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@Leo Gura What I mean is, at least for me personaly, I feel I need to go through phases of having relationships and sex, just to realize that, oh shit, those things don't solve my existential life issue. It's still there. But without going through that phase, I'm in a fantasy that relationships and sex will solve something deep in me. Which it hasn't yet. I sense that seeing that over and over again is what grows me slowly. And once I get rid of fantasies like that, then my mind focuses more on things along the lines of: okay, these didn't work, what can I do now. But also, what I realized is that I must not look at relationships or money as some ultimate solutions to existential issues, it's clear they are not that, but they have their roles and there are some needs to be met. Yea exactly. But it helps when you have some ideas of what's beyond all this survival stuff, at least in theory and possibility. It helps to not get drown into mindless survival activities for decades like an animal. Your content really helps with that.

@Leo Gura If the intention is burning through the desires, just to get more focused on more serious things later in life? Like a strategic move.

Why not? More people will hear about these concepts and teachings. It was actually quite fascinating to me, when two scientists where trying to understand what Leo had to say, you can clearly see some of the defence mechanisms in action right there if you observe. Also, it was fun and they clearly had fun doing it.

@Carl-Richard Did you got it? Through meditation alone?

@Leo Gura If they asked How questions, would you direct them to psychedelics? Would you tell them to contemplate during 5-meo-DMT trip? Won't that repel them due to psychedelic stigma? Or you would just direct them to more like a Ralston's approach, sober contemplation and deconstructing.

@Leo Gura Yea, she was actively trying to fit everything you were saying in her own existing worldview and explain it away in her own way, and not having that aha moment of wait, maybe this Leo guy is telling me something more structural, much more profound. But of course, that can't happen easily with a single conversation. Maybe they start to watch some of your content for deeper understanding. If they do, and you manage to set up a conversation next year as well, it will be much more interesting. Maybe by the second convo they have their own glimpses of the Absolute too.

One thing I noticed in the whole conversation the girl was acting and talking as though she was understanding what Leo meant, and finally in the end, maybe jokingly, but still, she said maybe she's already Awoke. @Leo Gura Is that like a defence mechanism or what? Like, "duh, I already knew all that, you've just put what I already knew in different language". And in reality, they have no I idea, they haven't even started scratching the sufrace of not-knowing for example. Do you get that often? Btw, great conversation, it was interesting and also fun to watch. Hope seeing you in these kinds of conversations more often.

Yeah, just imagine being a rationalist or relativist and hearing some guy you've never heared before talk about some absolute Truth all of a sudden.

@cistanche_enjoyer It's not just Awakening, right? Financial independence isn't only linked to Awakening for me, maybe not at all. I don't really plan to earn lots of money to be able to Awaken or something, I already got resources to do that. People have done it with few resources, as you said. It's about providing for myself and my family without too much survival pressure-cooker stress. But again, there must be better and more effective ways to Awaken (even for temporarily) then doing 1 hour of Kriya Yoga for 20 years, from what I've observed from other people's experiences.

@cistanche_enjoyer So you are telling me that it's more likely to awaken using 1-2 hour of Kriya Yoga (according to Lahiri) while you handle family, fulltime job, debt, responsibilities, house-chores, kids, etc, then to awaken with all the time in the world, all the resources that you'd need, and desire to know Truth?

@Natasha Tori Maru Is there going to be 3rd part as well? I think they just mentioned a 2nd part in the intro.

It was a nice conversation, it's actually quite refreshing, after watching lots of Leo's videos, to then watch people question it, then you get a sense of how an outside perspective would look at it, helps with standing outside of it yourself too. I see those people are struggling to get out of their human-centric point of view, which is really hard for me too, because it crosses the line of life and death itself, and it comes down to Truth being above death, because whatever death is, it's true is a sense that it's existence. It's hard to take existence's perspective over matters that can end up killing you. I think that was behind the hesitation of that Gestapo example that girl had. Excited for the second part, I think the juicy discussion of bad vs good is coming next 😂

Humor, confidence, wittiness maybe. Ability to being vulnerable.

@cistanche_enjoyer I'd like to have a free time just to live without pressure and expectations, I think lots of money would allow that, at least for some time. So, the first thing is less stress and anxiety, because daily job comes with those two. Second, I'd pursue my own creative projects more freely, because when you work full-time and have some other things going as well, it's very hard to do that, realistically. Pursuing spirituality more seriously. Now I can't just take a month off from work to go and meditate for a month straight. I can't just go and take psychedelic journeys freely because what if those destabilize me and I'm not able to work for some time? It would create issues, maybe I lose my job which supports me and my family, you know, that kind of stuff. Yeah but to get to understanding God when you have 0 idea what that refers to, and if you aren't genetically gifted that you see God by default, you need to design a lifestyle that allows it, you must not be in a survival pressure cooker all the time. You can be, and still pursue it, I don't say it's not possible, we're just talking about in what ways having lots of money would make things easier logistically at least.

@Judy2 I also have that, and as people told to me, I've to stick with it for at least couple months to gain some momentum with the practice. Doing it here and there doesn't allow the mind and body practice enough to then make it more engaging / interesting, less-agitating. I think we just have to bite the bullet and sit through the agitation over and over and over again, day in day out, and that will recondition the mind a bit over months. Or else this agitation issue won't resolve itself.