MrWolf

Curious. As there is clearly "someone there" and a sharp intellect. Are you experiencing any of the things you are conceptualising ore is it just "to keep you on your toes" as your footer says?

Kurt Gödel might second you on that one but ok..

I like dualingo

Hi everyone. I been having some experiences lately that I hope some of you could help me shed some light on to what’s going on. - So this got a lot longer than I anticipated. But that’s how it goes I guess. So If you have the patience to read throughout it. Thank you. Theres is a long backstory like always :). But to cut it short, it has involved a classic massive existential crises from losing “everything” and a complete chattering of my identity. Leading both to immense beauty and despair. Witch at fist led me back into an old lover; Philosophy, to try and find answers, witch I felt in the end let me to the limits of philosophy/logic. A deep dive into psychoanalysis and philosophy kind of stranded, exemplified for me by this notion by Hegel: “The thought of contradiction is the essential moment of the concept” and Lacan´s “I think where I am not, therefore I am where I do not think.”. At this point I started feeling kind of like a recovering "intellectual". Suddenly it made sense to me when OSHO say: “Baybe!.. My whole job is to confuse you”. But to cut to the chase, I then did the online inner engineering course by Sadhguru some time ago (Not the initiation into shambhavi mahamudra). And I been practicing the Isha Kriya + 7xA 7xU 7xM + 21xAUM meditation every morning and then just the Kriya again in the evening. I didn’t really have any expectations about it to be honest. Just taking it like an experiment to see if anything would happen. I did it in kind of the same spirit as brushing my teeth I guess. From what I have read its supposed to be a very sudle and gentle process. And I have also seen it referred to as a watered-down version of Kriya yoga here on the forum. And I have heard Sadhguru say that its a safe practise where nothing crazy will happen to you. So 21 days into the 48 day madela, I had the fist experience, where for just a few seconds, a taste of bliss rolled trough me. It was fine, pleasant and quite sudle. Then for the next days things stated moving around between my dick and my anus during the two practices. It feels like tingeling + something moving around. Like a fetus moving around in an egg, the area being the egg. Around the same time, not during meditation, I had an experience where everything suddenly went silent. My existential crisis and loss of identity has led me into a purpose search spiral, (that I have noticed im not the only one getting caught in this confusion). For a long long time I had the feeling that this is the thing im gonna do/be, but then it collapsed. Like this is not it, again ´this is it-this is not it´,´this is it - this is not it´on and on to the point where it was driving me so crazy that I started thinking if no matter what I come up with is not “IT” any longer, then maybe really all of it is it.. Ore it and neither it at the same time, so to say. Like the purpose is not having to ask the question in the first place, but again it has to go full circle, back to where it started. Anyways, what triggered this experience of silence/emptiness was, -in my trying to understand- listening to different talks on non-doership. And in one talk, one woman from the audience told a story of a mosquito landing on her shoulder and her hand just smacking it by itself. Somehow that simple story just made everything go completely silent. For the first few days I feel like having no thoughts. Thoughts suddenly felt just like a toolbox I could pull out if I wanted to ore just leave it in the closet otherwise. My irritation towards others opinions completely disappeared. that witch would previously get me annoyed didn't bother me the slightest anymore. I noticed some reactions happening automatically in the body like it was just a learned pattern that was just happening by itself. But It was just the body doing its thing. And at the same time I also started being unsure of my exact location. Having trying to located where I am before I have had the experience of being kind of more in my visual filed the behind my eyes. But now it has gotten intensified. I started doubting if I was going mad. I had a family weekend that I was getting uncertain if I could handle. Like if I could act sane if that makes sense.. But in the end it went fine. I had just before that cut down on the practise and just stuck to the kriya not to ruin the madela. Morning and evening and skipping the AUM. But now to the reason for my post. This morning doing the kriya ( I started adding the AUM back again yesterday as I now felt integrated with the experiences ). But after the “Im not the body, Im not even the mind” During the 7xAaaaa it got intense. A bit of tingeling like before between the A & D and then suddenly my body just started lifting up from my seat and down into the seat in a rhythm of woooom… woooom …woooom bouncing up and down, up and down. I have never had any experience like this. I know there was no physical movement happening. But it was as real as real. I stuck trough the kriya, kind of hoping I would not blow up, and I did not. But it was a wild experience. I have a job for the fist time In a long time in a week that I have to be functional at and my feeling is I can’t go further right now into the experience. Im already balancing my sanity at this point I feel. As I have understod it these exercises is ment to ground you in your root/muladhara. But my experience is that they make me take off. And it feels like a bigger engine in warming up to shoot me somewhere I have no idea where is. So today after this experience my feeling is that I should take my foot of the pedal. Even thou I haven’t even completed the 48 day madela of something that is just supposed to ground me!. I do have some on of experience with labelling meditation and do-nothing. So im aware of the the state where, even just a small gap between mind/body and awareness, the process is on for me. But this thing seams to go waaaay beyond that. This process is on a whole other level from my experience so far. There are some energies at play that I have no idea of yet. And I have a lot of respect for that I guess. Ill admit that I am on the cautious side with these things. I like to keep up with the process to some extend I guess. Im not especially kind to my body to be honest. I do eat very healthy naturally, but other than that not much in that direction. I do have a feeling that at this point maybe I have to shift somehow into taking more care of my body before continuing the process. Am I being over sensitive about the whole thing? I do have a feeling that things are gonna go really fast if I continue. In some sense I feel like its already on, and its just a question on how fast in some way. To context a bit more, I can add that im also sensitive to pshycadellics. I have taken 1/4 of what others have taken, with them feeling nothing at all, and I get blow away. But for alcohol its the opposite. I can drink as much as i can stand and it never changes my personality at all. It never has as long as I can remember, not even the slightest. In contrary to what I notice in others. My experiential field changes but I dont if that makes sense. Also I should maybe say that for the last year I have been taking the opportunity of Corona to just spending time alone. So I have been alone close to 99% of the time for more than a year. To the point of hearing my own voice is a funny experience. My post I basically just about the bouncing wooom wooom wooom experience. The rest is just more ore less relevant context that I could come up with. I haven’t been able to find any similar experiences described. The tingle and the moving around down there, I have seen described as Kundalini. But the bouncing? I have heard yoga masters say that it is extremely rare to get an accidental kundalini awakening. Though YouTube is full of people saying exactly that’s what happened to them. Am I messing with kundalini unintentionally here? I do not feel comfortable fooling around with that energy without anyone to guide me to be honest. But maybe it has nothing to do with that and im just being a spiritual baby ? ? And its just a .. well I dont know what is is.

