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@Bill W Thank you, you're very kind! May I offer you an alternative view? My experience is that my heart is actually more active than my brain. But if your experience is different, I respect that. However, if you'd like to consider how it is that many consider the heart central, from a scientific point of view, just for fun, you might want to check this YouTube out?

@Bill W I agree. And I would add that it cannot be anything but true, as well, that Enlightenment is also in one's HEART. And that it is a harmonious relationship between head and heart. Some would insist that it is all in one's heart. But I would insist that it is in a loving relationship between head and heart. Although I would add, the universe, as well. Leo would say, I expect, All Of The Above. But what I DO, nevertheless, suspect might blow his mind, is the harmonious relationship part. I say that because I suspect, although I would have to ask him, and he'd have to answer, that he does have an adversarial paradigm going on, that he hasn't completely appreciated and examined that, yet. And it just might blow his mind to find out just how much difference, in moving toward a deeper, wider and higher integration, that can make. That is, how all the more actualized an Enlightenment is available in a paradigm of GRACE as opposed to one of ADVERSITY.

@Leeeon I agree that you can't have one opposite, without the other. But it doesn't have to be at the same time. Right? There's no birth without death, but that doesn't mean that you have to kill somebody every time a baby is born, right? With giving birth, the situation is so delicate, that the relationship is between: easing and supporting birth and, precisely, avoiding death. So, you can have harmony, precisely by avoiding discord. You invite the beauty and you avoid the ugliness. I would call that grace, graceful dance. It's actually easier than discord. So, it's effortless grace. Relatively speaking. Right?

@Consilience I like your perspective. Thanks

@Rasheed Yeah, that too, that too! Of course! Both!

@Inliytened1 I'm sorry, I didn't make myself clear. I meant that Leo was a cultural phenomenon. As for the content, I have always understood it IMMEDIATELY. I came up in the 50's and 60's and am quite familiar with psychedelics, meditation, contemplation, etc. I've been meditating rigorously for the last 50 years, actually. THAT'S why I recognize him, as my eloquent self, so to speak. I just never expected to see it manifest so graphically. Thank you for asking, Inliytened1!

@Rasheed Unprecedented phenomenon! ABSOLUTELY!!!!!! The question, for me, then becomes, "how is Leo, ultimately, precedented, understandable, part of the warp and woof of a context and reality that I am ~ not yet ~ familiar with?" How to own it, how to get familiar with it, how to make it an ordinary part of my ongoing dance with my universe?

@hyruga ..and what does your ego tell you?

@JohnnyRocket AWESOME! Thanks for the tip off. Just watched it! Can't wait to comment on it!

@SgtPepper Would it "mindfuck" you if "Truth" was just a color, like, say "red" or "pink"? What if "Truth" were just a texture, like "rough" or "smooth"? I believe "Truth" is just a metaphor, or trope, or comparison. I experience "Truth" as just a vibe. I experience Everything as just one of God's vibes, along an infinite spectrum of vibes. Would it "mindfuck" you if I was "right" ~ even tho I think "right" is just a shifting sand? I'm curious. But I also know what you mean. And it Would "mindfuck" me if Leo believed in Mormonism and Scientology. On the other hand, in one of his videos he DOES say that EVERYONE has some truth to offer, right?

@Maximo Casas Do you see how the intensity of your proposition stimulates and equally intense "ego backlash"? I'd suggest that the "real name of ego" is demonization or aggression or denigration. Lacan, a famous psychoanalyst, called it "the defiles of the other." My experience is that EVERYONE has something valuable to say, not because they're either "right" or "wrong," but because Everyone Is God in me. So, yes, of course, you DO offer some good perspectives! Thanks for sharing them!

@assx95 Yes, I agree. It's merely the shadow of an even brighter light. One can't exist without the other. It's the very nature of existence.

@Maximo Casas I agree with Marshall Rosenberg who says that the best way to relate to ppl is to empathize with them. Thus, one does not rebel (kill) the loved one, nor does one idolize (obey) the loved one. Both are violent, sacrificial, acts. In Nonviolent Communication, one simply sees oneself in the loved one, and communicates this as being fully present and engaged with the loved one, in the Now. One doesn't either criticize nor idolize, one simply communicates the reception of the other's spirit, to the other's satisfaction. So that both experience the sense of being understood, and of understanding, accurately. Nothing more and nothing less.

@Leeeon I believe in Nonviolent communication, which I consider a form of effortless grace on the dance floor of empathy. My ideal is to see both myself and others as God. Thus, in this dance, no one is ever "wrong," just as there is never a "wrong move" in God's Grace. The question is never one of "right or wrong," but rather, "how can I move most in harmony with my own and others' experience, in this here and now?" Therefore, I see Alex's list, on the one side of the dance, as quite funny, since it characterizes Leo in a lighthearted, yet somewhat accurate way. On the other side, I can see how it can be taken with deadly seriousness as dangerously, either "right or wrong," and, lastly, as the dance evolves, I can see how both views are, in a very real sense, exactly the same view. "The identity of opposites," to quote Hegel, who was himself, like Leo, a pantheist, and was familiar with, and borrowed from, Hindu scripture. It could be said that the Hindu God is The Dancing God. But I believe that God is not only dancing. I believe God IS Dance Itself. I believe the essence, in a sense, of the "self" is sheer relationship itself, just as is "other," sheer relationship.

