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We are God speaking about ourself as we work toward some kind of consensus I think

Yes, that is fine. Yet you did make distinction between God and a human teaching. With that logic human teachings are God's teachings. But, I suspect you are speaking about your realizations through direct consciousness of God Realization? But will that teach me everything I need to know about spiritual sexual intimacy? I doubt it. So, I go for these other teachers. Who are me, part of myself God. Is God realization gonna teach me every stretch to remove all the accumulated excessive muscle tension from my body? No. I have to study things like Tao Yin, Yoga, and Qigong.

Let's see how I come to realize this as I progress. As of right now I suspect this is a sweeping over generalization. But, Let's see. Not that I doubt this is true of God (as I have experienced thus far this is clearly true) However, it seems for the rest of my life I will be a Human Avatar.

Or, you use all the practices at your disposal and stop making false lines between practices. You can do these substances which will skyrocket your growth and still have these other spiritual practices. I think they are all necessary to being conscious. It doesn't need to be state chasing. Which, by the sounds of it you are doing with your meditation anyway. Because if you are suffering... of course you are trying to change your state so its just foolish to condemn that. The peace, bliss and insights from 5meo have only bolstered and advanced my Qigong, journaling/contemplation and sitting practice. Both are still. young and as I progress I am very excited.

@Tim R I felt the same way. I mean, I think all spiritual teachings that are true converge to a peak. I've attended Tantric festivals with hundreds of spiritual teachers who teach in their own sub domain. There is not one teaching that will help you live a good spiritually mature life. Love you Leo, but be careful imo. You have your own biases, which is fine. Let's see how I feel as I awaken but there seems to be many aspects to spirituality that are important.

It depends if you mean me or you or which you/You. I have my own bubble of awareness.

Or do Friends are great But, don't expect a True friend other than your own heart imo... But yes, friends are a rich part of life as they come and go. Friends only exist to the extent you serve there selfish ego. If you displace that, they leave. ahaha

What of this psychedelics not being the only path? Isn't it true I can realize God consciousness but still need to read books to develop a greater understanding of reality. You need state and structure no?

Just learn to master the dream

I am afraid of being accused of things I didn't do, or canceled because I said something that offended people. Each time I see someone canceled in the media I have trigger and feel a tonne of fear. How should I go about getting over this fear? I don't feel like an offensive person and am pretty unity based in my thinking but still. Afraid of having my dreams ripped out of my hands.

Drugs are bad mmmkay

@GreenWoods I actually think Salvia really scared this person and they are in a survival response to psychedelics. Let's just leave it.

Yes. Let each of us see this a possibility in ourselves. I trust Martin Ball's opinion on these substances. They are pretty different. I am open minded to trying it if I am in a safe enough setting in the next 50 years. But, I don't wan to take any more risk than something like 5meo already has for the time being as a I mature. It's unwise in my opinion to try one substance and to discount all others. That is my opinion and I am done with this conversation. Good luck.

@impulse9 It's interesting for me to point out to others, that imo this is what doubling down on ignorance looks like. There is not one edge... I am open minded to trying salvia.. But, I've read works from people like Martin Ball who are very experienced in 5meo and salvia. He says 5meo is the crown Jewel and that salvia is (not only dangerous) but a low vibrational trip..

@GreenWoods It's very common for people to misuse Oneness. The mind has to over time, with feedback and direct experience and deliberate intention make finer distinctions in the face of seeming paradoxes. Especially as reality is meaningless, it's real tough to reconcile this stuff.

@impulse9 Well, that doesn't change anything from my perspective. Trying one substance and then saying none of the others work is just foolish. You can admit that right? It's okay and proper imo, to just say "I don't know" I am still learning myself. I have plenty of hours of different spiritual practices to pursue, books to read, things to contemplate. If I go around saying "none of this works" I wont get anywhere.

@impulse9 Well, first of all realize you don't have the reference experiences of 5meo etc. So, I would personally like to see some humility in you. Second of all, spirituality is a pretty personally thing so. It's fine you have your practices, tools and models but don't tell other their tools don't work if you haven't even tried them. 5Meo has opened up a whole new world for me so.. just check yourself. Also, I think you are screwing with what Leo is saying there. Leo is a major advocate of using these tools for curing mental health problems, enlightenment experiences and more. You are just factually wrong on that.... There is a huge difference between meditation and psychedelics. If you haven't tried them you don't have the reference experiences and should either keep your mouth shut or speak with some humility. Don't speak about things which you have no experience. There isn't one psychedelic experience there is a lot of room and difference between them. My opinion is to simply gain experience and stop playing games. Use all the tools and develop an experiential repertoire of the landscape we are in. Enough of this entities thing too imo. But, if you like that that is cool.

https://superhumanexperience.io/ They interview an ex KGB agent who uses Qi/ mind reading practices/ turning off other peoples nervous systems etc Hm, there is a book that documents a lot of these intelligence agencies using these practices I will try to dig it up.

I agree. I think they are a foundational tool for radical spiritual development. I am a huge advocate for the safe and mature use of these substances. They should be used maturely, and with safe time intervals between trips to integrate. Always use proper protocols. Mistakes may happen as you learn how they work. Bad trips happen, fear can happen, confusion can happen. So space things out and always use a journal to record everything. Do not fall into the trap of Zen devilry and abuse of these tools. Make sure you read up on safety protocols and if you are new to using them ask a many questions as you can before you trip. Leave no stone unturned. They reveal a lot, and help to recontexutalize what is taking place but they do not fix all your problems. Always measure everything and insure a safe tripping space. They are very pleasurable, but they are not toys or drugs to be abused. Treat psychedelics as sacred gifts, sacred tools and ensure proper protocol and you will be fine. They are a miracle. But, you are still here as a human in this dream with real consequences so be mature. I am overall a huge advocate of Love. Create a system of practices that develop you spiritually. I think psychedelics are a tool and there are many others. Psychedelics just may be the tool that reveals the importance of these others tools as it have been in my case. I also think a sitting practice, journaling, Qigong, Yoga, breathwork, etc are very important. Psychedelics are great but they don't address everything. I personally think because Leo is a talking head that of course he can only show you these things through these substances. Remember you are Loved FOREVER no exceptions. If you are doing 5meo... I'll see you on the other side.

@WokeBloke Lol, I've been in Beavis' shoes more than I would like to admit ahaha

I can't tell if this is sloppy wording

Healing The Shame That Binds You

Zen Devilry is almost a Guarantee as most people are Devils, and as you begin along this practice you are creating a false identity as a spiritual person, your ego mind is distorting reality and the poor habits of your upbringing are still largely operating within you. My advice for myself is simply to be a real person, warts and all. Be easy on yourself and honest with yourself as you work through your maturing and purification process. Don't beat yourself up for mistakes in the process. However, don't shy away from healthy shame and radical self honesty. I've made plenty of Zen devil mistakes. Yet, I am continuously cleaning up and maturing, grounding myself and developing a nuanced and mature understanding of the spiritual landscape. You are bound to trip a few times when you step out into the dark. But, in time your eyes adjust... and soon the sun rises.

If you put out right away... If it's going to be a monogamous relationship I am not likely to think of it as long term tbh. You put out easily ahah.