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@Quizzer lol. sure mate. Next time when i have a question , i will tag you.

Your wanting to be in a state of effortlessness through the use of effort is not going to succeed. So forget about the effortless state -- it doesn't exist at all. You want to achieve an effortless state through effort -- how the hell are you going to achieve that goal? You forget that everything that you are doing, any movement that is there, any want that is there, for whatever reason, is effort. -------o------- Effortlessness is something which cannot be achieved through effort. Anything that you do to stop the effort, is itself an effort. -------o------- Thought is a very powerful vibration, an extraordinary vibration. It is like an atom. You can't play with those things. -------o------- You are not going to reach your goal of completely controlling your thought. Thought has to function in its own way, in its disconnected, disjointed way. That is something which cannot be brought about through any effort of yours. It has to fall into its normal rhythm. Even if you want to make it fall into a normal rhythm, you are adding momentum to that. It has a life of its own which has, unfortunately, established a parallel life within the movement of life. These two are always in conflict. That will come to an end only when the body comes to an end. -------o------- You don't have to do a thing. You are not separate from that. That's all that I am emphasizing. You cannot separate yourself from the thought and say "these are my thoughts." That is the illusion you have, and you cannot be without any illusion. You always replace one illusion with another illusion. Always. -------o------- Why do you want to be free from illusions? That's the end of you. It's not that I am frightening you, I am just pointing out that it is not just a lighthearted game to play. That is you, you as you know yourself. When that knowledge you have of yourself is not there any more, the knowledge you have about the world also is not there any more. It can't be there any more. -------o------- You cannot look at your thought, because you cannot separate yourself from thought and look at it. There is no thought apart from the knowledge you have about those thoughts -- the definitions you have. So if somebody asks you the question, "what is thought?" any answer you have is the answer that is put in there -- the answers that others have already given. You have, through combinations and permutations of ideation and mentation about thoughts, created your own thoughts which you call your own. Just as when you mix different colors, you can create thousands of pastel colors, but basically all of them can be reduced to only seven colors that you find in nature. What you think is yours is the combination and permutation of all those thoughts, just the way you have created hundreds and hundreds of pastel colors. You have created your own ideas. That is what you call thinking. -------o------- When you look at an object the knowledge you have about that object comes into your head. There is an illusion that thought is something different from objects, but it is you who creates the object. The object may be there, but the knowledge you have about that object is all that you know. Apart from that knowledge and independent of that knowledge, free from that knowledge, you have no way of knowing anything about it. -------o------- You have no way of directly experiencing anything. The word "directly" does not mean that there is any other way of experiencing things other than the way you are experiencing things now. The knowledge you have about it is all that is there and that is what you are experiencing. Really, you do not know what it is. In exactly the same way, when you want to know something about thought, or experience thought, it is the same process that is in operation there. There is no inside or outside. What there is is only the operation, the flow of the knowledge. So you cannot actually separate yourself from thought and look at it. So when such a question is thrown at you, what should happen is [the realization] that none of the answers have any meaning, because all that is acquired and taught. So that movement stops. There is no need for you to answer the question. There is no need for you to know anything about it. All that you know comes to a halt. It has no momentum any more. It slows down, and then it dawns upon you that it is meaninglessness to try to answer that question, because it has no answer at all. The answers that others have given are there. So you have nothing to say on that thing called thought, because all you can say is what you have gathered from other sources. You have no answer of your own. -------o------- That is not what that person is. You don't actually know anything about that person or that thing, except what you are projecting on that object or the individual. The knowledge you have about it is the experience. It goes on and on. That's all. What that really is, you have no way of knowing.

