Thought Art

Anyway, I was really hard on you because that was silly. You should learn from this if you want. You can enjoy use these things... just be realistic aboue the dose. 100-200ug is pretty good for most people...

I’m so non-conformist I don’t even want this skin on me

Looks so cool! Remind me to look into a retreat centre and set a date for my own 1-2 day sit for practice.

The mistake I made early on in this thread is mixing phonetics with phonology and morphology, I think. The morphology of those words can help distinguish it's meaning, not the phonetics alone. Also, I didn't explicitly remember some of those endings alone other than phobia. I feel it is important for me to be honest that for for most of them I had an implicit understanding I used chatgpt to check my understanding because I wasn't sure. I suspected what you were saying was correct... But, I hadn't fully grasped the distinction between phonetics and morphology. In reality, though I was correct that I knew there was other aspects of understanding happening with phonetics I hadn't yet made it explicit to myself. @Elliott You made lots of good points. Thank you! I apologize for calling you a dick. It seemed like that at the time. But, your point was true and valid. I will continue to strive to admit when I am wrong, dishonest or disingenuous as it becomes aware to me.

I share this to further expand and illuminate the depth and connection of these aspects of literacy.. chatgpt Grammar & Syntax Grammar – rules for structuring sentences, including: Parts of speech (noun, verb, adjective, etc.) Agreement (subject–verb, pronoun–antecedent) Tense, aspect, mood Voice (active vs passive) Why it matters: Understanding grammar lets you parse complex sentences. It reveals relationships between words and ideas. It’s crucial for decoding meaning in context. Syntax – the arrangement of words and phrases: Sentence types: simple, compound, complex Modifiers and their placement Parallel structure Clause relationships (cause, contrast, condition) Why it matters: Syntax gives the logical architecture of language. Helps with inferring relationships and emphasis. Enables reading for nuance, not just literal meaning. Punctuation & Orthography Punctuation – marks that clarify meaning and rhythm: Commas, periods, colons, semicolons, dashes, quotation marks, parentheses Signals tone, pauses, emphasis, lists, contrasts, and quotations Why it matters: Guides parsing of sentences Indicates logical connections and hierarchy of ideas Helps detect rhetorical nuance (questions, exclamations, irony) Capitalization & Orthography – visual cues for meaning: Proper nouns, titles, acronyms Sentence boundaries Hyphenation (compound words, modifiers) How These Layers Interact Phonetics & phonology → decoding sounds Morphology & etymology → decoding word meaning Grammar & syntax → decoding sentence structure Punctuation & orthography → decoding hierarchy and emphasis Contextual inference → decoding meaning dynamically in real text Grammar and punctuation act as the scaffolding for higher-level meaning. Without them, morphology and context clues can only go so far.

@Thought Art So, TLDR… phonetics as a missing piece for me personally that unlocked my ability to read and write. It is kind of like understanding the meaningless building blocks of a language I already could speak helping me to bridge the gap to reading, spelling etc. ….. hmm Still things are missing from our list of aspects of literacy like grammar, punctuation and syntax…

