Gnostic Christian

Prohibition of drugs. Criminals love to see it. Why do we make their day? You will know why criminals love to see us prohibit the various social drugs that we and our children consume. Why did you vote to make their day? Why are we fighting a drug war against our own children when our intelligentsia pushes for drug legalization so that we can then control in a better way what we and our children consume? Our children are the ones dying due to our drug war, --- while we adults hide behind legislation that criminals love to see? Regards DL

Blood sacrifice. Are they divine or satanic? https://ascensionglossary.com/index.php/Blood_Sacrifice Psa 49 7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him: Repeat after me. Satan would accept a blood sacrifice/ransom. God would not. Thanks for repeating this to all the Christians you are unfortunate enough to bump into who think otherwise. Regards DL

Was god choosing Jesus just; or should the Father have chosen the cross for himself? 1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. Chose here means Jesus being chosen to be the messiah and sacrifice to the Father. It also means the Father, --- and Judge in this case, --- deciding to demand and accept what is synonymous to a bribe. That is an evil act to most people. If you were the god you are to emulate, would you send your child to die or would you step up? Should sons bury fathers or should fathers bury sons? Regards DL

Divine retribution and unconditional love. Can only one attribute be real? In the beginning, before creation, we are told, there was only Yahweh. Yahweh, perfect in all attributes, then created a perfect universe, even though scriptures only call creation good, thanks to lack of faith or understanding of reality. We are told that god loves all he created unconditionally, including us. We are also told that the vast majority of us will end in the purposeless tortures of hell and death. That is divine retribution from god against those who we think imperfect sinners. A god who loves all of creation unconditionally, due to being created perfect, as a perfect god would create, would not torture and kill his perfect souls. Either there is no divine retribution, or there is no unconditional love. Unconditional love would overshadow ant divine retribution. Divine retribution and unconditional love cannot both exist together in god, unless unconditional love can torture and kill what it loves, which is counter intuitive. Can you solve this little conundrum? Please enlighten. Regards DL

John 6 ; 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered. Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye. These quotes seem to want to separate the world of mater from the spiritual world. If you have a spiritual thinking example for me, it might help me understand it's relationship to matter and reality. Do you have an example of spiritual thinking? Is spiritual thinking supposed to ignore the real world? Regards DL

Scriptures and good sense indicate that respect has to be earned. In here, words are all I have to go by. Some peoples thinking just does not deserve respect. Respecting what does not deserve respect is how the world has ended up with the mainstream religions idol worshiping a genocidal and infanticidal god whose religions preaches homophobia and misogyny and refuses to give all souls equality. You go ahead and respect that if you want to. I will not. That is spiritual thinking. Regards DL

Perception happens in our mind/consciousness. that is produced by our brains, which are matter and a part of materialism. Please read the post just above to see what Gnostic Christian Jesus thought. Regards DL

I have claimed apotheosis or theosis and have transcended to know that both the body, via the brain and mind are connected to all we can know. That happened before I found this following Gnostic Christian view. Gnostic Jesus was questioned as to what sees the vision? http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/maps/primary/mary.html The Saviour answered and said, 'He does not see through the soul nor through the spirit, but the mind which [is] between the two - that is [what] sees the vision...' For where the mind is, there is the treasure. Christianity does not quite agree, wording wise, with us. Matthew 6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. The treasure is in you and all you know enters you through your mind and consciousness. The mind is more of where the treasure is than the heart. Regards DL

Life is built on death. Life and reality are a collective hunch. Without known words, those hunches can never be expressed. Regards DL

You are describing Gnosis. That or one finding what Yung and Freud called their Father Complex. I like your thinking. Regards DL

Thanks for this. Regards DL

Such things are subjective and tuned to your own thinking. I am not a mind reader and if I go too far, you have your ban hammer. Regards DL

You are talking of a Jewish book that they applied Midrash to. Any father who would kill his son is not a moral man, be he Abraham or anyone else. Any god who would ask for such a sin is a prick of a high order. Satanic in fact. Think like a Jew. I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental trash that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths. https://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2 Further. http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03132009/watch.html Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it." Please listen as to what is said about the literal reading of myths. "Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning." Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets. This is how early Gnostic Christians view the transition from reading myths properly to destructive literal reading and idol worship. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D Regards DL

Yet I am having the bible quoted to me constantly and you allow that dogma. If a double standard is what you are going to use then ----- Regards DL

The issue is a moral one. A myth is to be interpreted. Not to be read literally. I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental trash that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths. https://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2 Further. http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03132009/watch.html Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it." Please listen as to what is said about the literal reading of myths. "Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning." Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets. This is how early Gnostic Christians view the transition from reading myths properly to destructive literal reading and idol worship. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D Regards DL

If you assume that talking serpents and donkeys are true, I would question your fitness in thinking. If you are to quote the bible so much instead of speaking to the issues, quote where it says that some prophets are corrupt and if you want to perfect your wisdom, you have to get out of the Christian corrupted dogma. Regards DL

The bible belies your foolish thinking. You should consider reading it. Modern Gnostic Christians name our god "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves. You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I. The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation. In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus. That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian. Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught. Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4IlppSgU The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural and literal reading of myths. Regards DL

You do not have that power and never will get it from your genocidal son murdering prick of a god. Regards DL

No moral human would. Regards DL

Learned, while scriptures say that god is perfect and never changes. Nice to hear that you would send your child to die instead of being man enough to do it yourself. You are the first I meet who is such a vile father. So much for women and children first. Cowards can never be moral, coward. Regards DL

I have never seen it but that is the Christian take. Ditto on your first. Jesus was not given that divine power until Constantine forced the stupid Trinity concept down the church's throat. Whatever Jesus wanted to say was said by Rome that authored the bible. They, fortunately, forgot to take out some of the better stuff that the Gnostic Jesus said. Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught. Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail. Regards DL

You ignored the question in the O.P. and deflected to your ridiculous Trinity concept. This is a moral question and you have shown that you do not have good morals. Regards DL

Yes he would, as he had to run away from them often enough when he saw the abuses of the Jewish traditions. They tried to stone him, what, 3 times? Regards DL

I have in official records and it leads to corrupt politicians and other white collar criminals. W T hell. It is only our kids that we do not seem to care about. Regards DL

Let us look at what Jesus taught shall we? Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin. Where do you see Jesus/Yahweh saying the opposite of those quotes and going against the law he said he came to fulfil, even though you think he came to break his own law? Regards DL