Following are words of UG. 1.To be yourself is the easiest thing. And you don't want to be in your state. You'd rather be somebody else, imitate the life of somebody else. That's your problem. To be yourself doesn't need any time at all. But you talk of timelessness, which is a mockery. To be yourself, do you need time? To be a good man, to be a marvelously religious man, to be in a state of peace, to be in a state bliss, naturally you need time. That will always be tomorrow. When tomorrow arrives, you say, "All right, day after tomorrow." That is time. [I am] Not [talking about] this metaphysical or philosophical thing. I am not talking about metaphysical time and timeless. There is no such thing as the timeless. 2.What takes you away from your state is this movement in the direction of wanting to be in some state other than yourself. To be yourself doesn't need time. If I am a village idiot, I remain a village idiot. Finish. I don't want to be an intelligent man. Even if my neighbor takes advantage of his extraordinary intelligence and exploits [me], good luck. What can I do? To accept the reality, this is the reality of the world. There is no other world. There is no other reality, ultimate reality. This is the only reality. You have to function in this world. You can't run away from this world. How can you run away from this world? Because you are that world. Where you can you go? Hide yourself in a cave? Yes, you are taking your thoughts wherever you go. You cannot run away from your shadow. It's there all the time. So, you can't do a thing about thought. That's all that I am saying. When you realize the absurdity of all your effort to do something about the thought -- it's creating the problem; it's misery for you; you can't do anything -- when you can't do anything, when you realize that you can't do a thing about it, it's not there. You are not using it [thought] as a means to get something for you. 3.I want to say this again. You desire. If you do not want anything, there is no thought at all. You understand? Wanting is thinking, it doesn't matter what you want -- want self-realization, want God-realization -- you want anything, that means you have to use this instrument. These are not your thoughts, these are not your feelings. You may not like it. They belong to somebody else. You want to make them your own. You have unfortunately made them your own. That's why you ask all these questions. Why do you ask all these questions? These questions have been put before to so many people -- all the sages, saints and saviors of mankind, the holy men dead and alive. They are all ready to answer. They have composed a lot of lullabies. You go and listen to them and go to sleep, if you want to. That's what you are interested in. You want somebody else to pat on your back and say, "Oh, fine, just fine, you are doing very well. Do more and more of the same and you will reach the destination you want to arrive at." 4.You want comfort. You want affection from the person you are living with. You want this, that and the other. But what you want to get -- the GET of all the 'gets' -- you are not going to. That [what you want to get] is in relationship with your enlightenment, your freedom, transformation and all that kind of thing. There is nothing to get from me or from anybody. You want to be at peace with yourself. You will not get anything from anybody. All this is disturbing the peace that is already there. Your idea of peace is altogether different. 5.Because there is a constant demand on your part to experience everything that you look at, everything that you are feeling inside. If you don't do that, 'you' as you know yourself and as you experience yourself is coming to an end. That is a frightening thing. You don't want to come to an end; you want continuity. All the spiritual pursuits are in the direction of strengthening that continuity. So, all your experiences, all your meditations, all your sadhana -- all that you do is strengthening the 'self'. They are selfcentered activities. Whatever you do to be free from the 'self' is also a selfcentered activity. The process you adopt to attain what you call 'being' is also a 'becoming' process. So, there is no such thing as 'being'. Anything you do -any movement, in any direction, on any level -- is a becoming process.