ChatGPT does a great job expanding the big picture of literacy which I am vaguely aware of but excited to review I. Sound & Form (Pre-Meaning Layers) 1. Phonetics How sounds are produced and perceived → sharpens pronunciation, listening, accent awareness 2. Phonology How sounds pattern within a language → stress, rhythm, syllable structure, sound rules 3. Prosody Intonation, emphasis, cadence, pacing → meaning beyond words (emotion, intent, authority) 4. Orthography Spelling systems and conventions → why words look the way they do II. Word Construction & Meaning 5. Morphology Roots, prefixes, suffixes → decoding unfamiliar word 6. Etymology Historical origin and lineage → reveals core meaning beneath modern usage 7. Lexical Semantics Precise meanings of words and word families → understanding fine distinctions (e.g., anxiety vs dread) 8. Polysemy Awareness One word, multiple meanings → avoiding shallow or incorrect interpretation 9. Collocation Words that naturally go together → native-level fluency and elegance III. Meaning in Context 10. Semantics (Contextual Meaning) How meaning shifts with situation → “charge,” “energy,” “power” mean different things in different fields 11. Pragmatics What is meant rather than said → sarcasm, implication, social meaning 12. Register Awareness Formal vs informal vs technical vs poetic → choosing the right language for the moment 13. Discourse Analysis How meaning unfolds across sentences and texts → arguments, narratives, framing IV. Time, Culture & Power 14. Semantic Drift How meanings evolve → prevents anachronistic misunderstanding 15. Diachronic Literacy Reading texts in their historical mindset → grasping what words meant then 16. Sociolinguistics How class, culture, power, and identity shape language → who gets to define meaning 17. Ideological Framing How language encodes values and worldviews → spotting manipulation, propaganda, bias V. Rhetoric & Persuasion 18. Rhetorical Devices Metaphor, analogy, irony, repetition, framing → emotional and persuasive power 19. Argument Literacy Claims, evidence, assumptions, fallacies → resisting bullshit 20. Narrative Literacy Story structure, archetypes, mythic patterns → deep persuasion and meaning-making 21. Tone & Voice Awareness Authorial stance and intention → detecting confidence, humility, aggression, seduction VI. Symbolic & Abstract Layers 22. Metaphorical Literacy Understanding how abstract thought relies on metaphor → “time is money,” “energy is flow” 23. Symbolic Literacy Religious, mythic, psychological symbols → reading beneath the literal 24. Mythopoetic Literacy How stories encode wisdom across cultures → Jung, Campbell, archetypes VII. Precision & Craft 25. Stylistics Sentence architecture, rhythm, clarity → elegance and force in writing 26. Lexical Precision Choosing the exact word → power without excess 27. Conciseness Expressing maximum meaning with minimal language → mastery, not simplicity VIII. Meta-Literacy (Rare but Powerful) 28. Metalinguistic Awareness Thinking about language while using it → conscious mastery 29. Conceptual Literacy Seeing how words map to mental models → dissolving confusion at the root 30. Epistemic Literacy How language shapes what we think we know → humility, clarity, wisdom 31. Hermeneutics Interpretation theory → knowing how meaning is extracted IX. Applied Mastery 32. Translation Literacy Moving meaning between languages or domains → very high intelligence signal 33. Coinage & Naming Creating words that feel inevitable → branding, philosophy, art 34. Silence Literacy Knowing when not to speak → rhetorical and social mastery A Simple Summary Model High-level literacy = - Sound → Structure → Meaning → Context → Power → Wisdom What you’re really building toward is the ability to see through words rather than be hypnotized by them — and also to use them cleanly, precisely, and ethically.

@Elliott It’s morphology and etymology which I may have been taught along with phonetics. Phonetics is memory too so moot point. It all mixes together. But, yeah I would say phonetics alone nope couldn’t help you understand them… but you could sound them out. Sounding them out and aspects of the skill set of breaking up word with morphology helps… I’m enjoying making finer distinctions here. You would need the above to gain more insight along with definitions or context in the chapter or paragraph you are reading. The thing we gotta do here is really state what phonetics helps someone do. It’s an aspect that aids and helps other aspects of reading. I’ll construct a list with ChatGPT through some powerful prompts!

Kakorrhaphiophobia I don’t know what this mean, but I assume it’s a kind of phobia. Why? Because I learned to break words up when I can to sound out root words. In that way, phonetics helps you begin to comprehend words meanings. I’ve never claimed 100% understanding of a word! Unless you know it already. phobia - some kind of fear gian - is a suffix for a person from somewhere topia - place or state Ulate - to cause… etc You can use the endings of words and the sounds, and typical usage of the endings to gain insight into the word. As part of the phonetics I learn the meaning of these endings too.

@Elliott Exactly. Things I’ve said are true. With allowance for nuance. You can straw man me if you want. But that limits your understanding of what I’ve said. You have helped me explore this area and I’m sure my mind will continue to learn more.

@Elliott Also, I am not a victim. I’m calling you a dick.

@Elliott It did make breakthrough for my reading. I am open to expanding the nuances of the learning process however, like I’ve said above speaking to you has helped me make some finer distinctions. I’ve also stated many times before I’m aware of many different aspects of learning. I am by no means boiling all my understanding of English to a single facet or aspect of learning a language, ie phonetics. For me, phonetics was huge for me, in reading and writing a language I already could speak and had a high comprehension of. So, based on this I’ve come to understand important nuances and limitations of phonetics in learning a language. That being said, phonetics is important. As the article you shared states, as part of a more holistic and balanced approach. It doesn’t predict comprehension, etc and I’m fine with that. For me, the phonetic piece of the puzzle opened a door way where I was no longer impeded by not being able to read, or at least sound out words and gain its meaning through the text I am reading. There are aspects if learning phonetics that did help with word meaning in some context… for example "ing" being an action, or "ed" meaning past tense depending on context. So instead assuming you know what I meant and trying to debunk me maybe seek more clarity. I think the OP posted the core issue and point was sight reading vs Phonetic understanding. At that level I stand phonetic is better. But, for larger understanding of complete literacy I was not speaking about. For comprehension and deeper levels of understanding I’m open to learning more about the reality around that. Being able to actually read and write helps with comprehension is kind of obvious as a starter.