@Gesundheit Ok. Your using a different definition of desire then the normal. You distinguish between simple needs and objects of desire. Then I understand you. Lack is an extremely interesting phenomenon. Something I find really interesting. Lack as the direct consequences of split (Experience/Duality). But yes lets not flood this tread with lack. Maybe another time.

Thats an interesting idea/observation. Very original. Kind of making the compulsion conscious by creating it yourself. (I like your YT Video on meaning)

Ill take my own experience and observations before someone who calls me Mr Ego-mind any time. Ore even Osho, Sadhguru ore Gautama the Buddha´s words, who coincide with my own experience on the matter of desire. You are just philosophising and making shit up. Do you feel desire-less? Drive(Desire) Is our fucking fule. Its the life force! It all about how to use it. Its StarWars! Look what happens to people who denounce desire. They end up fucking small boys when no one is looking. Good luck living without desire. Its at totally stupid idea that is being babbeled out everywhere by Greenies.

Thats so beautifully put <3

Id heavily question the possibility of existing in the world without any desires. Without desire there is no existence. Desire is not inherently bad. Its the life force. Being desireless means you have no identification with your desires; your desires are only about what is needed. You have no personal identity with the desires that you play with.

All of them

Thats a lot of good advices to take control of the situation. But if you dont change the root it will just shift onto another compulsion. Then ok on can live on willpower/fighting rest of ones life. And are you gonna live in the woods to not be tempted by objects of desire? The only way out is awareness. Put you temptation right in front of you and look at it! Maybe read Allen Carr's Easy Way to Quit Smoking Without Willpower. And replace the cigarette with YT

He is a clear symptom of an absence of meaning and direction in the world. He´s cure looks like demanding meaning and direction in defence against nihilism and his own anxiety. I mean he helps a lot of people i hear. I just wish for people that he will be a small and quick steppingstone. He´s fight and entanglement in he´s own opinions is killing him. I hope he gives up at some point and surrenders.

Exactly.

The idea of having a special personal thing that you are born to fulfill is a childish idea. Its a longing for significans,..A longing to be something. Its an very understandable idea that one can have compassion for the wish. Basically we just want to loose ourselves in something. But this can only be done trough total involvement and awarenesses. If there is such "one true" passion It can only be the same for all of us. To become everything.

Well your The_Alchemist

Lmao! I never in my life thought id hear zizek say "brother" ! Loved it.

Just wanted to share these these two brothers!

So witch one is it?

You are living. How can you live without knowing what life is? You are eating an orange. How can you eat an orange without knowing what an orange is? You are typing. How can you type without knowing what hands are?

What is your "one true" passion?

Hey @Philipp I think you will finde Cadells Last´s work interesting then. https://cadelllast.com/ We are a group having fun exploring the unconscious in the field between psychoanalysis, spirituality and science. Personally im really interested in the field between traditional yoga and psychoanalysis. I find psychoanalysis to be a mind blowing tool to Analyse the world. Zizek being one of todays masters. Personally I, like Leo, feel the emphasis on sex is out of proportion but not dumb thou. And sex itself IS also out of proportion today because of our history of moralisation and unfocused desire, pulled out of us and scattered in all directions through consumerism. So In that sense I really think it has its place. I dont really see it as the "cure" thou. From what I see there are better tools for that. Yoga being my personal interest. Its interesting how even Osho used some kind of "therapy" to get rid of all the mess as a way to start with a cleaner canvas He says: Anyways, Its ongoing and your welcome to join. You can see the the previous workshops under Cadell´s playlis "Return to Freud" on his youtube page https://www.youtube.com/TheAdvancedApes Cadell structures the meet-ups. Come join us at FB if you like to participate https://www.facebook.com/groups/2274920922769588

For a start I found meditation with Labelling to be a great first step and then transitioning to do nothing method as a second. Leo has videos on both.

But hey lets just let the point stand by themselvs. Im not looking for a battle. So lets not let that hijack this tread. I just dont agree with your observations, thats all. All best

Not at all. You say tomato Im saying the exact opposite of your tomato.

She is flirting the shit out of you! What are you waiting for?! Take some initiative man! Before she gives up on you!