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@Javfly33 1. We don't generally go for calling people stupid here.... Change your tone before I issue warning points. (though I appreciate your conversation. ) and 2. Study the history of these schools. What I am doing has been done for thousands of years. These systems constantly grow and change. I am actually studying and practicing these skills everyday not just sitting here talking about them. That is the difference between our approach. You have your opinion, I am out practicing. I am not creating a technique, I am studying, practicing. Perhaps in 10-20 years I'll have a unique system. Pranayama, Qigong and meditation... they are all symbiotic. I am seeing really nice results with my energy. Qigong is really great for overall balancing and it's far more practical for applied usage than Pranayama so far. Though, I think Pranayama is great, fantastic addition to a solid Qigong practice. They are both just different ways of working with energy. It's the same energy at the end of the day whether you call it Prana or Qi. For now I am saying, at the very least that the truth is historically these systems were varied, the techniques were handed around, changed, modified, integrated, seperated, changed, etc. Especially in the history of Qigong. Knowing this history, and with my integral and holistic view I see the potential for integration of systems. What I am suggesting is not that I know it all. But, being a student of integral metatheory, and it's implications. That, an integral somatic/ energetic practice is powerful. There are many teachers who already teach Qigong and Pranayama and many schools of Qigong who are creating unique takes on YoQi which is a combination. It's already happening. This evolution of these practices has been happening for thousands of years and only continues through the work of people like me. I am a certified Qigong teacher who has over a thousand of followers on Youtube. But I am humble and a student. I don't teach Pranayama, and I only teacher certain aspects of Qigong. I am for sure a student, and humble and know little compared to the grand scheme. But, I have a holistic orientation. --- Note: Perhaps we have gone off on a tangent. I think a useful and interesting one but perhaps it needs it's own thread going forward.

Are you actually interested in reaching the highest levels of spiritual and personal development? I am becoming a master Qigong teacher and musician. I focus on my own development and purpose. I am aligning my life with my Dharma.

Realistically, it doesn’t work like this in practice. It’s your body and it’s a holistic system. The titles attached to the techniques or their schools of origin being separate is a mental construct. You could take All these yoga techniques and Qigong techniques, and combine them into a holistic psycho-somatic energetic practice and it will help you develop yourself very deeply. In the age of information this is possible. These systems weave and compliment each other. I mainly combine right now meditation, pranayama and Qigong. Though, plan to study the others in more depth once I gain more mastery of these. Though, Qigong is my main practice. If I wanted I could call all these yogic breathing techniques forms of Qigong. But, that loses the cultural relevance. But, in truth it’s all just Qigong. Qigong mean being skilled with your life force energy. Each breathing technique, yoga sequence, Qigong technique etc are all part of the toolkit for working with the life force energy. Please note I am a student of Integral Metatheory. The Idea of creating an integral, holistic practice. Not, picking a pet school.

@QandC I am not sure. His anger was his claim to fame no? I think Jordan Peterson’s Anger, neurotic behaviour, and where he is immature is ironically what makes him so popular. It sort of backwards. He is an intelligent, charismatic and hard working person with good intentions. But his anger, corruption, ignorance and double standards are very problematic. But, as is the minds of 95% of his core audience and why he is successful. I need to remember not to confuse success with development, wisdom, maturity, integrity, truth, etc.

Interesting perspective.

Weird my response disappeared. I basically said that learning online is a viable option for many forms of Yoga: Kundalini, Tantra, Pranayama, Hathaway. And for many forms of Qigong and meditation. In person can be great as well. My intro to Kyra was videos Sadhguru had on YouTube. @Panteranegra Thank you!

@Javfly33 Good points. I do think that video makes things way easier than with a book. Books are such a slow and uncertain way compared to video. I admit, I have only done a little bit of Krya from books on Leo's book list. And, ironically to your post I have done some Krya from Sadghuru's videos on youtube. But, I have found Kundalini Yoga and Pranayama to be very powerful, essentially psychedelic experiences. They also do a lot of good for the energy. I learn these online. Though, my introduction to Kundalini Yoga was in person. I can't comment fully to Yoga being the ultimate device to awakening because, I just find that epistemically slippery. I pull from Qigong, Yoga, Shamanic practices, psychedelics, etc. I am not really that interested in one path only. I do think that in person instruction is very valuable, maybe even more so at times. But, that being said I think plenty of people learn Yoga of various forms, Qigong of various forms, Breathwork of various forms, meditation of various forms with their phone, you tube, online courses. In person is valuable as well. But, there is pros and cons to each medium.

@Javfly33 I take courses online is a great way to learn. Depends on technique you are learning.

@Panteranegra What videos did you use?

My musical abilities grow.

Noted.

@Leo Gura Yeah, but the guys needs to take a first step. These numbers can offer him more local resources.

I would start with small steps like calling 988 or whatever number is relevant in your area. Get the help you need.

Part of the problem we face when we feel down is our mind creates imaginary obstacles. You can use apps like better help or others, you can look into free group therapy sessions. You can do things at the same time. Find some kind of low stress job, while doing therapy a couple times a week. You would be amazed simply how much YOU deciding to take proactive steps for your situation is healing. Like: 1. Making a plan 2. Finding therapy groups or affordable therapy 3. Putting debt Into a debt repayment calculator 4. Doing some compassionate journaling 5. Getting enough sleep regularly, eating well, self compassion, Studies show that simply deciding and booking a therapy session is healing. You can find cheap or free ones to start. You can even use ChatGPT or similar. Debt can be really stressful, but it’s something that can feel a lot better when you face it with a plan and accept its reality. Give it time. Make small consistent efforts.

@Tristan12 I found psychedelics helped as part of a larger system. Therapy, Qigong, journaling, self help books, environment, audiobooks, relationships, job changes, etc

@integral You are given this chance to create something.

@Tristan12 I fell into the trap of thinking psychedelics would heal me years ago. But, they don't. They can show you glimpses of peace, wellbeing, trust, etc which can act as guideposts. There is not magic pill here. We need to focus on holistic solutions, systems, and slow painful progress over years and decades of work. That being said, you can start seeing results sooner than later. This is going to take the right set of tools. Don't rely on these substances alone. You got this. Take a long term approach.

Just survived a little ego backlash. I move to often to have such a large phsyical book Library. I am switching to a Kobo Sage.

Ive been burned by these things. I’d be careful. Do you have 10k to potentially lose? It can be worth researching other companies, courses, offerings, reaching out to their students, etc. I’m now very wary of these types of courses. Not that the information or coaching is bad, but the marketing to get you in the door. I don’t know you, the program or your industry/ target market. Watch Leo’s video on how to not get scammed and screwed. Have you had any paying clients at all before?

Honestly, I’m dealing with some black pill stuff atm.

@Jowblob Interesting. I find breathwork to be pretty powerful though, so I am not sure yet. There are a lot of techqniues out there.

Do it all

Does it really? Or, are you referring to the entire 8 branches of Yoga. Does yoga make you face hard truths? What about Yoga is making you walk the talk that extremely difficult psychedelic trip doesn't also? Both tools and techniques can be extremely challenging. How, does Yoga make someone "walk their talk?".

I actually bet that is false. Do some yoga, or meditate and feel the effects. Then, go to work or speak to your parents, or whatever. I guarantee your state will change and this idea they are permanent is a fantasy. Really, though... It's a development of a system of spiritual techniques and maturity that creates change.