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@SerpaeTetra Quite a few - Reuters, Associated Press, ABC12, Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post are pretty credible sources. However, you need to adopt a workflow for the consumption and verification of news and media in general. I use https://mediabiasfactcheck.com to understand the leanings/tendencies of an outlet to gauge how reliable a piece of information would be. Snopes (https://www.snopes.com/) is a great to tool you can use to guard against fake news.

@ivankiss Do you think such a thing would be reproducible in front of a camera, for example? As you've stated, the event was viewed and acknowledged by two different individuals. So we cannot dismiss it as "your mind playing tricks on you due to stress". I'm not being skeptical or anything, I legitimately see the falsity of the materialist worldview. It just that, these kinds of things should be so common, that someone should've definitely gathered evidence enough to challenge a materialist by now. Doesn't make sense why that hasn't happened yet.

@Leo Gura At first glance, the scene seems to depict Stage-Red brutality, but reading the backstory took me by surprise quite a bit. One might think the defenseless women are being brutalized by the warriors, but it's quite the contrary. The women in the painting (the "Sabine women") are actually intervening in order to stop the fighting between the two groups - the Romans and the Sabines. And the shocking thing? It actually works, the Romans and the Sabines agree to stop fighting and live happily ever-after (lol wtf), a strange outcome considering these times were rife with barbarity.

@Vipassana Oh alright cool. No I haven't listened to 20+ hours of his content, so it's possible I am being too judgemental after reading a few internet articles about him from a while ago. Thanks for the link, will check it out.

This is something I could never understand in a long time. I can see how someone can be "unconditionally loving". But I fail to see how someone can unconditionally love someone or something i.e. I don't see how unconditional love can be objective. And this boils down to a problem with identity. Let me elaborate. Consider that you, the subject, unconditionally love Leo at some timestamp T. Sometime later, assume he said something really bad to you, but you still love him because your love is unconditional. Now tomorrow, Leo uploads a video saying he was bullshitting you the entire time, that all this enlightenment stuff is nonsense - quite a radical shift in the man you thought was Leo, but you still love him. The day after, you find out that he is a raging psychopath serial killer, but you still love him, because it's unconditional. Now I will take the liberty to get a little crazier, it's a thought experiment after-all. Let's assume Leo is in-fact a shape-shifting alien, and he changes his body into that of an alien, completely unrecognizable. At this stage, both Leo's mind and body has changed completely from what it was at time T, wherein you were 'unconditionally' loving towards him. In other words, every identifying characteristic of the entity 'Leo' has completely changed. But your love is unconditional, so your are still loving towards this alien entity ... okay. Now tell me, is this entity even Leo anymore? No it's not. Leo's existence in the universe was always a conditional reality. That is, if{condition 1} AND if{condition 2} AND if{condition 3} are true, THEN "Leo Gura". It doesn't make sense to "unconditionally" do something to a conditional object. So unconditionally loving someone or something fails at the logical level. Either this, or I'm missing something super obvious.

@Vipassana This is disinformation and not true at all. Raymond Tomlinson built the first mail server on ARPANET in 1971. This Shiva guy is a known conspiracy theory lunatic. He actually wrote some crap email software and named it as 'EMAIL' in his patent leading to all of these claims... sneaky bastard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva_Ayyadurai I'm not sure if this qualifies as a "high consciousness resource".

[SUSPENDED] Reason: Not getting anywhere.

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@WaveInTheOcean Love is not neutral. Neutral would be neither loving not hateful, correct me if I'm wrong. I suspect I'm just wasting time with word games at this point. @Nahm I am getting rusty, and feel like I'm stagnating and not getting anywhere. What in your opinion would be the most efficient way to move forward? I'm not in a position to be able to access psychedelics safely. Would appreciate any advice.

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@Leo Gura I see. Why do you think it's Love instead of something else? Why not Neutral? I understand why "Why" questions might be hard here since I assume God preempts Causality. One more question, is God's love towards His creation implicative of other things that we normally associate with love? For example, if you love someone, it means you might take care of them, protect them, feed them etc. But I notice, to my horror, that Love can be independent of such things. Is God capable of being a mass-murdering psychopath whilst simultaneously being infinitely loving to His victims?

