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European empires were oppressive to whites as well. Sectarian,religious and nationalistic wars claimed millions of lives in europe. Both the two world wars which originated in europe killed over a hundred million people. This was followed by the cold war between european nations, and the present russia-ukraine/nato war. The two world wars mainly fought between european nations had a positive in the global south perspective, in that it weakened the european powers to the point that they could not hold on to their colonies anymore, and many gained independence and became major powers in their own right. The fact that most european powers became second-rate powers in the new global order is one of the reasons why they decided to unite to form the EU and NATO so as to become a strategic power again, forgetting their past history of numerous conflicts and linguistic differences temporarily at least. At present they are using cultivated hatred against Russia to create unity and cohesion among themselves, but I am not sure whether they can stand on their own without a common external enemy to hate as a uniting force.

Comparatively speaking, the british had better value systems, and superior administrative, technological, legal and sociological structures compared to other european nations. This could be due to its geographic isolation that prevented numerous foreign invasions and resulting in long periods of stability, peace and consequent progress instead of regression in war and chaos. It's small size also brought about superior administrative skills and technological growth to make the most of their limited resources through necessity, similar to Japan. Har Dayal Sharma was an Indian freedom fighter who lived in europe , and after his observations there, came to the above conclusion that the Brits were superior to the other nations in europe. He even wrote a book praising British characteristics and comparing them favorably to other european nations. The Brits in India got hold of this book and even printed it at their own expense, as they were flattered by its theme. Consequently there was a moderate to good relationship between the UK and India even after India's independence. This was in stark contrast to the persistent hostility between the Dutch and Indonesia, the French and Vietnam/Algeria, Germany and Namibia, Italy and Libya, Portugal and Angola, Spain and Phillipines, Belgium and Congo,and so on in modern times due to large-scale atrocities and genocides perpetrated. Even in ancient europe, the atrocities of the romans in their european colonies antagonised much of their colonies to rebellion resulting in strife and conflict for many centuries.

India was a singular entity in religious scriptural history under emperor Yudhisthira, and in official recorded history as well under the emperors Chandragupta Maurya (350–295 BCE), Bindusara (320 BCE – 273 BCE), Ashoka the Great(304 – 232 BCE), Samudragupta (335–375 CE)and Vikramaditya (375-415 CE) to name a few. Adi Shankaracharya in the eighth century CE created four mathas or monasteries in the four distant corners of India showcasing its cultural unity. This singular identity and sovereignty was used by Indian freedom fighters and leaders to project their future vision of India back then during the freedom struggle against western colonialism. The Brits themselves were colonised by the Romans for centuries and the later Normans who now form the snobbish british upper class and suppressed the local english population. Much of the earlier Norman rulers of Britain only used French and did not even know english. Through conquest of Ireland and Scotland, the norman rulers created the foundation of modern UK as well.

Siddhis or psychic abilities are no major deal if you ask me. I myself as a conditioned atheist-materialist-rationalist teenager used to scoff and disparage theism and psychic abilities as baseless superstitions. However one of the greatest ironies for me was that I myself developed such psychic abilities later on through meditation and satsang (company of enlightened sages). I have met others as well who have such abilities. My perception is that anyone can develop psychic abilities if they put in the right efforts.

Ram Dass was not enlightened and he was experimenting with it without much knowledge. Neem Karoli Baba advised against drugs and only told him to use it if he was highly conscious or Self-aware... https://www.ramdass.org/ram-dass-gives-maharaji-the-yogi-medicine/ NKB played a prank on Ram Dass , taking a large amount of drugs at one occasion, only to have no tangible effects whatsoever due to his enlightened state. This could have affected any other unenlightened person adversely.

I thought this thread was related to the ongoing heat wave in europe that has led to the deaths of nearly 4000 people this year even before peak summer heat has begun. Around 15000 people died in europe in the 2025 heatwaves. Europe is the fastest warming continent in the world, and I would say its environmental issues should take greater priority at the eyes of its leaders at present to prevent further such tragedies.

Drugs will not lead to a permanent state of nondual or unitary perception, known as nirvikalpa samadhi in sanskrit. It can help one to get a glimpse into higher states of consciousness with artificial means. However regular use of them instead of using meditation can lead to addiction to such drugs. Cravings for drugs actually create more vasanas or psychological impressions that strengthens duality rather than creating nonduality. Many crimes have been committed under the influence of drugs. The Nazis used drugs to stifle their sensibilities during their numerous crimes against civilians during invasions, though it is part of soldiering conduct not to harm civilians. The enlightened master Meher Baba stated that " Enlightenment is not found in a pill. " No user of drugs ever in the history of the world has attained the bliss and joy found in enlightenment. The bliss of enlightenment is also of a permanent nature in stark contrast to that of the temporary highs of drugs and alcohol charecterised by painful hangovers later on. Repeated use of drugs can also damage the capacity to meditate. Osho had talked on the nature of drugs ... https://www.oshotimes.com/insights/health/mind/understanding-addictions/ https://oshofriends.com/counseling/25566?__cf_chl_f_tk=RbUE3GRjnZBx7_74tdTc7FUm2O3nUz5CHQCVo.6JTOc-1783311572-1.0.1.1-qC_AAdLDjH0bKueYe61bBXwtWnr92JXMxGiG6uVMGGc https://oshofriends.com/counseling/32474

