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@Leo Gura How do you know that? Have you been that conscious? If yes, then are you saying this? => you can realize that every planet is manifested from Infinity, but you can't actually do it because ego is not in control when you are that conscious, and ego just can't override that desire. If not, how do you know?

@gettoefl Can you elaborate more what you mean by that? Children are just another manifestation of your survival agenda, isn't it? But a very strong one, which requires all your effort, time, resources, energy, etc, that you can focus on different things that you are passionate about. I'm sure it will give you great meaning in life, plus if you do it right you'll grow in the process. But if you are in the business of seeing through illusions of meaning, not sure if having kids is suitable, at least till you finish that project of yours to some degree.

@Lyubov Yes I think so. I don't. Maybe it's also depended on personality type, lifestyle preference, and maybe some people just don't like children in general, who knows. For example, one of my friends who is my age has 2 children and is super happy, he always wanted to have children, since when he himself was a child. I think his upbringing made him want it, or it was brainwashing, but who knows, maybe it was deeper than that. It's not that simple, I don't feel myself being in heaven, it's not in my experience. And if I don't do something about it, it won't ever be. I don't either, it just comes down to priorities. If you want something, then challanges need to be faced and distractions avoided to achieve that thing. My point was that some things that I still want out of life, to achieve those I need to be focused on them sometimes exclusively, and having children and family would be distraction because of that. If family and children is something you want, of course maybe even spirituality becomes distraction for you. So sure, distraction and challenges are relative to what you want out of life at the current moment (can also change in the future).

@Miguel1 What do you think needs to happen for you to reconsider that and have kids after those 3-5+ years? When I think of myself, I can't imagine anything happening that will make me want to have children. As I age, I lose interest in reproduction more and more.

@Basman Did that force you to grow in ways you wouldn't be able to if you had proper emotional upbringing? Or did that make you more distant, avoidant and vulnerable from others people and relationships for example.

@LifeEnjoyer Yeah, years ago, as I remember Leo was talking from more of a metaphysical standpoint there. I was asking from more practical standpoint.

@Lyubov In what way? Just the fact that you made a living breathing thing that can be shaped in multiple ways? And that it's all your responsibility mostly and it takes growth and development on your part to succeed in that, yeah I get it. But still, if you have some unanswered questions and unfinished things in your growth journey that you want to handle, having a kid will make that process harder.

@Elliott Exactly, not a lot of people around me willing to be working on stuff like that, or even aware that those can be worked on. Thanks 🙏🏻

@Elliott What are you looking for in a women to consider her as mother of your child? Yeah that sound good but I think it will be more and more challenging as years go by, especially with advances in AI, who knows what that brings, future is very unclear.

@samijiben Yeah I don't know, to challenge yourself and create an extra meaning in your life maybe? @Basman How did that affect your childhood and growth into adulthood in general? Was it all negative? @Kid A Yeah exactly, I just don't understand how is that not the case for majority of people in first word democracies, especially today when there are so many opportunities around us. @Someone here I can watch my little niece laugh for those kinds of insights The thing is, it's okay to play with them for a while, feel that no-bullshit energy from time to time but then I always want to come back home and sit in silence. I just imagine how bad I'd feel if a constant presence of my own kid could disrupt that. I might consider owning a pet, a dog maybe, that would be a milder version of that and some nice company if I feel a need for that.

@Leo Gura Did you become this way after hundreds of trips or was couple God Realization trips enough for you to recognize God sober?

@Lazarus93 This got me thinking of my life tendencies as well, I think I do the similar thing, but haven't experienced Awakening yet. But in my mind some stuff is paused before I get my Awakening, at least a temporal glimpse, because I think that experience will affect my life goals. Don't you have similar experience? When you say that after Awakening you now realize that you need to focus on your life goals deeper, didn't those life goals change at least to some degree after you had your understandings?

Thanks for sharing! Do you also practice some manual spiritual practices that helped with those insights or you just take psychedelics?

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That guy was arrested in Philiphines I think couple months ago for his obnoxious behaviour towards cops and then was deported to Russia, just saw it on the news couple days ago, lol.

@Leo Gura What's your suggestion then? Just practice sitting and being? How do you balance ambition and just sitting and being? Don't we need an ambition to do enough practices and work on ourselves that then later in life arrive at the insight that there was really nothing more to be done other then sitting and being?

That's just an exercise that trains your ability to locate and become familiar with the places where there supposed to be chakras. And then in KPs you go through that chakras with your attention and breath. Author suggests doing Om Japa so that you can do KPs better later. Or you can just train that ability during your pranayama practice if you want, not seperately with Om Japa.

@Leo Gura Do you have a rough idea of when that might be? like, a year, 5 years, 10 years?

@Leo Gura Yes I get that, but also the other point is that if you can awake to God with 5-Meo temporarily, it will affect your Kriya practice, if not physiologically, just by knowing that this shit is real, it will affect the way you practice it, you'll do it with more passion and intention. I haven't done psychedelics but what I imagine is that it would greatly convinse me to do some kind of manual practice. Because without that, I need months if not years to feel like the practice is going somewhere, and it's hard to stick to it when nothing is happening and you don't even know if any of this is real. I believe psychedelics would help me in that. Yup, I'll do that, I'll see how it goes.

@Leo Gura Isn't 5-Meo a faster way? Or you mean pranayamas are supposed to rewire your mind/brain permanently and slowly, but 5-Meo is just a way of waking up quickly but doesn't stick.

@Dazgwny You can just start practicing Pranayama for 10-20 minutes, and build onto that some other practices if you want after 6-12 months. You can find very practical instructions of Pranayama breathing here in the books: https://realyoga.info/ And here in articles: https://realyoga.info/posts/ You can also ask ChatGPT to give you super detailed no-bullshit instructions of how to do it, and then just do it for couple months straight as an experiment.

@Dazgwny Have you tried Kriya?

@Leo Gura Doesn't daily meditation practice hone the concentration skill slowly day by day? And then using that somewhat developed concentration ability on longer retreats? I mean, if I'm a beginner meditator and go on a retreat, without some background in a sitting practice, will it still work? I'm talking about strictly concentration meditation, the one you can measure the progress in, not some form of just sitting and daydreaming or whatever.

@ZenSwift I've been having that exact same issue for the last 7-8 years when it comes to establishing Kriya practice, and even more years with establishing meditation practice. I mean proper daily practice. I've been dabbling in those practices, weeks on and off, sometimes months but I was never serious enough to stick to it, or practice it with full intention. Now I'm starting my 30s and it dawns on me that if I don't allocate at least 6-12 months to properly religiously practice them, it won't be done ever, like, for the last couple years I've been waiting for some magical moment that will illuminate me and make me stick to practices but that doesn't come. So I will either force myself into them or practice won't occur and benefits won't be there. Even worse, zero benefits plus all the regret of not practicing all those years, double suffering. So, take that seriously, 10 years can easily pass without actually using at least 6-12 months for that. I guess psychedelic awakening would also help as Leo said, but at the moment I don't have access to that.

Happy holidays guys, let's make the best of next year 🎉