@ZenDog there's this guy known as UG, i will share his words with you now: 1.U.G.: There is no happiness. I never ask myself the question. So many people ask me that question: "Are you happy?" What is that question? Funny question. I never ask [myself] that question, "Am I happy?" 'Total happiness is an invention. [Mr. Kothari: "Invention of the mind, you mean? Naturally."] There is no mind. There is no such things as the mind at all. Where is the mind? Is the mind separate from the body? Distinguished from the body? Apart from the body? These questions have no meaning at all. You have no way of separating yourself from what is going on. The moment you separate yourself means you have a knowledge about it -- the knowledge given by either the biologists, the physiologists, the psychologists or the religious people. So through that you are looking at it. You cannot experience anything without knowledge. You cannot experience this at all, let alone Brahman or reality. You cannot experience this at all. Only through abstraction. And what is that abstraction? The knowledge you have about it. This has been put there. Your mother told you, or your neighbor or friend told you that this is a table. What the hell is that, you don't know, apart from what you have been told. Every time you look at this, you have to repeat to yourself that it is a table. What are you doing that for? This is my question. This is the continuity I am talking about. You want to reassure yourself that you are there. The "I" is nothing but this word. There is no "I" independent of this word. Maybe you find some parallel [to what I am saying] in Shamkara or God knows what. 2.Whatever you do in the pursuit of truth or reality takes you away from your own very natural state in which you always are. It's not something you can acquire, attain or accomplish as a result of your effort. All that you do makes it impossible for what already is there to express itself. That is why I call this your natural state. You're always in that state. What prevents what is there from expressing itself in its own way is the search. The search is always in the wrong direction. So all that you consider very profound, all that you consider sacred, is a contamination in that consciousness. You may not like the word contamination but all that you consider sacred, holy and profound is a contamination. There's nothing that you can do, it's not in your hands. This is something which I can't give because you have it. It is ridiculous to ask for a thing which you already have. There isn't anything to get from anybody. You have what I have. I say you are there. 3.U.G.: You have to be saved from the very idea that you have to be saved. You must be saved from the saviors, redeemed from the redeemers. If it is to happen, it must happen now. My words cannot penetrate the lunacy there. It is the madness of the spiritual search that makes you unmoved and impervious to my words. The line between the madman and the mystic is a very, very thin one. The madman is regarded as a clinical case, while the other, the mystic, is equally pathological. Forget the rosaries, the scriptures, the ashes on your forehead. When you see for yourself the absurdity of your search, the whole culture is reduced to ashes inside you. Then you are out of that. Tradition is finished for you. No more games. Vedanta means the end of knowledge. So why write more holy books, open more schools, preserve more teachings? The burning up inside you of everything you want is the meaning of ashes. When you know nothing, you say a lot. When you know something, there is nothing to say. 4.You always want to be somebody else; you want to imitate the life of somebody else -- you want to imitate the life of Jesus, you want to imitate the life of Buddha, you want to imitate the life of Shamkara. You can't do it, because you don't know what is there behind. You will end up changing your robes, from rose to saffron, saffron to yellow, or from yellow to rose, depending upon your particular fancy. How can you ask for a thing which you do not know? How can you search for a thing which you do not know? That is my question. So, search has no meaning at all. Only when the search comes to an end, what there is will express itself, in its own way. You cannot tamper with that. You cannot manipulate that. You cannot manipulate the action of the thing which is there, which has an extraordinary intelligence.

@Oleg F hii I understood the following by reading your comment: 1. Real change might actually happen ,when, one lets go of control over wanting things to be different from ,"what is". Its strange mate. When someone lets go of everything, there's no will power anymore and they become silent too. They are naturally in a meditative state( being aware , equanimous etc) . Exactly , Real change might be possible ,when ,I give up and completely surrender , without even knowing how to surrender.

@Kelley White kellyy. I have come across byron katie's work. I learnt the following from your comment : 1. Different states of being (like being equanimous, being kind, being brave, etc,) with practice, might become a part of everyday life and this will help one to handle life situations well. 2.Being open for new perspectives , challenges , etc, will provide one with a possibility for growth. 3.Learning from criticisms is another way to improve. 4. Success might be about getting back up and being more resilient , and learning along the way each time when one gets back up. getting back up with style

@MartineF I have a doubt. say that someone is feeling good, rich, healthy etc, and is exactly vibrating with a higher level of energy,but, will it be possible for him/her to get things that they want without taking the next logical action?.

@Niki niki That's nice , even I should start writing notes in a notebook and meditate on an regular basis. niki, your comment reminds me of what my friend used to tell me, he said that ,"running is not just physical , its even psychological". Seems like outer world can change the inner world too isn't it interesting to see how body and mind are so closely related. ha ha , yes, I definitely don't have the illusion that i am a super masculine. I have a changing energy level, at times, i am like a child in an amusement park and there are moments when i am like a monk( these moments are quite rare though), etc. Using Outer world as a tool is a good idea.

@Sigma Even before watching it, I have doubts on what I heard about that movie. I still think that taking actions are important. It is a confusing topic

@shouldnt I still find law of attraction quite strange. I wonder how like attracts like.. I am curious to know more, have you tried the law of attraction thingy? if yes? how did you apply it and how does it work?

