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@puporing The Myth of Jesus the Christ, isn't something I take literally. I am using the term, only as one of many terms I can use to describe the experience. Ken Wilber uses the term like this: ChatGPT Ken Wilber, a prominent philosopher known for his Integral Theory, approaches the concept of Christ Consciousness as part of a broader spiritual and developmental journey, moving beyond just religious interpretation into a more universal and inclusive understanding. Here’s a breakdown of how he explains it: Transpersonal Development Stage: Wilber places Christ Consciousness within the transpersonal stages of human development, where consciousness expands beyond personal ego to embrace universal love, compassion, and a deep awareness of interconnectedness. In his model, this aligns with "higher" stages like the Subtle, Causal, and Nondual levels, where one perceives the world as unified and interwoven with divine energy. Archetype of Compassion and Love: Wilber often describes Christ Consciousness as embodying archetypal qualities of love, compassion, and forgiveness. He suggests that Jesus’ message represents a higher consciousness that transcends individual ego, advocating for a life led by selfless love and unity with all beings. This consciousness is not exclusive to Christianity but is seen across spiritual traditions that aim for unity with the Divine. Nondual Awareness: Christ Consciousness, according to Wilber, aligns with a Nondual experience, where the boundaries between self and other dissolve. It’s a state of oneness or unity where one realizes they are not separate from the Divine or the universe. This parallels the mystical experiences described by saints, sages, and mystics who perceive God or the Divine within themselves and within all things. Integral Spirituality: Wilber’s approach encourages moving beyond traditional religious dogma to embrace a broader spirituality, where Christ Consciousness becomes a universal principle rather than a religious figure. In Integral Spirituality, he explains that this consciousness is attainable by anyone who advances through higher levels of awareness, regardless of their specific religious beliefs. In essence, for Wilber, Christ Consciousness is a transcendent state of being rooted in love, compassion, and unity—a state achievable through personal spiritual evolution. It represents a shift from a self-centered life to one of universal empathy and a sense of shared divinity with all.

@Spiritual Warfare Keep trolling and I will apply warning points.

Well, this is why doing philosophy and learning to think for ourselves is so hard, yet so potentially valuable.

You have a model of mythic literalism that I don’t ascribe to. When I refer to Christ Consciousness I am referring to an awakening into love, forgiveness and unity.

I just experienced my first white Jesus. Take care guys, happy working on your spiritual intelligences! Enjoy the ride 🥹.

Leo’s video on the social matrix just shows in part how deep everything we CAN think, is part of a social matrix. We aren’t as original as we’d like to think.

My experiences of Christ consciousness led me to being a Qigong/ meditation/ breathwork teacher. I am aware though that I constructed my life purpose. It was really a combination of many factors. @Davino So why use that language if it was very different? If you had had the experience without the religion? Do you think when Jesus had those experience he also was like “man, I just experienced Jesus”

@Keryo Koffa Keep this up man… your trolling is getting old.

The irony of this thread is we all come to it with mental constructs! Then, we wonder why we see it differently. What is that true true before all the construct? Ironically, could it be Christ?

Had you heard of Jesus before you experienced him? Right, you did… so not saying much. Christ consciousness however is universal to all. Being a Christ, realizing Christ is not unique to Jesus.

At the end of the day all experience is your own mind just dreaming. You are Jesus. Waky waky… I still feel my awakening, epistemology, metaphysical understanding, and philosophical depth is lacking to true grasp and handle all the nuances, paradoxes, and complexities of these conversations.

@Salvijus Well, I try to be humble. But, at the same time… white Jesus is a social construct. If you don’t see that.. idk. Literally everything written about him and past down by him by definition at not him. Even the interpretation of him being the son of God is not agreed upon by all Christian’s. Muslim’s recognize him as a prophet but not this magical being. The systems of Christianity are a construct.

@Salvijus If those disembodied beings look exactly like the socially constructed versions, it’s room for extreme skepticism. They may be authentic spiritual experiences, but they likely aren’t disembodied beings. We don’t know what Buddha looked like, what Jesus looked like. How can you be certain they aren’t projections? At the end of the day… people caught up in these types of experiences only do so because they are caught up in religion to begin with. In my view, all things in the dream are constructs within non-dual reality. People having experiences that suit constructive narratives is very odd. Why would a white Jesus come to be when he likely wasn’t white? I think most people, the vast majority have not experienced these things. People have different kinds of mind.

@Salvijus I’m no expert on that. Never experienced it. If they experience a white long haired Jesus again that’s due to social construction. Jesus wasn’t even white if he existed at all. I think it’s common for people at magical/ mythical literal stages to experience say, the Buddha, or Krishna, or Jesus. Again, those are all constructs.

@Salvijus They only ascribe it to Jesus because they were first indoctrinated. Christ, or love is not something unique to Jesus but universal. People just filter this through the only lens society gave them. I kindly think you underestimate how deeply rooted social constructs are in human society and the human psyche.

@Salvijus Again, you are/ or someone that argues that is already indoctrinated. No one comes to that without first the social construct. Same thing with science, yoga, Toaist philosophy, etc. No people deep in the middle of the jungle who never learned about Jesus wakes up one day and says “by God, the presence of Jesus is with me”. These types of fantasies exist at stage amber/ blue. Mythic literal thinking and magic thinking.

@Salvijus If you hadn’t learned about Jesus, you wouldn’t describe your experiences through the lens of Jesus. If you had been born a Muslim, Sikh, or Buddhist you’d have different filters through which you explain, or create backstory for the experiences you have. If Jesus is useful for you, or you have personal relationship with Jesus more to you. I don’t think Jesus is a living presence. If that is something you ascribe to, I can respect that. Just because there is presents under the tree doesn’t mean it was really Santa. Jesus doesn’t exist for the vast majority of living organisms on earth. Jesus doesn’t exist to a dog or a donkey. For the vast majority of people, they imagine Jesus but don’t know God, have never experience Oneness… they have so much contextual baggage between them and what is so obvious. Jesus likely gets in the way of authentic direct experiences of Love, Oneness and Unity.

@Salvijus Can you clarify?

No. You are present right now. It’s your most fundamental experience. Your consciousness is the epistemic priori. Contemplate the difference between social constructs/ systems/ models and things that are fundamental.

Powerful speech

It is however a social construct.

True

@Keryo Koffa Stop trolling around.

You wouldn’t know what Jesus is if you weren’t taught it. You have never had an experience of Jesus. It’s so obvious a social construct…. Santa Claus is as real, as Jesus. If you can’t admit that… are you even serious about this work we do?

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