Thought Art

@Leo Gura You've posted two songs now talking about how "this work helps you be super creative" When they are both AI generated songs. Just saying. I don't deny that this work does make you more creative when done properly. But, is it really genuine to use those examples? The content is related, yes, but it's not really mastery or creativity. It's creative like. AI generated work. I wanna see examples of this community really mastering our craft, and share those examples. Authentic, super human creativity. Songs about Truth that bring you to your fucking knees. Let's gooooo.

This is not a flat out false thing. It's a controversial practice though.

@UnbornTao In theory, the materials you wear, place on earth you sit, direction you face when sitting, the temperature of the room, the foods you consume prior to and while meditating, the quality and quantity of your Qi, the sounds you hear, the purity of the air, the quality of the sunlight, the purity of your tissues, the health and strength of your body,... all play a roll in meditation. A rock/ stone, could potentially help. Depends on how it sits energetically and how that would effect the body. I don't know enough about it. I would be skeptical, but wouldn't reject it because it is a stone, or because it's culturally cool to mock. I am not saying a stone should be worth 1,600 but that a stone or crystal couldn't have healing or meditative health benefits. I think there is some truth that wearing some stones can be therapeutic and spiritually beneficial. Just because something doesn't KILL CANCER, doesn't mean it doesn't have some benefit. Best to avoid paying 1,600 dollars for it though. At my local tea shop there is a tea cup for 650 dollars. Think it holds any water compared to the one I bought for 50$ which I think looks better? Now, this chair... are we looking at it fairly?

This song has some of my favorite song lyrics of all time "Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free Silhouetted by the sea, circled by the circus sands With all memory and fate driven deep beneath the waves Let me forget about today until tomorrow"

This thread has my Truth oriented song writings spirit in a frazzle! Soon! Hahaha SOON YOU WILL KNOW MY SONG. hehe

@StyxNStone I mean, the voice is ai generated and so is the beat, melody, and the structure of the songs? All the EQ, mixing, etc, It's an AI generated song given your prompts and inputs and taste. Nothing against it! Just seeking clarity. I thought it was you who produced the whole thing at first and then I listend to another one and it was like, a professional rapper. Nice work man.

@Leo Gura It's AI?

@integral Placebo is extremely aligned when truth when it’s used with integrity. Please note: You haven’t proven or disproven the efficacy of these chairs. They could be great for promoting the bodies healing if they nourish the Qi.

5meodmt more more enlightening than is comfortable.

This is true of any healing modality. However, authentic energy healing can play a role in helping the entire body heal itself. Because, that's what the body does in most circumstances, barring extreme diseases. If you are going to use a hammer, don't use it to screw in a light bulb. (however healing isn't as simple as screwing in a light bulb). I am not a new ager but I am studying a 5000 year old history of Chinese medicine. Which, is actually in many ways far more holistic than most western healing modalities. Now, Pendants and chairs? 500$? I mean... probably not guys. I don't know anything about it. The body does of a highly complex, and FOUNDATIONAL "bioelectrical" system. The truth is, energetic healing is a holistic modality and deserves respect and openness to do the research around it. Now, does this chair work? I don't know.

@integral Well, did you sit in the chair? When it comes to Energy healing, placebo, etc... What's tricky is that: 1. There is a lot of bullshit 2. You don't know enough to tell the difference. Energy healing, has a lot of promise. But, it's not an easy thing to develop skill or knowledge in. There is energy healing going back 5000+ years in China. It's not all newage. In fact, I think of lot of you guys meditating would benefit from Pranayama and Qigong which are Energy working practices. I've been studying with Dr. Yang Jwing Mind to deeper understand Qigong through Chinese and western perspectives. There is legitimacy there. Qi, is a real thing and learning about it could help you. However, I personally know nothing about this chair. I post this because it's important to make fine distinctions. Placebo is a real thing and wise person would knowingly use it. Placebo is far more profound and powerful, than it's given credit for. Which is why people control for it, and struggle to make medications that out perform it. As westerners, there is a new healing paradigm forming. But, how we sort through it... that's going to be tricky.

