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@Scholar I dont wish to debate with you anymore.... you are just rehashing the same points over and over again. Try to see your own shortcomings, and I will do the same. Peace

On that topic of going beyond veganism and into the realms of spirituality (and epistemology, for that matter), you are still being dogmatic. Yes, this goes for pretty much everything, and yes, that includes incredibly evil issues such as human trafficking, holocaust, slavery, etc. I know it sounds radical, but all ideology is ultimately untenable. The pre/trans fallacy is also prevalent here. You have to appreciate your underlying assumptions. Why is eating animals bad? Why is eating insects not bad? Why are eating vegetables not bad? Slavery was completely acceptable as a social system just awhile back. Today's system is just slavery manifested in different ways. I emphasise that I do not advocate factory farming in any way.

Yes definitely! I think the lab grown meat market has huge potential. I never dismissed these possibilities. But you adopt the view that eating animals is inherently bad. Yes it's less sustainable than insects, but I feel that you are being ideological about this position. Are you not being moralistic here?

Hello! I would just like to add my two cents to this topic. I see so many senseless strawman arguments in this thread it's ridiculous. Yes it's good to be vegan, but when only an individual adopts this position it doesn't really change much. It has to be a collective effort. There is plenty of evidence to show that society is slowly moving towards this direction, which is good, but I find it ultimately unsustainable. What we want to strive for is sustainable, conscious animal farming. But it takes a long time before we're there, society is still heavily reliant on factory farming for profit. I think that first we will go through a phase of increased socialism, as we can see. But then after some time we will see the limits of that and how unsustainable it is, then slowly society will inch towards a more yellow paradigm. We need to stop demonizing spiral dynamics, I think it happens on a subconscious level "oh this guy is so blue / orange / green, I'm so much more developed than him I'm better than him". This is a huge, huge trap and a manifestation of spiritual ego. If you adopt this very sort of thinking you are not embodying tier 2 values. Also, we need to stop using spiritual terminology to demonize others. And stop idolizing Leo and start thinking independently about his work. Spread love!

One of the biggest traps of this work - criticizing and developing a spiritual ego...

"Ideology isn't about the content, looking from a meta-perspective, it's how you hold the beliefs and the emotional attachment and building an identity out of it." Exactly. I think what many people fail to understand is that you can advocate for a position and not be ideological and attached to it. Basically, always be open minded and always remember that all perspectives are partial truths.

Thanks! Very helpful.

feel u bru

What are you guys favourite movies in this regard? I love thought provoking movies! Haha

The pitfalls of science and its methodologies, how to improve science as a whole. Touched on here and there in previous videos but I think a separate video is warranted!

Do whatever you wanna do. Your emotions dictate your actions. Just deploy awareness throughout your actions and serendipity falls into place.

I feel that this is only an venture that people would undertake if they were aware of their need for it. Also, I feel that human nature is selfish and that most people would only do things to serve their agenda. So what strategies would you guys propose to achieve this? How can you convince others that this is necessary?

I think people who wants to "do good" to others tends to just impose their ideologies on to them. Which is basically just more conditioning. People need to be taught more how to think, instead of what to think. Structure over content. Critical thinking is your best friend. I think basically what my op boils down to is: is it worth trying to preach your advocacy for pursuing higher consciousness? Or should you just help those who take the initiative and are more open to this work?

@Knock Life purpose @Shiva Yea of course everything starts from within which is primary but what strategies would you use to promote this! Education, marketing etc

I made a poem. Keeping the Faith Again and again I relapse, The end does not seem in sight. What is there to fear? I fear nothing but the absolute. My body and my mind are divided, Like a perverse form of cognitive dissonance, I long for the light, the end of the tunnel. I run and I run. Maybe it’s time to embrace the expedition. I keep the faith, I pray to a higher being for hope to the end But I realize that the end, the beginning and the journey is one. Everything is as it should be.

"Think for yourself, question authority. Throughout human history, our species has faced the frightening, terrorizing fact that we do not know who we are, or where we are going in this ocean of chaos, it has been the authorities, the political, the religious, the educational authorities who attempted to comfort us by giving us order, rules, regulations, informing, forming in our minds their view of reality. To think for yourself you must question authority and learn how to put yourself in a state of vulnerable, open-mindedness; chaotic, confused vulnerability, to inform yourself." - Timothy Leary “We are caged by our cultural programming. Culture is a mass hallucination, and when you step outside the mass hallucination you see it for what it’s worth.” “What civilization is, is 6 billion people trying to make themselves happy by standing on each other’s shoulders and kicking each other’s teeth in. It’s not a pleasant situation.” “It’s clearly a crisis of two things: of consciousness and conditioning. We have the technological power, the engineering skills to save our planet, to cure disease, to feed the hungry, to end war; but we lack the intellectual vision, the ability to change our minds. We must decondition ourselves from 10,000 years of bad behavior. And, it’s not easy.” “Culture is a perversion. It fetishizes objects, creates consumer mania, it preaches endless forms of false happiness, endless forms of false understanding in the form of squirrelly religions and silly cults. It invites people to diminish themselves and dehumanize themselves by behaving like machines. “Television is by nature the dominator drug par excellence. Control of content, uniformity of content, repeatability of content make it inevitably a tool of coercion, brainwashing, and manipulation.” “We are told ‘no’, we’re unimportant, we’re peripheral. ‘Get a degree, get a job, get a this, get a that.’ And then you’re a player, you don’t want to even play in that game. You want to reclaim your mind and get it out of the hands of the cultural engineers who want to turn you into a half-baked moron consuming all this trash that’s being manufactured out of the bones of a dying world.” “It’s all about love… making someone else’s existence just a little easier. Nothing else matters, I know this now.” ALL TERENCE MCKENNA

Love from Singapore!