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And the problem with that is 100s or 1000s of hours people don’t have or want to spend

What you are saying is right in a certain perspective. But, I think that you can ground it in direct experience. There’s a lot of information out there and a lot of spiritual practices are actually rather grounded. Taoism for one.. @Inliytened1 Yes, that is hypocritical. (Side note I is understand hypocrisy is part of survival and relativism.) I like the Rob is a critic.

Nah, he is rightfully skeptics. We all should be. Leo is in the trenches of his work and will be wrong sometimes right sometimes.

Well, that’s how you interpret it. I personally feel empowered by what he’s taught me. I mean… humans do require education. Not knowing, or recognizing how little you know is a sign of wisdom also. he didn’t force anyone to watch his videos ahah… I personally have fun with the work though it’s very challenging and confusing at times. It’s been a wild ride! Yeah, and the meditation, psychedelics , yoga practices etc are practices that go beyond “knowledge” or… this sort of intellectual knowledge commonly used in westerns knowing. Very grateful for these teachings as they lead me to Qigong which has helped me generate an inner sweetness and helped me purge a lot of my anger and chronic pain. See, I learn from Leo but plenty of other sources. I’ll outgrow his work, but it’s a booster or a really good map IMO. Of course limited. …He does know a lot of things you don’t know Mandy. Be humble. we all know things that others don’t. I also just think it’s false that nothings broken for a lot of people. I mean just look around you.

Lol true Besides Leo’s video it would be worthwhile reading books by cult experts

How are you feeling today? Remember to use the proper resources such as therapist, and call centres if you are feeling depressed or suicidal. Leo nor the forum is the place you should be if you are experiencing suicidal thoughts and you should be seeking professional help, taking a break and grounding yourself. However you are feeling is totally fine. Feel it and be there. Things WILL change and get better. Keep working through your challenges and life becomes very beautiful. Feel free to share advice for people who may be struggling and your own story here if you are struggling.

Sounds like the old "this will last forever trap" We are bad at knowing what the future holds... (It's gonna be okay )

? There’s only 2 reported deaths from 5meo… important not to lie about things when there is hard data out there. Leo taught me to honour my life lol

I think you can voice your concerns but there’s a tact that is needed

I have tinnitus. I feel you. Develop that sensitivity thing is unfortunate. I don’t have hyperacusis thankfully… I went through a major depression and it made me pretty much give up on my music dream. I can still hear and play fine but… need to build my survival off something not hearing related because I realized how fragile my ears are. Music is my main passion for life. I still listen to it, I have no hearing loss. I will likely continue with music once I have more money in future. I am hopeful to find a cure in my life time. I no longer am bothered by it like I used to be. I do like silence and I will likely never experience is again. Luckily my tinnitus is a rather nice sound. I think stress plays a major role in tinnitus. I’m not fully convinced my tinnitus is due to sound I actually think it’s largely stress induced. I have to decide as I go forward whether music is something I will pursue. I mean, I already have tinnitus. As long as I use great care in keeping my ears healthy and do annual or semi annual hearing check ups I can’t see it being a problem. Really, is just means music has to be something I do once I break out of wage slavery. I’m still very passionate. I know I’m a good song writer and can be world class. I have some great songs.

@Heaven I do Holden Qigong. Mostly work around 5 Elements, Microcosmic Orbit and 3 Treasures. As well as meditations like inner smile and Three treasures cultivation.

“Now the war is won…. How come nothing tastes good?” -Arcadefire I have a vengeful shadow self which is separate from my normal state of consciousness that is VERY toxic. It’s vengeful, manipulative…. Very hard to work with when I get triggered. But, it’s part of the shadow work. Learning to see these negative aspects of ourselves with love and compassion is very important. A lot of us carry a deep anger, an ego, a fighter in us. We need to learn to love it but also see it’s an illusion. There is rarely a need to get even or anything to fight. A strong awakened person does not get bothered but the sleepiness of others. Pema Chodron has a good book… think it’s called “Peace in Times of War” or something. Very good, short and sweet (like 70 pages)

I’ve noticed this. I had a therapist and when I look at it she basically just listened the whole time, (which was really helpful honestly) and gave a few pointers and cognitive behaviour worksheets. But, when I was ambivalent about my emotions (feeling mixed emotions about failing an exam) she was like “you need medication” because I was feeling Mixed emotions. Now, I’m not anti medication but the challenges I was facing at that time were highly contextual. She was just being lazy. It’s like she sent me all this stuff on cognitive behaviour but she herself knew none of it and just lazyily thinks a medication will help me. Bla, The human mind is so complex. I forgive people. I will still use talk therapy as I find it helpful but… as a therapist you need to be well educated and not be lazily prescribing medication. There’s nothing unhealthy about ambivalent reactions. Or, in my case It didn’t mean I was in need of medication. Especially when I am doing cognitive behavioural work… there’s going to be mixed emotions…. Because the old cognitive distortions of negative way of thinking it meeting the conscious attempt at reprogramming the mind. Anyway, it was unfortunate. But overall it helped me a lot. Luckily, now with my Qigong, journaling, meditation routine and new job and beginning my career as a Qigong teacher I feel grounded and am doing really well. Still things to straighten out but things are good. ? Thank God for the life purpose course.

