20 years if we do it right we will see the seed we planted is now a full grown tree, on which young birds can perch and new seeds are growing new trees. I don't fully understand the second paragraph. I don't compare teachers in the way, but collect maps and models from different people and then work to integrate them. Most high level teachings that are grounded in truth have a lot of similarity in their structure, though content can be different. A great book I love is The Mystic Masters Speak by Vernon Howard. It's a collected of tonnes of quotes from mystic masters. You can see in some way how related they are. Namaste Brother

Qigong is standing meditation. My opinion is, you can have Qigong type awakenings in the body, nervous system and organs that you can not gain through psychedelics or simply sitting meditation. Also, side note once you are able to sit for 30 minutes to an hour you can also begin doing things like body scans, inner smile etc which is exciting. I think once you are comfortable with sit and do nothing meditation a bunch of new practices are open you to

I've done a few one hour sessions while being guided by a shaman online. I don't think I could do it alone. It can be very challenging. My whole body and hands cramped and everything the first time it was very painful. Be careful though.. A good shamanic breathing session is like a light dose of 5meo ahha After that session I was in a bad way and made some decisions I regret. NEVER MAKE DECISION directly after a trip, or intense spiritual practice/ ceremony. You aren't thinking right, and things might not be as bad or whatever as they seem.

Listen to your body, doing some Qigong could help balance out your system

Yes. But, to get to their level they weren't like trump, overly confident in their ignorance. They were humble and persistant and suffered greatly until they got to the truth. It was only with their realization, I assume the confidence grew. We must be humble at our stage, because we are not them. Leo for example is very confident, but that is only because he was stable and put in the work.

Oh yea, he openly admits it and I've seen him around on the forum for awhile. It's all love though! I've been ungrounded in the past. I mean, at this point I think I am learning to make distinctions between a grounded spiritual practitioner and someone who is playing games and is ungrounded. Honestly, we are in deep waters here. This is life! We have to go through our process. Ideally though, we make it to land sooner than later. A lot of us are young, and to become wise doesn't happen from watching a video even of the highest wisdom. We actually have to go out, try stuff, experience life, and change through trial and error and direct experience. Our programming, mental models, paradigm's addictions, and immaturity survive even the best and deepest video or book. It's a long term project. If we are young we got like 60ish years to grow. Ideally we grow over the next 10 years so we can live successful, beautiful, spiritual and practical lives full of joy, sobriety, clear thinking and understanding. But, the waves are big and our rudder is malfunctioning. But, I am sure we can make it through..

I think they are one in the same

Let's learn from our mistakes or immaturity around psychedelics and become good examples for others. Psychedelics aren't even the point, we are trying to become wise, integrated and spiritually mature human beings. The work we are doing is much bigger than taking some drugs, having fun, playing with spiritual masterbation ideas. For me, it's about evolving. A huge chunk of that is facing yourself, which is very painful but if we don't feel the pain we don't grow. Last night I was craving a joint, but I instead did Qigong, journaled, practiced guitar and read sober. Sobriety, with a well planned trip every 2 weeks, or month is ideal for me given my direct experience and maturing. I now have a system and well thought out protocol to make the most of the trips for my growth. If we are serious about living the good live, we should be so busy learning, reading, meditating, doing yoga/Qigong/ breathwork, contemplating, going to classes, spending time in our area of mastery, taking online courses etc that we only have 1 day a week every two weeks to do a deep trip. Integrate it, contemplate it stay grounded and grow. I used to be in this mad rush to awaken. Now, I realize less is more. Balanced is better. These tools, teachings and space should be aimed toward becoming mature, balanced and functional. Yes, mistakes happen, yes we are immature and young but the sooner we learn the better. We don't wanna end up in some shit situation that we can't come back from. Wherever we are now, how ever we acted in the past. Let's rise together!

Only game in town

As I sit and read about you two talking, imagining you exist. I still can't tell if I understand this line of thought contextually. I felt like I grocked what consciousness is... But the grocking is fleeting. I still don't know how to harness it, or if it is harnessable. but, if I am fooling myself I am good at it. It's like I've been doing it for awhile or something.

I think a combination of too much and not enough is most dangerous

I have that fear too. Read bout it in Laws of Human Nature by Robert Greene.

Can we all just admit how scary this whole thing is? Life is brutal. You make one mistake and everyone hates you and your life is over. All the success you build can be taken away in an instant with one bad decision. I am personally going to study suicide so if the time comes I know how to do it effectively. It's a profound balancing act, and it goes on and on and on and on... A decision you made 20 years ago is still in ways with you today. I get this whole thing is divine, love etc. But, it's also kind of sick and twisted. I want to be successful in my life, but living a life as a failure who everyone hates and demonizes... I won't stick around for that. I understand this response is fear based. I feel a lot of fear if I am honest in my life. If reality is infinity, I still don't feel satisfied with many of Leos explainations of love. I mean, obivously it's love but it's expression seems arbitrary.

I have suicidal thoughts because there are aspects of reality which are super shit, and I am still learning to accept them and course correct. I am eternal, and I don't need to stick around in some shit situation for the rest of my life. Obviously, putting in the work and growing through mistakes, emotional labour etc is ideal compared to suicide. But, If I find myself painted into a corner and there is no getting out of it. I'll take my chances.

Idk what it is. But, I learned a lesson. 8 weeks of hard work only to have to repeat it again in a few months is not something I am interested in doing again. I passed well the entire program, only to have a really bad exam...? I got in my own head failed before even started. Accounting is very technical, which is new for me. I don't normally fail tests, but I did here. Even though I have like an 85 in the course, I fail the entire thing based on an exam? So stupid. I was short like 7 points...? Why can't I just retake the exam? No use fussing. My fires are burning this week. I will not fail again.