@MAYA EL I believe in Nonviolent communication, which I consider a form of effortless grace on the dance floor of empathy. My ideal is to see both myself and others as God. Thus, in this dance, no one is ever "wrong," just as there is never a "wrong move" in God's Grace. The question is never one of "right or wrong," but rather, "how can I move most in harmony with my own and others' experience, in this here and now?" Therefore, I see Alex's list, on the one side of the dance, as quite funny, since it characterizes Leo in a lighthearted, yet somewhat accurate way. On the other side, I can see how it can be taken with deadly seriousness as dangerously, either "right or wrong," and, lastly, as the dance evolves, I can see how both views are, in a very real sense, exactly the same view. "The identity of opposites," to quote Hegel, who was himself, like Leo, a pantheist, and was familiar with, and borrowed from, Hindu scripture. It could be said that the Hindu God is The Dancing God. But I believe that God is not only dancing. I believe God IS Dance Itself. I believe the essence, in a sense, of the "self" is sheer relationship itself, just as is "other," sheer relationship.

@Leeeon Cool!!

@Leeeon Oh, OK. Let me add, if I may, and I hope you'll agree, that actualized.org is all about going beyond literal truths, onto metaphysical ones, right? So, I'm using "dancing" as a metaphor for communication that is Fully in the Now Spontaneous, Lighthearted, Celebrant Totally Interactive And Interdependent Relatively graceful and effortless I hope that clarifies things. I would also like to add that, although I totally understand what you mean by "literal," even "literal," "really," "actual," "true," "enlightenment," are metaphors, or tropes, or analogs. I hope you agree. But I'd be happy to discuss this further, if you'd like.

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@Leeeon Well, in terms of DANCE, I would suggest that you are both exchanging different fears. Even though you say you're safe, and they claim you're not, nevertheless, you also have a fear, and that's that your fun and perspective from a higher level, is rare and you might not be able to retrieve it readily. But if you can overcome that fear, telling both them, and yourself, that you can return to the top, whenever you want, especially after having reassured them that it's no big deal, that you're safe up there, then the dance is over, and both have responded with authentic engagement, and both feel respected. Ideal dance involves mutual respect.

@assx95 Really good question, IMO! My first response, from my own faking, is that I've learned it from my role models. I mistakenly took their faking for the real deal, so I unconsciously thought, "OK, so the real way to communicate is to pretend to be fake, or maybe, to fake to pretend." And my second response is that most ppl are on an assembly line, in one way or the other, especially overwhelmed parents. And they can't afford to completely engage, given that they can only attend to one responsibility after another in a state of frenetic haste, which appears fake to anyone who presumes that a deeper and more extensive engagement in time and alertness, is normal and available. Most people on this planet, after all, are overwhelmed and deprived of most human minimum requirements, such as sleep, food, shelter, safety, etc.

@assx95 Everything and anything can be faked, that is, anything can be done half hearted and distracted, reluctant, resentful, contemptuously performed, right? By authentic dance, I mean, really engaged, fully committed, truly blissful, genuinely self disclosing, actually entranced with both oneself and one's partner, as well as the whole of life, and it's contexts. Right?

@assx95 As long as you're MOST AWARE of YOUR OWN "imagined boundaries of what could be talked about," right? In other words, YOU be the ACTIVE agent, the one who is CREATIVELY and AUTHENTICALLY initiating a more Enlightened Relationship/Dance with Life, with others, with yourself, right??????

@assx95 You COULD say that, and I'm gratified that you use the word, "distracted." And, of course, "baiting," is a dance move. But I'd rather say that you accepted my, "invitation to authentic dance."

@assx95 If you think you resolved the problem by just not talking to your mom ~ what I was in the middle of writing was that you've just swept the problem under the rug. Or worse, imminent explosion, some time in the future! I was in the middle of suggesting that you really contemplate on the "problem" and the discomfort until you really feel good about it. That you contemplate on it, as Leo would say, without any assumptions or thoughts, just experience it fully for a length of time until it leads you to an insight, enlightenment, that empathizes with both you, yourself, and her. I was going to restate my suggestion that you check YouTubes on Nonviolent communication, with empathy in mind. Anyway, that's what I was writing.. If you've lost interest, fine. Sorry, in that case. I just like to complete my efforts at communication. And I also wanted to know whether you had, indeed, told your mother that "forest," really means populated town with amenities and comforts of home. ??? Did you ???????

@assx95 What happened to your post on your leaving your mother angry? I was in the middle of typing an answer and suddenly the words, "we can't locate destination," or some such meaning, came up. Do you know? Still want responses to that post?