How can anyone decide that for you? for most people, sex and relationships probably come first

I have experienced "Wu Chi" I have experienced the absolute Truth/ aspects of it. But, I am still novice in my ability to understand things.I have experienced the "void" or the seed of all being... Or, that I am God.

No, I don't feel depression. I'm actually rather joyful and full of vitality. Did I say anything about feeling down? Just checking in on the fam Thread to check in. I've been down before ahah.. I know it well But, right now I am doing amazing.

*Looks at hands* Probably a low percentage have deep levels of understanding. Everyone is the Truth. But, we are in the process of learning about ourself.

Why not… use all the tools at your disposal in an intelligent way as some tools address aspects of your consciousness, psyche and being that others don’t . If you don’t use a tool at the right time it can be poison. However, if you use the right tool at the right time it can be medicine. Also, in the right way or wrong way will have different results. Tools likely need to be used in conjunction with other tools depending on desired results of your work, and your own unique needs. Speaking to a therapist and having some cognitive behavioural work is great for example. It addresses areas a psychedelic won’t. But a psychedelic will hit notes and reshape your mind and heart in a way talk therapy won’t. Also, a lot of tension and trauma is heal in the body so there are many physical treatments one can use. As well as other basic systems for living upgrades that can improve quality of life. It appears to me you want to develop a balanced and intelligent approach to awakening, health, and living. All for awakening, health, longevity and well being overall.

See you when I get home... But it was only me the whole time.

You don’t think God could create a universe in which things sort of just happen once the dualities are in place? Is it really a plan? I need a suit, hat, dance and Sex moves of Osho…. But more wisdom.

True… sort of gross that people just jump on ‘website bad’ instead of all the various reasons things happen… A wise person can be intelligently honest

Leo can communicate better on forum… But the forum covers a wide range of conversation… as does the video catalogue. It’s a blessing and a curse

We are working in a very challenging space. I’ve suffered from suicidal thoughts long before find Leo’s work. Reality is hard, brutal and scary in general. I’m not gonna blame other people for my own immaturity though. I have spoken to other people who watch Leo… and yeah they can seem a bit condescending and combative. This is a negative aspect of some of Leo’s work that he is sort of a warrior… but people are like that anyway. Sort of like speaking to a parrot. Leo’s videos don’t instantly make you more conscious. Unconscious people will take things and do… unconscious things with them… Leo’s work can be confusing. Newbies need to be taught how to go about this work at a safe pace… As a community we need to create a safe space. Perhaps contemplating what a video lecture is, what a forum is is crucial. These things are not medical professionals or medical services. They can be used healthily in conjunction with each other. It’s like looking at a map, then driving into a wall and blaming the map you don’t know how to drive. Take responsibility!

The article in a nut shell: Young depressed neurotic person still young and depressed and neurotic after watching YouTube videos. Blames others for his problems. thoughts on article: 1. No mention of Leo’s attempt to warn people of the dangers of the work or to make the forum a safer place 2. no ownership of responsibility of the people coming to the forum who clearly already had mental health problems 3. People on the forum and Leo don’t know you. If you are having panic attacks and have done 0 spiritual work… chances are that has nothing to do with spirituality. You need to seek professional advice. Leo is a YouTube channel where he shares his philosophical and spiritual insights. He is not a healthcare worker. 4. Thousands of people watch Leo’s videos and some will kill themselves. But, people are killing themselves anyway. There are a lot of vulnerable and disturbed young people in our society. Simply doing nothing isn’t going to help anyone. Anyone with suicidal thoughts should seek medical attention and call suicide hotline. For me personally, Leo’s work is about HONOURING YOUR LIFE! Suicide is not promoted here and never will be. However, it’s acknowledged the difficulty around assisted suicide for people in extreme suffering. Again, if you are suicidal call a help line. That’s what I did. I don’t blame others. 5. The subject matter here can be mentally destabilizing. Leo, mods and leaders of the forum should do their best to be responsible in how we talk about things like death, suicide etc… but we also have to be able to share our honest views of deep spiritual truths. It’s a complicated situation. 6. The article makes it seem like we don’t care about one another’s well being here. This is completely false. However, not everyone here is well educated, we don’t know one another, and this isn’t a place to find definitive advice on anything. Forums are not a place of truth, or solid mental health advice. Please use a professional for mental health advice not other people on a forum. Reality is imaginary. Death is imaginary. However, imagination is all that there is! Imagination is reality. Honour your life, take care of your body and mental health. Things being imaginary is no reason to harm yourself or others. This work is dangerous. So, tread lightly. Take full responsibility if your gonna partake in this work. 7. Please write articles that are balanced. It’s simply foolish to only take one side. Clearly tens of thousands of people are listening. How are they doing??