@Anna Thanks anna P.S( anna reminds me of anne, a character in the book " famous five" written by enid blyton" I love that book. )

@Lynnel Lynnelll Broooooo. I feel that you have gone through a lot. I have to start meeting girls and before that ,I am curious to know your opinion on the following" should I pursue girls or should I work on letting go of such a need?". I am curious about girls for sure, so I want to hold a relationship with at least one girl. I am thinking to work on my inner game a lot. For me, its quite an emotional journey. Trying to fix me on inside might take some time and focused effort. Its definitely painful and hard .

@The Alchemist That really helps bro. I am going to re-read what you typed again and take some notes from it. Thanks for sharing bro, right now, I should make a list of things that I should be cutting down.. I have to start working on my inner game a lot. I haven't started meeting girls and I have this drive to chase them,but, I am becoming even more driven about self actualization these days. I should definitely cut down Porn, Masturbation, pointless chatting and surfing, many more.I love the idea of making room for new, amazing, helpful stuff, activities, people that the universe will send me.

. I need a list of books for the following : 1. Developing humor 2. conversation skills( for learning how to hold a conversation, initiating a conversation, different ways of questioning someone to get information etc) 3. Reading Body language

@Philipp books= the Six pillars of self esteem by Nathaniel branden, mastery by George leonard, no more mr nice guy by robert glover, models by mark manson, how to become a 3% man by corey wayne, etc Videos= watch videos of noah elkrief , teal swan( start with videos of noah elkrief in youtube) etc Coming back to books , its better that you start with ," no more mr nice guy " by robert glover( because, the book explains why some seek for approval, the book is all about that), then move onto, "the six pillars of self esteem" by nathaniel branden, then move onto, "mastery" by george leonard, then, to understand more about women, read "models" by mark manson and "how to become a 3% man" by corey wayne

@DizIzMikey Even i have such thoughts bro. Yes bro, its scary when we think that we might loose someone or something, that we love. But, actually we don't get to keep any experiences of life, do we?. As it comes, it goes!. Yes, it feels scary. There are things that we can't control, isn't it bro!. Life will pass bro And definitely it is scary! , i agree,but, Enjoy life as long as its possible !. Yes, you know that we don't get to keep anything, so, go and enjoy with whoever is near you at this moment.:) and know that you are not alone with such a feeling, we are alive here for the first time bro!, and its natural to be afraid of loosing the lovely things that we come across!,but, don't let that feeling stop you from living life in a joyful way....meditate and relax , whenever possible...:))).take care bro.

May i know the list of books which are good at explaining the following: 1. women 2.myself 3. relationships 4. social skills

@Blessed81sure bro. Will let you know.

@Van Thanks bro. I have read models by mark manson. Its awesomeee. will check out the rest of the books that u have mentioned.

Each and every day , i see how ,many are being helped here. Within days, I got in touch with the right sources to help myself in many ways. This is a lovely place. Awesome people are around here.

@Blessed81, That's soo cool bruh. thanks man. I have come across them, will check out their videos completely.

hi. ' 1.May i know how to develop compassion. ? 2.May i know the steps to live from heart or how to open the spiritual heart.? P.S I have self doubts. Yesterday, I felt that i am not gifted enough to be enlightened. one more thing. may i know how to approach someone from space of love. I haven't kissed any girl before and the curiosity changed to frustration. I personally don't feel like approaching a girl from a space of lack or going to her to validate my life. May i know how to deal with all these emotional issues, before approaching a girl? how to be in the space of love and feel the perfection in my life?

@TruthSeeker hi Thanks mate. I will do some random acts of kindness. I will keep an eye on the girl's desires too . and i think i should increase my ability to understand a girl and myself too. woah, it seems like kissing is an emotional act of caring .Sure friend, I will see how i can genuinely care for her Oh sure, will check that video of leo gura.

@Ayla aylaaaaa. sure, will read some books or topics related to self esteem thingy.

I shared something here minutes ago. But, as a newbie, I saw that i have a lot to learn and decided not to.