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Happy birthday voice in my head from time to time

@Someone here I've posted two videos and an article earlier in the thread. Here is a book by Grand Qigong Master Mantak Chia teaching you how to Masturbate and have sex in a high quality way. The Multi-Orgasmic Man

Actually, some say it's a balance... https://globalnews.ca/news/6509620/relationships-pornography-balance/#:~:text=Experts say there's a balance,-By Olivia Bowden&text=Pornography can be a sensitive,'t inherently “bad.” I personally think all the shame around sexuality is a crisis more than sexuality as a whole when done properly and in a quality way. The reason there is so much disfunction is this.... YOU... (and the people who raised me) Were taught to demonize and be afraid or pleasure, sensuality, feelings, emotions, vulnerability, etc. Our culture demonizes love, and wonders why there are pedophiles molesting children in the church. When you take sexuality and you demonize it and hide it... it smashes through and expresses itself in fucked up ways that causes so much harm, in a sea of deep shame around the subject even when done "properly". That was a major error in the christian way of thinking.... Thinking that sex was less than holy when actually sexual energy IS GOD, It ITS THE HOLIEST FUCKING ENERGY ON THE PLANET. Many men who can't get sex from women for example, will simply have sex with other men because men are easier to have sex with. Sex education is crucial CRUCIAL for the awakening and development of humanity so it can fully blossom. It will take a thousand or more years for humanity to heal and develop out of it's sexual, shameful, dysfunctional dark age.

You want a yes or no, but it's not a yes or no thing. Yeah, it can be done in a high quality way (which may open you up do doing it very frequently and getting positive benefit) and a low quality way (ejaculation and sprint masturbating) which shouldn't be done, or done regularly.

Well, it's an aspect of self love. It's definitely not loving yourself to shame, and disconnect from your life force energy and learning to masturbate and have sex in a high quality way. It's not love to create division within yourself. It's not really self love to watch porn and masturbate in shame. But, it may be self love to make love to yourself and to learn about the full potential of your natural, sober energetic system and the sheer beauty and brilliance that is available to you, given to you by God. The problem is, you don't really love God's creation and you abuse or demonize it. Self love is a deep, nuanced topic and it covers a lot of different aspects of reality.

Pleasure and self love = Bad. Whatever you do. Don't enjoy your life.

@Knowledge Hoarder Yeah, but is this about porn or masturbation? I am not promoting the watching of porn... But getting to know your sexual energy, your genitals and your overall energetic system. What do you think Kundalini is? What do you think Qi is?... A major component is sexual energy. Shaming your sexuality, and shaming masturbation is gonna cause you more issues than learning to do it in a healthy way.

That's cool. I am saying the same thing. Just stop saying people shouldn't masturbate at all. You can masturbate every day if you do it properly and it can improve your health. It's part of a good Qigong practice. Your body should be full of pleasure everyday. Instead of fear, anxiety and guilt or whatever else society teaches you is normal. Your sexual energy is a gift. Orgasm, is not ejaculation. Ejaculation should be done rarely. But, you can Orgasm everyday and it inspires your spirit. If people are abusing anything... drugs, running, yoga, sex, masturbation, porn etc... an excess of anything will have problems.

Careful attacking people and calling them drug addicts. Your sexual energy is a gift and if you've been abusing it that's your problem.

And? What does that have to do what I shared with you. Did you know if you run a marathon everyday its bad for your joints? If you think your sexual energy, and self pleasuring is bad. You are vastly limiting your potential for spiritual development. You should be using your masturbation to fall deeply in love with yourself, to know yourself sexually and energetically and to become a better lover. I haven't defended nor promoted porn or chronic ejaculation. Don't project that on me. Your sexuality is a gift, your sexual energy is a gift. Learn to masturbate in a quality way and enrich your life, your organs, your wellbeing and your spiritual growth. Stop abusing your sexual energy. I am not arguing with you. I am adding nuance. Your saying masturbation is bad, is just false.