So dogmatic!

@Leo Gura I agree with you. This has been an odd conversation for me. I am pretty familiar with your work. The idea of Truth, consciousness and actuality being God is my framing and orientation. I recognize, though I don’t fully understand it that my hands are Gods hands. 5meodmt, nnDMT experiences helped with that recontextualization.

@Leo Gura

Your point is coming off as slippery. I am not sure we know where we are going with this.

@puporing Are you saying I need to realize I am Jesus Christ? I have had an awakening like this. I just didn't let it go to my head. I took, whatever that was and I wanted to boil that love into something that wasn't dogmatic... and I just taught Qigong.

So, your point is God communicates to itself, in awakenings, in a myriad of diverse and novel ways? Unique to the person, the substance, etc?

I will contemplate what is precisely or isn't precisely Ego. However, notice how Language does has connections to Ego which can't fully be separated. Well, consider what you consider a loss of Ego, isn't complete. States of consciousness exist where there is no language or even memory of being human. So, we are discussing, more human types states where the mind is still contemplating, still active as a human. It would be a mistake to assume I am reducing consciousness down to formless abstraction. I have no problem with what you are saying here. I don't understand @puporing or not nature of "I am the second coming of Christ". Perhaps, for them this is something genuine. I admit to applying what I learned from "Integral Metatheory" to understand her. Yes, Genuine awakening, but it's a particular type of awakening due to their of growing up, waking up, etc, and how these meet. But, we have an issue here. You speak of Christianity of a social construct, yet it seems like you are also saying... Well, it's all God. Which is true. But, without a social construct, how would God communicate to a human? Seems impossible. @Leo Gura This is something I don't understand. If God is consciousness, why would it need a medium to operate through? The only reason it would have to do that is because in this current state, as a human, I have limitations and constraints put in place right? To keep this dream consistent. Something isn't adding up here. Good night.

I've had DMT peaks that were beyond language. I mean, I can't really remember because it's so strange. But, I've seen that this is my own mind. Totally, crazy wild. Just, amazing experiences that showed me my infinite intelligence. Spiraling shapes, geometric orbits and Aztec faces melting all time and matter into itself. But, was there English in that super mind? or did I use English afterward? I am not sure. DMT is, something else. I know what I've seen with DMT, and I really can't do it for years I think because it's so jarring and extreme. But, it did show me something I can't deny. My mind, my consciousness is God. I am alone the one who dreams. I mean, it's so obvious in those states. But, it's also so perfectly constructed and seamless that other might as well exist. "(I know so well that this is all there is)".

@puporing Okay. I am right here.

@puporing Okay, Christ. Higher state. I'll stay open minded. I really am still learning. It doesn't make sense to me, that a higher awakening would be an ego.

@puporing If you are referring to a state as Christ? How would you describe it? Compassion, love? Oneness with God? Or, are you Christ the man, the legend. See, when you say that to me I am thinking... What aspect of social construction, from what framing are you saying you are "Christ". Because, in human existence, there is Billions of Years before "Christ" which things existed, lived and died. So, It's not possible we all came from Christ because Christ would have had to come from Infinity just like every other finite thing. Christ, is less interesting to me than God. When I experience infinity, the absolute, perfection, infinite love, immortality... I don't think or identify it with Christ. I just think it's myself. Idk. It's just my own mind. I've existed for eternity and I am just dreaming. This, mysterious existence which is here. For some reason. The fact that it's a field is really boggling to me. I'd like to contemplate that more.

@puporing Okie dokie. I just told you, I am sharing my perspective. I frankly don't think you are at a higher state of consciousness. I just don't see how you've demonstrated it. Unless, it's entirely implicit. But, what am I to gain in doubting you? My own perspective and how I actually think about the things you say and do. I personally, have no idea what you experience. But, you act like you are at this higher point of awareness than everyone here... But, how would you know that? You don't. You are using Christ name to boost your ego, in my view, perhaps. Or, maybe there is something else going on. I really don't know.