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@Julian gabriel I’ve experience love to be a total lack of bias, a total hands off and surrender instead of a controlling sort of thing. But, I need to contemplate the facets of love. Interesting post, something for me to contemplate on. This to me seems more like ego and attachment… wanting power and control over others. I wonder if this is a trap actually? The trap of confusing selfishness with God’s love. I also have these feelings if wanting to control others. I think this is sort of commons amongst humans because it seems to have more power over reality means getting what we want.

Last time I heard about Leo he was having all kinds of awakenings and thinking he was Alien God. I also notice no new videos. Wondering if he is okay?

@Julian gabriel I don’t know if I understand you. You say you have a deep desire to manipulate others? Can you explain how that relates to love? Can you define love?

I gave it a first listen recently and I didn’t super resonate with the guitar in the records. Lots of mistakes it sounded to me. I’ll give it another listen.

@Tahuti I laughed really hard at this! Sounds like a great day.

In my view, part of development is to find balance and develop understanding balance of certain dualities: backbone and openness. For example when we work and develop ourselves this’ll include developing our backbone and standing in our truth. Not letting the opinions of others push us around, etc Yet, it can also include being more sensitive to others, self reflecting, being more conscious of how our behaviour affects others, better communication skills, being less selfish and more community oriented, desiring the well being of others, etc These can both be developed at the same time and I think should be. Then you develop an intricate balance between the Kan and Li (to use Qigong terms) of communication and interaction with other. A tree is strong because it is resilient, shares, and acts in accordance with its ecological needs. Not because it is stiff, selfish, rigid, bigger than others etc.

Yeah, I am basically wanting to be treated with respect on the forum. The mechanisms and cognitive processes of how we deal with our emotions when interacting with people are rather complicated. To some degree suffering is self created and it’s something I work on everyday as I become more aware of how everything interconnects. At the same time, when communicating with people I am biased towards being treated in a manner I perceived as respectful. When someone is speaking down to me, hyper analyzing me, projecting on me, schooling me, correcting me, not listening to me, cherry picking aspects of my response, gas lighting me, acting superior to me, etc These are things I’d like to avoid. So, part of my process is to work on myself internally. Yes that’s all good and well. But, also I’m not going to be a doormat to jerks. So, I’ll ignore and/ stand up to these individuals when they act in this way. Someone like Razard has a lot to offer the forum. However, at this time given my last few interactions he will remain ignored. Also his refusal to approach this with humility, self reflection, and love suggest to me a much lower development level than he preaches. Which I hesitate to say out loud.

@integral Number one rule of the forum is don’t be a jerk. Need I say more? Also note the double standard here in your attitude. And if people can’t see that from his communication style, that’s another thing we can work out as a community. I’m willing to see different perspectives here. But, I’m also beginning to ignore people who are chronically acting in ways I find jerk like. Part of the reason I’m doing this is because I do act like a jerk on here too often. So, I’m no longer even going to engage or see these peoples posts as I go about purifying myself of my jerk.

@OBEler Yeah, it was probably best. Somehow he set himself up as an authority here. He seemed nice enough to me when I was going through a hard time. However, as a mod he was more than questionable at times. How things were handled with the dividing of forum was unfortunate too. I think Leo did the right thing.

@Zeroguy Idk, It’s definitely different.

@thepixelmonk added to ignore list. Anyway, just checking in! I know last time I read the thread one of the mods posted he was going through this mind opening. But, haven’t heard about it in few weeks.

Take note there are finer distinctions to be made over time and recontxtuslizations available to you as you explore self help and spirituality

@Manny I personally believe in balance and using each tool, technique, strategy and tactic appropriately to get the results you want in life. Some folks fall into the trap of spinning wheels consuming self help materials and never do the work. Some folks are caught up doing inner work when they should be balancing it with school, job, career and socializing. Some folks waste their lives working 80 hour weeks but never bear the fruits of deep inner work and spiritual development. However, inner work techniques, promote the very regulation he says people lack which is why they do them. Balanced and conscious approach is key. Realizing each of us are unique in our needs. That’s my view anyway. Everyone here will likely feel differently. People are at different developmental stages, different points in their lives, have different life experiences. This guys hasn’t deeply studied inner work by his own admission and is biased towards action. I don’t know what his upbringing has been like. I wouldn’t dismiss him, as I would add his perspective to my tapestry.