@Gili Trawangan I completely agree. Yes, this is something which makes sense to me. So I'm assuming you are in agreement with the original hypothesis? @Synchronicity Got it. So when I say, "I unconditionally love Leo", I am including all Leos - alien Leos, all humans-on-planet-Earth Leos, water bottle Leos (lol) etc. In other words, any objective implication of unconditional love is, in fact, universal. So we agree objective implications are logically incorrect? Their universal alternative is the correct and only expression of unconditional love?

@Nahm Hmmm ... I still don't see it. @DivineSoda Yeah. God being unconditionally loving towards His creation is understandable. But the creation is MADE out of love? Wtf! @Inliytened1 Let's say the universe we are basing our assumptions on is dualistic. We can't appeal to non-duality here because it will collapse too much stuff. Even the word "you" is logically inconsistent in a non-dual universe, you see? @Synchronicity Being "unconditionally loving' = no problem. Unconditionally loving something or someone = logical fallacy, that is the argument, please see. There's no "all states of Leo". Leo is completely gone, because the existence of Leo is limited through conditions/boundaries. @Nak Khid If unconditional love is directed at an object, then the argument absolutely allows for transformation of said object, in order to test and see if the "unconditional" nature of the love still holds. No no, that's not correct at all. "Unconditional love" is not a "vow", unconditional love is unconditional love. No offense, but I feel your understanding of even the surface of the argument is very limited. The core of my hypothesis has completely flown over your head. It's probably my fault, maybe I didn't make it clear enough.

@Serotoninluv Got it. Not to be disrespectful, but I feel I didn't get my point across clearly. The water bottle thing was just an example, I'm trying to convey that any statement, "I unconditionally love <insert anything you'd like here>" seems to be a logically incorrect statement. But I don't want to be too pedantic about it. Yes, love is something I can never grasp. That is another huge mystery for me. I've tried to 'latch on' and examine what love really is, but I only seem to be grasping at what arises as a result of love, not what it actually is. Thanks for your answer.

@Serotoninluv I agree that it is possible to be 'unconditionally loving', indiscriminate love - yes of course. But can we agree that it is not possible to unconditionally love Leo Gura, or Mike Tyson, or my dog or my water bottle because all of those are conditional? The statement "I unconditionally love my water bottle." is a logical fallacy, is it not?

@Nahm I still don't understand how that's possible. Let us assume the universe is all 'that which is'. You say 'that which is' is made out of unconditional love. But 'that which is' is conditional, is it not? How can something conditional be made out of something unconditional? Anything unconditional would simply dissipate and encompass the entire universe wouldn't it? It seems to me that it cannot exist in isolation.

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Thank you. I appreciate the input.

How did you shake off Fear? Fear of death, specifically. And the subsequent letting go of attachments - family, friends, possessions etc.?

But the Creation seems to be very intricately designed, as if on purpose. Everything is so finely balanced, atoms, molecules, stars, planets, galaxies, physical laws, photosynthesis. But you say, "God cannot control what it is at all". How is such fine balance possible without control? Wouldn't the universe, consequently, be a random mess instead?

@montecristo The more you evolve, the harder it becomes to 'hang on'. The tether becomes thinner and thinner. Ramana Maharishi used to do this, he used his desire for food as a tether, but even then couldn't hold on for long. Sadhguru has said how his survival was ensured through complex manipulation of life-energies. It depends on your level of mastery. Swami Vivekananda for example was not very skilled at this, and died at 39. Things are different in crazy people, energy misalignment, not energy overflow. People on the path of Kriya Yoga are usually more capable of 'holding on', but you have to let go at some point, and dive into the Infinite Current. Personally, at 100+ days of Kriya Yoga, the dream-like nature of life is becoming more and more obvious to me, I'm like, what the fuck?! I am so scared of the Unknown that I am purposefully involving myself in politics, trying to get outraged etc., so that I can avoid going there. I am explicitly denying that which is right in front of me.

@Chumbimba Congratulations! You did well. It's a shame that they edited out a lot of what you said.

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