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@Elliott Why have them at all?

@Leo Gura How do you know that? Have you been that conscious? If yes, then are you saying this? => you can realize that every planet is manifested from Infinity, but you can't actually do it because ego is not in control when you are that conscious, and ego just can't override that desire. If not, how do you know?

@gettoefl Can you elaborate more what you mean by that? Children are just another manifestation of your survival agenda, isn't it? But a very strong one, which requires all your effort, time, resources, energy, etc, that you can focus on different things that you are passionate about. I'm sure it will give you great meaning in life, plus if you do it right you'll grow in the process. But if you are in the business of seeing through illusions of meaning, not sure if having kids is suitable, at least till you finish that project of yours to some degree.

@Lyubov Yes I think so. I don't. Maybe it's also depended on personality type, lifestyle preference, and maybe some people just don't like children in general, who knows. For example, one of my friends who is my age has 2 children and is super happy, he always wanted to have children, since when he himself was a child. I think his upbringing made him want it, or it was brainwashing, but who knows, maybe it was deeper than that. It's not that simple, I don't feel myself being in heaven, it's not in my experience. And if I don't do something about it, it won't ever be. I don't either, it just comes down to priorities. If you want something, then challanges need to be faced and distractions avoided to achieve that thing. My point was that some things that I still want out of life, to achieve those I need to be focused on them sometimes exclusively, and having children and family would be distraction because of that. If family and children is something you want, of course maybe even spirituality becomes distraction for you. So sure, distraction and challenges are relative to what you want out of life at the current moment (can also change in the future).

@Miguel1 What do you think needs to happen for you to reconsider that and have kids after those 3-5+ years? When I think of myself, I can't imagine anything happening that will make me want to have children. As I age, I lose interest in reproduction more and more.

@Basman Did that force you to grow in ways you wouldn't be able to if you had proper emotional upbringing? Or did that make you more distant, avoidant and vulnerable from others people and relationships for example.

@LifeEnjoyer Yeah, years ago, as I remember Leo was talking from more of a metaphysical standpoint there. I was asking from more practical standpoint.

@Lyubov In what way? Just the fact that you made a living breathing thing that can be shaped in multiple ways? And that it's all your responsibility mostly and it takes growth and development on your part to succeed in that, yeah I get it. But still, if you have some unanswered questions and unfinished things in your growth journey that you want to handle, having a kid will make that process harder.

@Elliott Exactly, not a lot of people around me willing to be working on stuff like that, or even aware that those can be worked on. Thanks 🙏🏻

@Elliott What are you looking for in a women to consider her as mother of your child? Yeah that sound good but I think it will be more and more challenging as years go by, especially with advances in AI, who knows what that brings, future is very unclear.

@samijiben Yeah I don't know, to challenge yourself and create an extra meaning in your life maybe? @Basman How did that affect your childhood and growth into adulthood in general? Was it all negative? @Kid A Yeah exactly, I just don't understand how is that not the case for majority of people in first word democracies, especially today when there are so many opportunities around us. @Someone here I can watch my little niece laugh for those kinds of insights The thing is, it's okay to play with them for a while, feel that no-bullshit energy from time to time but then I always want to come back home and sit in silence. I just imagine how bad I'd feel if a constant presence of my own kid could disrupt that. I might consider owning a pet, a dog maybe, that would be a milder version of that and some nice company if I feel a need for that.

Hey, I’ve just recently turned 30, and I’ve never wanted children in my life. Especially as I get older, I’m becoming more certain that it’s not something I need or want. I feel that I still have a lot to do in the areas of spirituality and survival mastery, and having a family—especially children—would be a major distraction from that. I also intuitively feel that I would regret it later in life. The external pressure to start a family and have kids (as a kind of default life path) is also becoming increasingly annoying as I age. What do you think? Do you yourself want or have a family or children? What do you consider a proper reason for having them, aside from pure survival? I do see it as a significant growth opportunity, but at the same time, a major distraction from consciousness work—which, if someone wants to pursue seriously, should probably make them think twice about having kids. I’m especially interested in hearing opinions from women in this community, since culturally the pressure to have children tends to be stronger for women.

@Leo Gura Did you become this way after hundreds of trips or was couple God Realization trips enough for you to recognize God sober?

@Lazarus93 This got me thinking of my life tendencies as well, I think I do the similar thing, but haven't experienced Awakening yet. But in my mind some stuff is paused before I get my Awakening, at least a temporal glimpse, because I think that experience will affect my life goals. Don't you have similar experience? When you say that after Awakening you now realize that you need to focus on your life goals deeper, didn't those life goals change at least to some degree after you had your understandings?

Thanks for sharing! Do you also practice some manual spiritual practices that helped with those insights or you just take psychedelics?