@Elliott They sound extremely similar. Because we know this history of our language. Many English words are literally from French. It is one of the things that makes French easier to learn is the phonetic similarities. Is it hard proof and conclusive you know what it means? Nope. But, the phonetic similarities of the languages given French shaped modern English is useful to learners. Can’t know 100%, but that wasn’t my fucking claim. My claim is it helps make learning French easier. Which it does. Stop being a dick. You misconstrue what I say and it’s very annoying.

Bro, I’m not understanding the whole fucking language. Lot’s of English words come from French. Those words I can understand based on the phonetics. Common fucking sense. Stop being a dick. Any idea what this word in French means? ”Musique”? Arts / Entertainment: Musique → Music Danse → Dance Poésie → Poetry Théâtre → Theater Ballet → Ballet Chanson → Song (sometimes “chanson” in English contexts) Everyday / Objects: Table → Table Porte → Port (as in airport) Livre → Library / Livre (book in French, but “livre” influenced “library”) Maison → Mansion (originally “maison” = house) Food / Culinary: Pain → Pan (bread) Fromage → Fromage (cheese; English sometimes borrows the term for fancy menus) Vin → Wine Café → Café Abstract / Concepts: Raison → Reason Lumière → Light / Illumination Nature → Nature Vérité → Verity (truth) Armée → Army Justice → Justice Science / Learning: École → School (from Latin schola, via French) Université → University Histoire → History Philosophie → Philosophy Société → Society Other common words: Famille → Family Route → Route Minute → Minute Important → Important Chatgpt gave these shitty examples

Jehovah’s Witness don’t believe Christ is God. Are they not Christian?

Pursue what you find meaningful!

Spend 20 years studying the psychology of an ass cramp.

@Elliott My understanding of phonetics does make reading French easier. Even though it’s different the fact that I understand words as a grouping a building blocks which creates different sounds really helps. It makes understanding conjugations easier. I however, do not think phonetics exists on an island. It’s just part of learning. Also, French and English share a lot of words so… in a way phonetics DO help with meaning in this context. Interesting nuance. But, whole words could help here two because the words not only sound similar but look similar.

Whyyyyyy. I don’t know what you mean by funny that also isn’t making fun of how I mentioned Chinese psychology (reffering to their traditional ontology of mind). Yes, I think what I assume you mean by monkey psychology is important too. Also, mental illness, and environmental elements like heavy metals, etc…

@Schizophonia My end goal is Québécois, but the apps teach international French.

Do you mean monkeys and apes? Because I think Monkeys are different no? You have a book on your reading list I think.

@Leo Gura

@Leo Gura Why u do this. What u mean? I read Chinese psychology and Qigong books. Chinese view on psychology merges psychology and physiology in an interesting way. It’s very strange for me and challenging epistemic and ontological exercise. I am not talking about 5 element theory. There is more to it… It is helping with my meditation practice as well. I’m working on integrating these psychologies in my self. Chinese psychology is what I keep thinking and coming back to when I listen to your deconstructing rationality series.

@Vali2003 I liked reading over your analysis. She generally is coming from a higher perspective and I found her video helped me to dovetail and contrast with Leo’s recently video series. I think I would add some things where she may be wrong 1. She is wrong to completely disregard lived experience and qualitative experience in psychology. She is wrong to only use formalized and rational, empirical data. She is trying to create a walled garden to protect her psychology from the pitfalls and nebulosity she so well explains on how post modern, feminist, lefty type ideologies corrupt psychology. On one hand she is right to do this because psychology should be able to measure the results of their approaches. Some outcomes should be considered better than others when working with patients. Therefore having measurable criteria is crucial. But, she is wrong because by doing so she limits her ability to understand consciousness and mind because in reality they are nebulous and cannot be formalized….. listening to her and the challenges psychology faces made me realize how difficult it would be for psychology to tango with Leo’s Deconstructing Rationality series. 2. I question her disregard for self esteem in well being and wonder exactly the movement she referred too. I doubt it is the self esteem taught by Nathanial Brandon as she referred to artificially boosting self esteem which is not what Nathanial Brandon teaches… I have much to learn… I would hesitate to say whether she is above or below. But, she offers a strong critique of ideological corruptions in her field, and the challenges of the scientific legitimacy of psychology when distorted by ideology and a lack of empiricism and standard of efficacy. This is challenging! I think there is room for many branches and fields in psychology which may benefit from different types of research, types of evidence, practices, purposes, etc… I don’t think all psychology should be empirical and that qualitative research has value as well. I think a robust psychology should be rooted first and foremost in a non-ideological and holistic lens. Actually, Integral meta theory probably the correct map for understanding psychology, plus psychedelics, Chinese psychology/ physiology, yogic sciences and western somatics.

Upon further research I don’t think it was the Lindamood system. It just doesn’t look familiar to me. I wonder what it was….