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Lol, if you can't survive well... You ain't gonna reach a very high spiritual level. The thing is, people have different models of spirituality. The mistake is assuming the mountain you are climbing is the "One True One" Which is false. Reality is an infinitely open ended game.

@Gesundheit2 no man, Karma is a totally fine spiritual path. The higher self can engage in doing what is right for you relative to your situation. here we are talking about spirituality on a forum. Glad Leo didn’t just sit around doing nothing with his life. spirituality has to include survival. It’s the foundation. So, by skillfully mastering survival you embrace the highest potential for spiritual blossoming. Survival is part of what is… so is enjoying life. . I think life is beautiful because there is a time for action, a time for sitting, a time for dancing, a time for resting, a time for deep awakening etc… It’s all spirituality to me. there’s not one monolithic rule for what is or isn’t spiritual. I think your being a little dogmatic. you shouldn’t be labeling yourself as spiritual anyway. That’s just another mask. What is, is. you can realize what is… okay. The end… wait nope… I just don’t think ALL of spirituality boils down to renunciation and selflessness. In fact, there are many facets and aspects of spirituality. Like relationships, karma, service to others, self love, enjoying the fruits of existence… Anyway, not trying to argue. Just projecting etc. many of the best teachers like Osho or Leo respect money and purpose.

Why would that mean anything? If you are eternal there is no meaning, therefore you can do what you want. seeking being antithetical to spirituality , or earning good money being antithetical, is your own logic contradicting itself. I think this because you are trying to seek a limited expression of spirituality through your dogma. But, all is spirit, all is you. So, you can express your own spirit and desires as you wish. That’s Gods love IMO. so, whatever you do your doing nothing. Might as well enjoy the experience instead of depriving yourself. also, for a lot of people we have survival needs that need to be met before we can achieve these higher levels of detachment. also, detachment and renouncing things are more the first two turns of the wheel of Buddhism… the third turning is more enjoying spirituality and indulgence once you’ve been liberated.

I've had many dreams ever since I was young that happen days, weeks or months later years later in reality. Strange. Also others that had nothing to do with anything...

Lol, theres nothing spiritual about being broke... Leave that dogma behind. There are many spiritual schools. Thinking that you somehow need to renounce you ability to enjoy Gods creation is actually pretty anti spiritual. If you wanna have an impact on the world, and live a deeply spiritual life thats gonna be hard if your worried about how your gonna pay rent or medical bills, or have to work a wage slave job for 35-40 hours a week. Leo puts out most of his work for free... and his course is pennies compared to what many life coaches charge. Chill bro.

Isn’t that what you wanted ?

I fear many things in life but death seems interesting to me

What are some tips for getting better at socializing at social events or loud places where groups of people drink and laugh and dance. I was at a staff party tonight and it was a lot of fun, fancy etc... I work in a pretty upper class environment. I did dance, and I socialized with my table but I would have liked to walk up to other tables and just start talking to people but I felt like that was too awkward and scary. That I wanted to sit down, but also deeply wanted to just sit by myself. The server was super cute... I felt like I could have made more eye contact with her. I could tell she was attracted to me. I was with her as well aha. I have long noticed that at the end of a social party I can often feel a deep loneliness, awkwardness and out of placeness. It's a total illusion I think if I just let go and flowed. I am fun, likeable and attractive but... This has long been a sticking point. Tips or questions? (edited)

I think, maybe you feel so much fear around this subject because you struggle to understand social norms? These interactions should be pleasant for everyone involved. The first video he even sounds intoxicated. it makes sense to want to be cautious.

@JayFueel God forgives all as does jesus because he is the son of God. As a human you must be intelligent. Forgiving, and allowing yourself to be in danger is different. You can forgive a serial killer (they are often heavily traumatized as children...) But, you are not a fool are you? Why would you allow him near you. Keep him behind bars. You can forgive intelligently.

Stop feeding your head with fear and instead learn what works.

Inspiring and a little combative

Looking for recommendations for books that will help me build a more solid understand of science, definitions, and its history and application.

Lol, we probably agree on more than we think Permission to fully feel the feelies

We are all finite, so we just gotta be ourselves. @Nahm Yes, Pharrell is right It's the only worth thing. But, so is Fully feeling instead of deciding one emotion is better than others as life is complex. Yeah, I think I value fully feeling and being what what is rather than being happy. To me, personally that is Love. I love you folks. Keep doing you. Om

It's all good. I mean, Mastery by Robert Greene is sort of a science book in many of it's chapters. Great for the right mindset. Just bought one of those "very short intros" on philosophy of science.

Same to you? if thats what you feel like you gotta do? Don't play the game you judge the other for play? what? You want me to be like someone else? That's a little weird. I am just saying, she misinterpreted me. Your not gonna tell me other wise. I don't give you any authority in this context. This whole thing is full of hypocrasy Nahm... which is fine it you gotta do that.

I wasn't describing the absolute nor the God head. Simply a list of 10 things I personally discovered through my own interpretive process and mystical experiences.

Lol your not gonna tell me what to do. Judy is wrong. And so are you.

Alright water everything down. wrong is a belief, as is your interpretation of the situation, as is hers, as are mine. water it all down… until it’s meaningless. She misunderstood my post. I’m learning to just let other people’s interpretations go. I was listing metaphysical insights gained from mystical experience… not projections or whatever she said. she also said descriptions are not part of the absolute… which is true but also false and dualistic. On Judy being present tense - actually she’s not. She’s sitting at a computer somewhere imagining she’s interpreting symbols on a forum properly projecting she understood my points. That was not truly being or grocking anything. nothing about the forum is really accurate, or present tense. It’s all mostly projection to a certain extent. So what she’s saying is obvious. your implicitly (I think) calling my direct experiences and my memories of those direct experience more false than her reading text on a forum. That makes no sense to me.

Are those really science books? ive read the entire mastery by Robert Greene, I guess it’s a science book. trying to keep thread focused on books surrounding philosophy of science. Maybe even books not on Leo’s list.

with regards to what? My own direct experiences? She is flat out wrong in her interpretation of my post… I’ve had mystrical experiences and listed them and then she told me they aren’t direct experiences which is wrong. She misunderstood the context of what I’m saying. Then told me they were just concepts and projections without understanding or asking me to clarify anything. don’t go patting people on the back like that giving one person the all good when you yourself might even be wrong.

Congrats by the sounds of it.