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@Someone here Sure, maybe it’s possible to be that “Awake”. But, don’t bet on it alone. Instead master living well. There are example of ordinary people who embrace their suffering and die well. I really don’t think that is a measurement for awakening as is discussed by Leo, or Actualized. There is a far bigger fish to fry: God.

If you talk about enlightenment ending suffering but don’t: 1. Eat well 2. Sleep well 3. Breath well 4. Move well 5. Money well 6. Think well 7. Behave well 8. Trip well etc, you will suffer Waking up, is only a single line of development and there are others that matter. A well balanced life is the best antidote to suffering. Be well educated, take care of your mind, body and financials. If you want to end suffering, do as the Buddha says in the sense he says to study it objectively and develop a deep understanding of its root causes.The reality is to end suffering enlightenment is not the sole solution. Non-attachment is quality of a developed mind. But, even then… an enlightened mind could, objectively observe his suffering. Be with it, and in that way heal from it while others would not. Again, all this is very slippery. Biddhism teachers the principles of right action, right thinking, right eating, etc because an enlightened person realizes if they don’t align themselves with the principles of living well they will suffer.

Identify with whatever you want if I put a nail through your hand and no medical attention you will suffer. Even if you “don’t identify” with it. However, yes you can learn to feel very good with Toasist inner alchemy, books, self esteem, mastery of life and you mind body in general. Awakening and seeing it’s a dream helps. I just think saying enlightenment fixes everything is false. It does, and then and doesn’t.

@LSD-Rumi No. Focus on grounding yourself. You are making a fool of yourself. I saw your comments from today.

@Someone here The ending of suffering isn’t the only goal or point of enlightenment. That’s a partial, limited framing probably resulted from a thin study of Buddhism. Being more conscious, having awakenings, etc will, if done properly lower suffering, generally. But it’s not the only goal. Literally everyone is capable of suffering. Though, enlightened people likely suffer less. The goal of enlightenment is to know yourself as God. But, that being said the word enlightenment is used by different schools and can point to different things. Osho suffered, Leo suffers, jesus suffered in the cross… In my development I do work to limit suffering, and maximize feeling good. My awakenings generally feel very good. There is no suffering when very awake. But, it’s only part of the game. Awakening leads to truth. But, if an awakened one has cancer he will likely suffer.

@Someone here I don’t always suffer But, there is suffering in life even for the enlightened

Won’t stop suffering. You need to balance awakening with health, mental health, common sense, developing you self esteem and cognitive behaviour. If you break your hand it will hurt… starving hurts… shitty jobs hurt. You can develop yourself through all this l, but it’s not like an on and off switch

@Ulax It’s a technique called noting. An important skill.

I’ll allow it. I’m struggling with “meditation proper” just from my readings of the history of Qigong and meditation. The core and foundation is that raw observing and brute sitting and observing. But, there is more… read Opening the Dragon Gate: The Making of a Modern Taoist Wizard. It’s about 3 Taoist wizards handing in their internal achievements to a young man. Very inspiring for those spiritually serious. The 3 wizards are named by their achievements: 1. The wizard of infinity 2. The wizard of the void 3. The wizard of infinity bliss Very cool story.

Limited There are many types of meditation. Don't want to get into it here. Want to love yourself more? Just sitting there doing nothing meditation wont cultivate your inner juiciness. But, I agree what Leo says is the foundation.. But, who knows what you will discover? I sense this is Leo's Zen foundation. Where, I come from different meditation background. Also, I find myself in a place of ambiquity. Example, Inner Smile Meditation is really important if you want to learn to feel happy for no reason.

I remember reading Leo or someone did this. Am I correct? What was the experience?

Consciousness

I’ve seen him enough already Jk

@Something Funny On Trip days, I will usually do Qigong, meditate, trip.. and then after the trip do more Qigong. This way I am just totally feeling peaceful, safe strong, etc Qigong is one of the manual practices that should be done at least 5 minutes a day. Ideally 15-30 minutes.

Don't get too skeptical

Those comments

@LSD-Rumi Do you feel like I can close the thread?

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@Something Funny Because when you eat well, sleep well, know and embody the success principles and practice Qigong you wont need a crutch. You can then use psychedelics to push you higher and higher to self actualize.

I love pot. I just want to use it very sparingly.

Well, thats a reasonable concern. Have you tried Qigong? Have you read "Success Principles by Joseph Campbell? Do you sleep well? Eat well?

I am pretty spiritually oriented. But, I can also be an asshole and I apologize for that. It's also important to realize that, being spiritually developed doesn't always mean you are kind, or thoughtful to everyone and at all times. Spiritual people make mistakes, can be blunt, disagreeable, unfriendly at times. Also, it's hard to know one another on the forum. People can put on fronts, etc

You are sober 98% of the time right? Doing a trip can be very helpful and insightful. Personally, I have noticed (and research backs this up) after a mushroom trip you can feel better for like 3 months.

@GLORY find out for yourself