@Manny Kernals of truths in everyone. Also, it’s worth someone to listen to him if they aren’t taking action in life. Really inner work, meditation, breathwork, journaling contemplation, reading etc should be balanced with the work he talks about. This guy is good. But, I would still do inner work. Embrace paradox. Howver, 80 hours a week is extreme. Like, really there should be a divine balance. People will be attracted and resonate with different things. Different maps, values, desires, etc

@RyanK Yeah there is a paradox. Nothing exists and nothing ever happened. Yet, here we are. 5meo mind fucks. Reality is just consciousness. No universe.

Yeah, I’m not giving my authority to anyone, including Leo let alone some jerk on a forum. Which is what he tries to force you into doing through his communication style. Nope!

No. You are wrong. Finished with the this thread. You won’t convince me into seeing someone’s poor quality, bulling like behaviour as high conscious. As a Mod you should do better. This reply makes me puke in my soul. The thing is, he is along chronically wrong about things. Don’t confuse his ego and own personal clinging as him being great at deconstruction. He is full of double standards and gross biases and if you can’t see it that’s fine. If someone can’t communicate constructively and plays a game that he is ahead of me and I need to “follow him down a rabbit hole”… y’all make assumptions about me. I just don’t post my insights and every awakening all the time. I tend to wanna sit back and spend time observing in humility. Because I see the partiality and relativity in all my communications. I’ve had full non-dual experiences. Full deep awakenings and deconstructions of my reality. But, I also know that we are humans playing a human game and to deny that is also foolishness. Which people like Razard posting on a forum are participating in but then judge you as if they are awakened but, here his is playing ego games by engaging at all? What’s going on here? I don’t care how much you know is you communicate like a jerk. If you do that, then I know you aren’t intelligent. And I’m out.

It’s definitely not simply us wanting him to word things in the way we would want them. He tends to be rude, condescending, antigonizing, his replies feels like rants about how stupid you are and smart he is. It almost feels like it’s him embodying the really cocky Leo rants but, in my opinion his points aren’t as solidly laid out. Recently I felt when I spoke to him (though I wasn’t speaking very constructively perhaps as well) he said “see! There’s an example! People like you are so dumb, or self deceived that bla bla bla”… No one wants to be spoken to like that. So for now he is banned from my feed. He doesn’t seem very conscious. A conscious person isn’t a jerk constantly without the ability to apologize or try to get along with others.a conscious person reflects, works on themselves and may be willing to work in his communication style given the feedback people are providing. He may not be capable of this as his ego is inflated. Anyway, I don’t mean to harp on the guy. I don’t really know the best or most loving way to approach him. I sense he is smart and I’d like to talk with him about things. But, not with his current character as I perceive it. I’m currently going through a process of working on my own communications here on the forum. I am also beginning to let go of threads as soon as I see the people lack communication skills, self reflection, the ability to admit they are wrong, or that there are elements of truth in both peoples views, humility, a desire to discuss things and not prove or be right. Basically I am looking for threads and forum members who are capable of constructive healthy communication where the threads feel good and love based instead of Razards toxic ranting battle threads. I am holding myself to a higher standard. I am failing each week on the forum by itching the scratches of low quality egoic communication. I get upset with people, correct them as soon as I engage with them etc. I no longer want to behave this way. It’s toxic and low conscious.

@integral Now only that but he is combative and condescending. In my interpretation anyway. Anyway, I’m not the best communicator so… I’m working on it.

Alright Not going to speak to you on this thread. Take care guys! I’m setting a rule to not speak to jerks. Take note.

@r0ckyreed I think we are discussing modern materialistic science and you make good points.

@Breakingthewall At least, from OP's perspective perhaps, this is Truth's current back drop imagined for why it's the way it is and identifying the way it is. In some way all that is belief and... not real. So truth is simple an undifferentiated and simple Now. However, the human dream is very complex. So, ye

@Someone here Namaste

@Julian gabriel Well, Jesus didn’t have internet. We also live in a different time period. Leo gets plenty of social crucifixion online. I was just reading something by Howard Vernon how people will often judge a mystic for not being in the world or, something like you’ve shared here. A mystic will just laugh to himself because he knows what he has gone through to get where his is. what about all the great mystics and spiritual leaders? Are they cowards to because no one decided to murder them in a cruel and unusual way?

@Someone here Nice, I wonder if I could add too it’s like science is a hand trying to grasp itself. Science is a finite dream within consciousness that avoids self reference and the idea that their consciousness is actually and absolute dream, imaging all causality, time physics etc. So it’s trying to understand the absolute through finite means which is impossible.