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@Clarence Maybe the best approximation of knowing that are near-death experiences? https://www.nderf.org/Archives/exceptional.html Also, there are lots of similarities in them.

@Leo Gura So, if I understood correctly, this is what you're saying: You've become conscious of Absolute nature of Reality and realised that You are an entire thing, not a piece. And that thing is Infinite and can't die, thus death is imaginary. That's the highest, Absolute perspective. But with that knowledge, you don't magically understand all the relative knowledge that can be had, like how many rocks are there on earth, how to do a brain surgery, or what happens to some random individual's conscious experience when their physical body dies. So that's still a relative domain that you can't know. Like when you don't see all the details on earth when you are standing on the moon. So, when somebody asks you what happens after death, your response is that whatever they imagine, because that's what you've experienced. But their imagenings will literally define the reality that they move into and it might be as real as the physical reality feels when body is not broken. And that imagination is depended on many things including their base consciousness level, ideologies, maybe religious indoctrination, various beliefs, even maybe genetics and Karma and infinite other variables. Is that correct? I'm just trying to make sense of what you mean, not necessarily believe it.

@tashadwoodfall Where did you do the ceremony? And didn't you have any say regarding dosage? Did Shaman at least tell you how much you were getting?

@Hojo What are the ways you know of validating this for myself? Because if doesn't feel like that to me at the moment.

@Ishanga Yes that's also what I was referencing. It's very interesting that most people experience similar NDEs Maybe under psychedelic with a changed state of consciousness, we realize the Truth that Reality is imaginary, but we still don't get all the relative knowledge, right? So what if a state after death is one of those relative things that we can't really know without actually going through it. But who really knows.

@James123 I'm not aware in deep sleep. My main question is, what happens to the awareness after the physical body breaks? What are you aware of after that? From what I've heard, it depends on what the Mind dreams in that moment, and that depends on many factors, on baseline consciousness, life's brainwashing, karma, whatever that might mean, clinginess to the physical world, etc. But that's all speculation for me at this point in my life.

@James123 I don't know, I don't remember.

@Keryo Koffa Okay, so as I understand, it can also be possible that whatever is left after death is clinging to the physical world and that they might need some assistance in realizing that they are actually dead. As I speculate, there must be many layers to what we call our individualized life that extend and stay after the physical body dies, maybe temporarily, but still, it should form some kind of form or something. And Awakening and becoming more conscious after physical death should depend on how conscious the person was before his / her death and isn't a given. But I'm not sure how I can check that.

@Salvijus Is that for real? How can I know if he's just bullshitting me or not? And again, if that's really possible, how does that fit into a reincarnation / merging with the absolute, if there still is my dad somewhere where I can contact him and he can respond somehow?

@Ishanga And if not? Can we somehow know what the conscious experience of an unconscious person becomes after their last breath or some time after that? @Leo Gura You mean if that's what they want / choose consciously? or just automatically out of their life brainwashings So basically you mean that physical death itself doesn't solve that grand issue of Self-Deception?

@Leo Gura And why do you think Near Death Experience stories are so consistent? Like for example people going through tunnels and seeing white lights. Maybe a conditioned human mind has the same unconscious tendencies of what it dreams after dying. I've heard many stories of people going through tunnels during NDEs, but not many about becoming devils. What can be the reason for that consistency? The material existence has some consistency in it, right? Like the inability to go through walls. Can the "afterlife" conscious experience have something like that as well? If it's really that infinite and without limits, Christians will probably meet Jesus and go through the selection of heaven vs hell and then go with that whole burning in the fires for infinity kind of experience. Why not? So upon physical death, instead of some Ultimate Awakening, one can continue dreaming then, but with different forms. But yeah, without experiencing Infinity, I'm just speculating, but still interesting.

@Leo Gura So Infinity means you can also talk to and experience dead relatives for example? Even if they reincarnated. I guess these are all technical details (our speculations) of how it actually works, and you are talking from a meta, more abstract point of view that you've experienced, that even if all that is true, it's still imaginary from the highest point of view. I was wondering about this question: what will my conscious experience turn into when my body physically stops working? How would the experience change? And if I can get to that same experience without physically dying.

@Leo Gura Okay, but what I don't understand is the following: If in the moment of your death, you realize the highest truth, where does that leave space for reincarnation, existing as soul or anything else? Or it isn't guaranteed that you realize anything, and just continue existing in some subtler form of dream until you reincarnate into material existence again. Also, some people report seeing ghosts or spirits of their dead relatives. How do we explain that?

@Leo Gura And why is that? Isn't he supposed to be open-minded after all his life experience? Don't you have the same kind of tendency in some areas? There are certain realizations you aren't willing to change your mind about, aren't there?

@Leo Gura A game you've been developing? Or something else? A little sneak peek maybe

@Leo Gura In my experience, a combination of cardio and some weight lifting (not anything extreme, like 30-45m training), plus healthy eating, and as a result losing the weight and being fit improved my self-esteem and self-image and as a result that improved my social interactions, including with girls. Do you call that a delusion or some other thing?

@Leo Gura I remember you working on this course a long time ago. Like years ago. Did you make changes to its content in these last years due to your own development and new life experiences? Or the Awakenings that you've had after your initial mentionings of this course have nothing to do with it's content?

Will the course be as long as LP course in length? Or shorter?

https://www.amazon.com/Post-Truth-World-Politics-Polarization-Transcending/dp/1645473554 This should be good. Comes on July 2nd.

@Leo Gura In my mind it all interconnects, like for example, health and fitness not only for the sake of having a good body but also to perform better in other areas of life. Also, something like reading books helps me to expand my understanding of how the world works, and pushes me in some directions, to get at least theoretical guidance from reading more or less meaningful books (maybe from your book list). But yes, I'd agree that one needs to have something higher, and health, books, spiritual practices, along with all the other stuff you talk about for example, can be used for deepening that thing. I don't have that at the moment, and that's why all the things I do seems shallow. Not all the time, but sometimes I think why do all these. Without a higher meaningful framework, it's easy to lose day-to-day meaning, at least for me.

@Leo Gura Would you consider working on health and fitness, spirituality, or maybe just reading books and education as mediums to create meaning? Or do you mean creative work with that here?

@Leo Gura By contemplating reality, you mean that you contemplate the metaphysics or include all the human stuff there too, such as emotions, fears, stuff like that. I'm trying to integrate this into my life as well, but mostly what I'm interested in contemplating is directly linked to my survival, like emotions, traumas, planning the future, etc. I guess that depends on where you are in life, and how much contemplation and development have you done so far.

@Leo Gura The difficulty is that work, survival, being human, and social life take so much energy, time, and resources that existential truth-seeking becomes hard, or sometimes irrelevant, or even counter-productive. I guess if one really values truth, it can be done by designing survival in a way that allows existential truth-seeking easier than most humans can. What actions would you consider taking during the truth-seeking phase? I'd guess, daily contemplation on different aspects of reality, maybe some meditation and yoga practices, occasional psychedelics, and occasional long retreats. How and in what form would you fit truth-seeking into your schedule, if you had a full-time job at the office + commute, went to the gym, had a social life, and all that stuff?

Even in that dream, God could awaken to itself, right? And if it could, then it would realize that it's dreaming, so Christianity becomes relative again, isnt it?