Thought Art

@TwentyfirstPlease come towards conversations here from a place of relative respect, or don’t come here. I don’t wanna read your nasty posts, about how you have the right opinion and everyone else is an idiot. That you and Leo are the two smartest people here. Which, I find funny because as one of Leo’s students the things you say show me how little you actually are familiar with Leo’s work. For one, you come off extremely ignorant, selfish, rude, entitled and arrogant. Calling everyone here a retard is rude and unnecessary. Not just your recent reply to me but your behaviour throughout this thread over the previous days. (also my last verbal warning for that kind a behaviour). Politics and war are complicated when trying to understand the hyper complex reality of the wants, needs, perspectives, biases, histories, etc of all the parties involved. I’m not more biased towards Israel or Palestine. I can try to understand why the actors are doing what they’re doing on both sides as I try to understand every perspective or possible interprétion. See, I practice what is called epistemic humility which Leo teaches. I try to be patient, loving, unbiased, not knowing, curious, open minded, patient, truth seeking in these situations. You on the other hand JUST KNOW, what is right. JUST KNOW, everyone’s a retard. Give me a fucking break. Why did Hamas murder, rape and kidnap 1400 civilians? Why did the Palestinian Government praise Hamas for this action? Is Israel’s response correct or not? Who am I to decide this? Why would Israel react as intensely as it is doing to destroy Hamas? What is the reality of actions needed if is Israel is too see that through? What is the history of this part of the world? Of this conflict? Why has the conflict gone on so long? Why can’t there be peace? What is the global consequences of this? How will all this pain, trauma and conflict ripple out through the generations? What news reports are true? What are false? What is a valid opinion, view, interpretation, perspective? Is it really a genocide? Or is Israel genuinely trying to destroy Hamas but there are many who will be hurt because of the reality of how Gaza is laid out and how Hamas operates? What are Israel’s intentions? Which is true? What is right here? What is wrong here? What are my biases and how could they be affecting my interpretation of this situation? There are many questions to ask here… many I haven’t due to my limited understanding and my unconscious biases. Leo does not teach being a self centred arrogant asshole towards others, being close minded, only seeing the world from your survival bias. He teaches NONE of that. Though, you act on this way here on a regular basis. If anyone acts retarded here it’s you. Your biases are made clear in your post. Thanks for sharing them. Start acting better around here. I also get the sense this conflict is very hard for you. If that’s the case I’m sorry you are suffering. But, don’t take it out on us here. This “treat others as you’d be treated” I agree is a very high ideal. One I see you struggle with. It’s beautiful when you can do that in a part of the world. But, at the same sometimes you need to go to war. Krishna explains it well in The Bhagavad Gita. So, in reality these morals you have again may just be your biases. I personally find it a great great shame when so many innocent die and suffer. It’s very sad and challenging. I would prefer world peace. But, as of right now there is conflict on earth.

But that’s so partial. It’s like saying night is unnecessary because it been sunny for 7 hours.

Jet!!

@PurpleTree Does that mean it’s not natural? Hasn’t there been war there in the past? Over the past 75 years hasn’t the world as a whole had wars in its various parts? Does natural mean pleasant? Is stinging ivy not natural because I having not been stung in 75 years and I’m not missing it? How do you think Western Europe was formed as it was those 75 years if not through war, conflict and its resolution? World War 2? You could say it’s not necessary because well, much of the world isn’t at war. But, at the same time the whole world deals with conflicts allllllll the time. Basically what survival is.

@Jehovah increases lol yer gonna find a lot more than just nihilism. You may just discover infinite love… shhh

I sense this is a highly complicated problem where there is no easy solution. It’s painful and confusing. I am not picking a side. But, looking to understand the perspectives of all actors. I live next to a common protest area. I can hear “free Palestine” chants. I want to understand. There is so much noise it’s hard to know what’s accurate. I don’t deeply understand this conflicts history. I don’t know the reality of destroying Hamas, which is the one thing I can understand doing after what they did to Israel. I think killing innocent civilians is wrong. I am biased towards peace and harmony. But, I realize war is a natural part of reality and a necessity. I really don’t know much about this so… please understand that I am learning.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67433963 Good example of a lack of integrity.

@Bandman it’s not trolling. But likely arm chair spirituality

@Clarence I’m mainly saying to be careful. You’re probably more mature than many in a lot of ways. It’s relative.

I’d save my daughter, that’s obvious.

I dont know

@Clarence All I see are words really. Not you at all. But, I’ve read your post and those posts were immature and neurotic. Do you man. Now, not entirely so don’t get me wrong. Just be careful.

@ivankiss I’m not denying consciousness. But the dream is what your experiences which is full of those dualities which I think paradoxically should be noted in discussion of nonduality.

Those are just thoughts. sober vs drunk is a duality. clarity vs lack of clarity is a duality. Your so full of it. Only dualities that serve my pious non-dual dogma are real.

@ivankiss Part of nonduality is duality. It’s like I see a cars driving by. you say “Nothing is there” and get hit by the cars and suffering imaginable pain. I just use the cross walk. Sure, reality is consciousness but in this dream there is dualities. There is a way of being. I can’t help but feel that when you’re sitting on your computer typing this stuff you feel a pious excitement. But, in reality you don’t live like there is no humans, no reality. Playing a video game “it’s just pixels man, it’s just pixels” “Yeah I know but if your playing the game there’s like, stuff you can do you know?” This conversation likely won’t go anywhere. No longer replying.

@Clarence It was pretty recent though. Which suggests an immaturity. An immaturity that I doubt is cleared up. I sincerely hope you tread carefully. Please be very careful. Take breaks and go slow. You are over consuming Leo’s work and may benefit by taking a break and contemplating more. When I read a post like this thread it just reeks of immaturity and imbalance. That’s my opinion. Please be careful.

@ivankiss Dualities exist!

True

@lostingenosmaze One was a blog post, and the part where he almost killed himself he said it in his poetic realization of God video

This forum is immature

@ivankiss Okay, 1. I agree that good and bad is relative and doesn’t truly exist, except to the extent that you are biased 2. Sure, I can agree that everything is consciousness, and our labels thoughts and ideas are not “actuality”. Though they also sneakily are “actuality”. I don’t understand what you’re saying about emotions though. What do you mean a feeling is always one? A thought Is always one?