1. Don't start by shaming masturbation. I think you are completely wrong by saying you are better not masturbating at all. Your sexuality and energy is important. I am still developing this but my current view is... Learn to masturbate really well and do it in a quality way. STOP SHAMING MEN FROM MASTURBATING and saying its bad. You are a sexual being. Your sexual energy is a gift and the energy of all biological creation. I think the problem is a lot of men never learned how to masturbate or what it is. Instead we just jerk off to porn, get a quick fix and off we go. This is a change in behaviour that is taking time for me. The problem that masturbation is bad it's that men don't know how to do it in a quality way. You can Orgasm without ejactulation. You just never learned how because we demonize sexuality in this culture, which is an illusion.

https://sites.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/teaching/paradox/chapters/Zeno/Zeno.html Interesting fodder for contemplating infinity, paradox, movement, perception etc

Ah, there it is. He’s not seeing what I’m pointing to. he might not be purposely gaslighting but he is. It’s like he’s meta gaslighting! we are just making jokes and he is projecting a cult mentality on me… and when I get offended he goes “ what do you mean? I meant no disrespect by implying you are a brainwashed cult member mindlessly defending your master. Clearly you must be deluded.” It’s more just annoying than anything. Also very interesting. I’m observing both my reactions and how this unfolds over time. It’s not a about Leo… but around the notion of Enlightenment in general having rules around humour. That was my point. Then, he starts calling you a cult member. Who would appreciate that? This isn’t so much personal for me… I find it interesting. I will learn from this.

I guess, this is a complete waste of time. Be the manta ray thought art, be the manta ray

Ahah, so many paradoxes

I personally think long sits are really powerful and look forward to doing more... but it's limited if you don't practice Qigong.

@BenG You meant disrespect or you wouldn't have said it. Finished.

Gaslight and be rude to people on the forum.. People are making joke and now turning it into something which it isn't. I am done talking to you if this is how you act. Be careful about how to insult, or criticize others and then you become what you are judging... which is basically you judging that Leo and others are being unconscious. Making a joke, that is based in the truth around sexuality and what Women want, Vs insulting everyones intelligence in the way you are... Get real. There is no rule book that an enlightened person can't make joke about sex ahah. Just be careful you don't end up making a fool by doing the exact same thing you are judging someone else of. When did anyone, anywhere say anyone had to defend anyone? Gaslighting is rude af.

DON"T just up the dose. It's less about the dose and more about you and the overall work you are doing. Clean up the diet, contemplate, get therapy, read books, meditate, trip... Be holistic and patient about this whole thing. And yes, if you are immature and abuse psychedelics you will get the shit knocked out of you for reality. So go slow, and be responsibly and a good model for others.

They are pretty different. The insights from nn are really interesting. I've had God Realizations through it. They are generally more light, fun and playful... (in my experience... Though can take all your impurity and show it directly to you which is interesting)... NN Dmt did more for showing me that reality isn't material or physical and it's my own mind. 5meo... It's totally different... Very personal, very emotional, for me anyway..."Thank you" "You are welcome" "This is it" "Hallelujah".. "Perfection Forever" "Friendship for ever" "Forgiveness forever" "Nothing to forgive" "Liberation" "Oh, this is me... of course... I can totally be perfectly okay for eternity... this is my right... why would I be just a human with all these emotional issues.... I am the colours, shapes and sounds themselves without any logic behind it..." Both can have variations. I still have years of contemplations and realizations ahead of me.

Start taking small bets. Make some content and see how it feels.

@Someone here Yes. You don't deserve something you are.... YOU ARE THIS. This is what God is. God is forgiveness, love, perfection and eternity. People are born into circumstances are have different survival needs, trauma, limitations. God isn't keeping score of your eternal right to absolute love and forgiveness. Only an ego thinks this way. Haven't you noticed that whether you are considered "Good" or "Bad" by society... the rain still makes you wet, you could still die a horrible death etc... Good people get raped. Good people get murdered, tortured etc... So, whether you are "Good" or "Bad" The universe isn't judging you. Food will still have flavour, you will still be able to breath etc no matter how bad you are. Now, your fellow human may put you in jail.. or maybe not. Some of the most powerful people in the world cause the most deaths etc and they never get punished by man. God Loves you and Hitler the same way. A selfish finite Ego can't grasp that though... and you will consider me evil. Whatever. See you in the afterlife my love. To the pig, the butcher is evil. To the restaurant he is a saint and to God all are his children, are are her, and it's all love.

Yeah, and make sure you don't have fun or a sense of humour.

This... I mean honestly, I am sure many people in the psychedelic space aren't But, many are.

What he said it true.... Beavis and Butthead wouldn't say something that wise.. and at least they are putting in the hours for pickup.