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Please refer to the forum Guidelines: Not Allowed Recruiting members to start local meetup groups in your city Locking thread. Try to find people in your social circle or some other avenue to do pick up with.

@Sincerity Yeah, MDMA can make ya a little emotional ahaha I personally have only tried low Doses and haven’t had any profound experiences… just a bit of being too emotionally reactive.

@johnnygotvision Just relax. No one is deceiving you in some malicious or bad way. Reality is a complicated thing to explain and can seem scary when explained as “God deceiving itself”. Basically, focus on the fundamentals of getting your footing on spirituality and personal development. How are you feeling today?

@Matt23 There is a lot more needed than just tripping to really grow. People need to read, journal, get life experience, etc. There’s the 4 quadrant model from Ken Wilber: 1. waking up 2. Growing up 3. Cleaning up 4. showing up Dont want to go into more detail. Tripping along with everything else I am doing is growing me for sure. Shrooms eradicated my depression by more than 80% in a single trip but I also do a lot to take responsibility, action, and develop self efficacy in my life.

I have occasioned DMT from a pipe with a little weed in the bottom while with wise musicians by a sacred river as the digerydo did bowlllll

*six months after this post half the forum has large amounts of large gauge facial piercings*

@Leo Gura It’s working with the mind body connection and bio energy. Just had Chinese roots, language and epistemology. Big part of my work is linking my understanding of western and Chinese science.

@Leo Gura isn’t it like physical exercises and breathing and stuff? I’m relistening to your description of the book. It’s essentially Qigong. Your definition of Qigong is just limited. He just isn’t teaching “Chinese medicine” but it’s still “Qigong”. Qi- Life force Energy Gong - to be skillful with Nick Loffree is Qigong teacher… his brand is Bio Energetic Health. There are over 3000 types of Qigong. Reichian therapy sounds to be one of them.

@Leo Gura Wouldn’t risk it

@Federico del pueblo talk about getting mind fucked

Yeah, honestly if you are gonna do it the bigger the better.

It’s Qigong basically from what I have seen.

@StarStruck True. Start now.

@Leo Gura No

The better example we can all set, and the more consciousness, heart and love you put into the forum the better it will become.

@StarStruck Even older people can make great gain with Holden Qigong

@LastThursday Yeah Baby! That’s what I teach my students

@Federico del pueblo From what I am researching it is many things all at once. You have to look at how stress and trauma works throughout the whole body. By beginning to develop a theoretical and experiential understanding you can make great growth in your health, consciousness and spiritual development. 1. Our mind and body are connected. Stress and trauma is held in the organs, tissues and nervous system. 2. In Chinese medicine and the Tao each organ plays a role in different types of emotions. The brain isn’t just in the skull but in the gut and body as well. It is worth while studying the 5 Elements, meridians, Qi theory, and the three treasures. There is increasing body of western science confirming this ancient understanding of the organs. 3. We tend to tense up our bodies when we are stressed. We numb ourselves and avoid feeling emotional discomfort. We store up this negative energy in our tissues and energy centres. By doing exercises like body scan, and various types of Qigong and self massage you can begin to purge these toxic emotions. You can than cultivate healthy Qi, or life force energy, store in your Qi vessels, and circulate it through the body. When you purge these negative emotions and begin to charge up your bodies Qi battery you can begin to feel extreme juicy pleasure throughout the body. I have confirmed this through my practice. It feels incredible. Emotions are physiological. Not just held in the brain but happening with the whole body. 4. I also recommend you study Polyvagal theory. Many negative emotional patterns need to be dealt with a “Top Down” approach by changing our state of consciousness through tripping, doing talk therapy, journaling, and rational emotive behavioural therapy type work. Then, we must also do “bottom up” by doing things like Qigong, ecstatic dance, body scan, Tao Yin, Krya yoga, etc… work that helps us purge stress, regulate the energy body and nervous system. When we combine both bottom up and top down approaches we can develop greater emotional stability and inner juiciness.

@mr_engineer That’s none sense. There’s nothing about a forum being free that says “anything goes”. It’s a private piece of online real estate, it has guidelines, and a function. If people can’t follow the guidelines and maintain a relative degree of integrity they shouldn’t be here in my opinion.

@mr_engineer It’s like we are in a university class and you are like “Tottlers should be allowed here! And screaming babies! And the homeless! They need education too!” There are people here who chronically get swept up in needless drama and foolishness. There’s no point in them being here. In order for the forum to function and to be of value to anyone… we can’t have screaming, running kids making a mess of everything. It’s fine to lack some maturity… but to be blatantly obnoxious, toxic, abusive, disrespectful, constantly in trauma and spreading your sickness around… not here. The forum actually has guidelines. Leo has been very lax in enforcement.

I suppose absolute truth runs through everything. But no, if I don't agree with you I will simply disagree. Be wary of spreading foolishness disguised as wisdom. A big part of developing wisdom is a keen discernment. Do you see me as an actual person you are talking to?

@Leo Gura Well, my ears were stretched in high school, does that count?

@tuku747 Can you notice how words are pointers? Yeah, videos, books, etc are useful and important for humans to learn. But, you will not realize God at the level of symbols. There are many techniques talked about here which help us go beyond words. “The Tao the can be spoken is not the real Tao” - Lao Tzu Words can be really powerful don’t get me wrong. But, don’t turn words into your God. You would be making a large error.

@tuku747 Your opening post talks about enlightenment and God realization. I am trying to understand you better.

I am am not sure what you are talking about. Words, thinking, mantras, intentions, or intellectually collapsing dualities, even sober mediation will not likely create deep states of God Realization. There’s so much going on here. What resources are you studying? please do not ignore this question.