Lions and tigers eat other animals for survival. They do not kill other animals abundantly to deposit them in a bank account or convert them into good looking furniture. Due to human activity related to hunting, habitat destruction and poaching, around 60 percent of global animal population in the last 50 years have become extinct, as per scientists, which shows how dysfunctional humans have become and out of sync with nature, existence and environment around them. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/30/humanity-wiped-out-animals-since-1970-major-report-finds Also, due to heavy hunting and poaching, most lions and tigers are close to extinction. India is the only country that has at present lions, tigers, leopards, snow leopards and cheetahs in its jungles at present. European trophy hunters have been accused of mass murder of even endangered animals like cheetahs for their skins, and which are essentially harmless to humans. I had created a thread in this regard.. As I said earlier, thought is a double-edged sword that has both destructive and constructive aspects, and how it is wielded depends on the consciousness of the one who wields it. Many great civilizations came down due to a lower state of consciousness in its leaders. Germany had the best philosophers, scientists and engineers in the world in the first half of the twentieth century, but poor leadership by the likes of Wilhelm Kaiser and Adolf Hitler brought the nation down to ruin and disrepute through the two world wars which originated in europe. U.G.Krishnamurti have also expounded on the destructive aspect of thought, and have lamented that it is not used for functionality alone. Some sayings of his in this regard...

"Love is the natural condition of all experience before thought has divided it into a multiplicity and diversity of objects, selves and others." ~ Rupert Spira "Love is not sensation; it is a flame without smoke... When the heart is empty of the things of the mind, and the mind is empty of thought, then is there love. That which is empty is inexhaustible." ~ Jiddu Krishnamurti “In any relationship, especially marriage, be as free of compulsive thinking as possible. In other words, the more space there is in the relationship - inner space - the more love there is because love arises out of the inner spaciousness.” ~ Eckhart Tolle You are solidified silence, awareness. A thousand hours of speech cannot equal one glance: a hundred glances cannot equal a minute of silence. ~ Sri Sri Ravi Shankar

What you have written shows a simplistic understanding of Krishnamurti as well as poor comprehension skills which would explain why you have not profitted from it, while I know of others who had a quantum leap in terms of gains from the same. Krishnamurti has stated the importance of thought in our practical affairs as in engineering or planning or writing. You can use thought for practical purposes as in planning or scheduling activities and then switch it off. Most people don't how to switch it off and consequently suffer from burnout from incessant thinking and emoting leading to anxiety, absent-mindedness and a host of psychological and physiological issues in the long run. Krishnamurti also derides the tendency of thought to create divisive images and which damages relationships at an individual and collective level. https://www.krishnamurti.org/transcript/thought-and-its-limitations/ Thought based on its conditioning creates psychological self-images at a dualistic level which is bound to result in conflict if the other does not conform to the field of likes and dislikes of the self-image. You can see that all wars and conflicts based on religion, nation and ideology have corresponding self-images of Jihadi, crusader, Zionist, Russian, American, European, capitalist , socialist, communist and so on. Animals and birds do not fight each on the basis of religion, nationality and ideology and they usually migrate through man-made borders without visas or passports and so on, much to the wonder and amazement of human beings not used to the same. Thought can be used by human beings constructively for developing material well-being, and it can also be used destructively due to psychological insecurities emanating from the self-images created by thought. A time may come when the destructive aspect of thought far outweighs its constructive aspects. Due to the divisiveness caused by thought in human relationships, Krishnamurti and other nondual teachers emphasize choiceless awareness or consciousness emptied of psychological content or presence as a better tool for developing and sustaining human relationships. This is bound to bring a quantum leap in relationships at the individual and collective level for the better.

Jiddu Krishnamurti's book 'Freedom from the known' is considered to be his greatest work, and essential to understand the theme of his teachings on the nature of the mind, thought, origin of desire, sensation, ego, self-knowledge and so on in all his subsequent works. This is now available freely on the internet. Some insightful excerpts from the book on the nature of pleasure and cravings...

https://www.economist.com/europe/2026/06/11/ukraines-war-is-now-longer-than-the-first-world-war https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/11/world/europe/ukraine-russia-world-war-i.html As per this report, the war in Ukraine has surpassed the duration of the First World War. The two World Wars which originated in europe on the basis of military alliances killed over a hundred million people. Historians state that poor and incompetent diplomacy and negotiations was a major reason for the world wars. It looks like this latest european war might break past world records in world wars.

Durability under all possible situations and circumstances can be seen as evidence enough. Yes, there are some principles that are tested enough adequately, and which can serve as lighthouses or beacons to navigate through the seeming chaos.

If it is just a theory that's subject to change would obviously mean that the principle in question is not tested enough.

Well, I like to read books dealing with principles that can be tested rather than stories. Stories or narratives emerging from someone's viewpoint tend to be biased as the vast majority of humanity is unconscious and portraying events in tones of black and white as per their conditioned subjective outlooks. And this subjectivity is similar or varies to the subjectivity of other human beings leading to consensus or conflicts respectively, but rarely leading to the truth.