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@Ulax Thanks for contributing those ideas. I think they are valuable to this thread and the forum. Yea, Leo recommended it to me yesterday. I’m gonna order it in November.

@Tyler Robinson Interesting. Was it that he talked about ethnocentrism at all that a left person wouldn’t do? Or, was there a certain thing he said about ethnocentrism?

@Tyler Robinson what has that to do with actualized.org? It’s right wing how?

@Girzo I value human life. Im not exactly sure what we are arguing about anyway. I value human life a lot. I think that people should be paid fair wages and be respected. But, I also think owners of companies may deserve earn substantially more than those who they employ. It should be fair. But fair is up for debate. You don’t need to earn as much as a CEO to be well off anyway. So what if a CEO makes more than you? I respect your views. Not sure how to proceed. Being a cook, or a dish washer, or a janitor are all hard jobs. As is being a cashier, etc All are crucial for businesses to survive. But, I think the owner who built the business, took on large amounts of financial risks, creates jobs, feeds people, etc deserves to earn the value they created which is a lot. I don’t think everyone deserves an equal slice of the pie. Can you see my perspective at all? I’m interested in learning more about yours.

Hmm, is this really something you wanna say and think you’ll stand by over time?

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@Girzo Have you considered that organizations require people to do certain processes, for example being a janitor, HR person, driver, Accounts receivable administrator etc… That without a CEO, founder or management over looking all the processes, goals, vision, regulations etc that the janitor, HR person etc wouldn’t have a job or stable income? All the workers are valuable and deserve a fair wage. However, a CEO isn’t exactly like an employee… Without these CEO’s and managers these workers wouldn’t have jobs at all. Ive read stories of CEO’s saving failing companies and their leadership earning companies millions of dollars, rescuing the work culture and contributing to the well being of the world. Yes, janitors are very important and business can’t function without them. But, they simply don’t provide anywhere near as much value as an amazing CEO. If a janitor quits and is replaced it’s not likely the company will change much at all. But, if a CEO leaves a company… it could result in the entire company failing and thousands or hundreds of thousands of workers losing their jobs, etc I wonder, have you read much about Bezos and how he made Amazon what it is today? All the challenges he overcame, the difficulties, the problem solving, all the naysayers and calamity howlers he had to deal with? He had to put his own money and life on the line to build Amazon. He serves millions of people everyday is a powerful way with his vision. Yes, that vision is realized with the hands of many. He can treat his employees better. But. The average person can provide even a smidge of the value Bezos has provided in the world.

@BipolarGrowth I think that’s a great point as well. I think what you’ve explained there is a major part of a lot of the conflicts on the forum as well. People don’t always understand what we mean by our words as we all have our own filters. Spiritual discussion is really tough. I wonder how we can promote that patience, and Socratic humility with these discussions?

I've never seen it, but maybe I will one day. I rarely watch shows now days. I personally loved Breaking Bad, Dexter, early Game of Thrones... I'd like to check out the Sapranos and The Wire.

@puporing Even the word guidance feels a bit strong for what I want to point to. Just, being like... You know if you put food dye on milk and then add a little soap?

I like this. Somehow, this reminds me of what a coach does. Guides, ideally open endedly for people to make their own self discoveries. At least, this is a part of coaching.

I added some book recommendations. This thread should bleed over and carry into your life in general.

@Danioover9000 I think that body language guy has his own biases as well. I need another expert to analyze him. Someone tell me how to think please... I think part of what the guy doesn't get is... These two boys loved Michael. They made love with Michael for years and enjoyed their time with him. (They admit this in their testimony) He wasn't violently raping them. These boys feel very confused about this experience. It has left a lot of shame and trauma with them. They likely feel a lot of amibiguity about what took place. I don't think these boys are lying. Personally I see to people telling the truth, on network telivision in front of a lot of people. They wanted to protect Michael for a long time. Now they tell their stories. They loved Michael, and probably still do to a degree.

@Jake Chambers No. He literally had multiple trials, and accusations from many children and families. He admitted to sleeping in the same bed/ bedroom as many young boys. There are many boys who have spoken out in detail of their love affairs with him while they were young children. Rational Wiki and Adeptus is a different ball game entirely. I can't make you see that distinction if you can't already. @Leo Gura Can't see video Anyway, this thread has been derailed.

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It doesn't matter if she is a virgin at all. Joke - What you gonna do bang them and dump them? hehehe

This song is the sauce

Robert is the sauce, love his books “Laws of Human Nature” so important for overcoming shadow and his book “mastery” was really good… also “Laws if Seduction” is a fun read a great way to dive in is his newest book “Daily Laws”

Good insights. Thanks for sharing.

let’s remember to be respect and not let the thread turn into personal pettiness

@Danioover9000 but don’t you think it’s a little strange a grown man would share his bed with kids that weren’t his? I don’t hate Michael, and I think his music is great. But, I also think he was a pedo. Unfortunately, some people are pedophiles. Even those we may love.

@John Iverson Yeah, open a bank account. Also, make sure you know where to get your pay stubs and review them each pay period. Consider creating an excel worksheet to record all your income and the source you get it from. It’s nice to have all that data in once place. Then, take care and pride in this excel workbook as you expand it to understand more and more about yourself financially. Things to consider: 1. Start saving 10% of everything you earn. DO NOT SPEND IT. Use it to earn you more money. 2. Consider living off of only 70% of what you earn. 3. The remaining 20% should be saved or used for paying off debt if you decide it’s worth taking it on. This 20% should be included in your decision making to take on debt. 3. Try to avoid taking on debt. If you use a credit card only spend money you KNOW you can pay off each month. - Note: by knowing what your fixed Monthly expenses are each month you can easily calculate how much you put on the credit card. Try only using cash and debit for variable expenses. Each month you want to be worth more than the month before. Each month you have more money than the one before. You are growing and taking pride in your fat coin purse. Book recommendation: The Richest Man in Babylon.

@Danioover9000 I don’t hate him. But I’m 99.9% sure he was a child molester. That’s my interpretation of it. What Normal grown man has sleepover and spends all that time with young boys who aren’t his own kids at his private ranch without the company of their parents? Plus, I watched interviews with him, and the kids etc. That’s probably part of why he was in chronic pain all the time. The most famous man alive: with a big secret.

@Danioover9000 Why give authority this these “experts” and not the children who say he did it. I think he really loved kids, and molested many of them as he abused his power.

@Girzo I think you under estimate the value of leadership, vision, and CEO level intelligence and skills.