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@Javfly33 Do you not consider the thousand dollar African masks, paintings, and fossils Leo posts on his ig as high end?

@PurpleTree When you study marketing you understand how powerful of an effect a huge brand like Rolex has on the subconscious. I’d say that is the main value of a Rolex, it makes you “worldly, and “cultured”. The history, beauty, refined/timeless design reinforce this effect.

@Davino @Javfly33 Leo has an interesting aversion towards mainstream brands/collectibles like Cars,Rolex, jewelry, and designer, and gravitates towards the more “autistic/nerdy” sort of collectibles that don’t get you laid. This often stems from early trauma related to missing out on sexual experiences while developing ones life purpose, and it is currently the biggest problem I struggle with today.

@Davino https://catalog.antiquorum.swiss/en/lots/rolex-ref-18148-18000-lot-295-280

@Javfly33 You should not be around anyone that has robbing in their psyche if you can afford a 40k watch. I think its reasonable for anyone that can afford a 40k watch to feel a sense of status/accomplishment. There needs to be incentives for creating value in the economy.

@Thought Art Why do you want people who aren’t doing spirituality to not think much of you? I don’t see a reason to abandon one for the other, you can easily have both

@Thought Art Why not both?

@thinkingmonkey3 Don’t we all use these things to attract certain people into our lives?

@Javfly33 This exactly. Once you understand the watch market you realize putting Rolex on a pedestal is a joke

@Thought Art All value is a social construct. Rolex retains most of its value on the second market. There are many Rolex models that are worth more than their retail value. All the economic activity associated with Rolex stimulates the economy. It’s similar to holding gold.

@Breakingthewall Humans are inherently hierarchical. In what way does wearing a Rolex “enslave you”?

@Leo Gura How is wearing a Rolex cringe? Does my Rolex look cringe? The set was inspired by Osho, who as you know wore a similiar Rolex with diamonds. Ive always loved the juxtaposition between spirituality and capitalism. I think it’s possible to show off in an ethical way, especially with a brand like Rolex. They retain most of their value on the secondhand market. (Some models are even worth more than their retail price).

@PurpleTree what’s your favorite luxury watch?

@PurpleTree What’s your favorite brand? What don't you like about diamonds?

@Leo Gura How is wearing a Rolex conformist? (I own a Rolex and enjoy it, see recent post)

@Leo Gura Leo, I often see you talk negatively about weed, but have you actually seriously tried it? I am going into cannabis for my life purpose, and after 5 years of using it since I was 15, I have discovered amazing psychedelic-level benefits that can be attained if one is educated and knows what he is doing with strains etc. This domain takes a lot of trial/error and time to master, it also affects everyone differently. I would encourage you to seriously experiment with a variety of it before you go about talking negatively about it, it is not “addictive” in the hard drug classical sense, I would compare its addiction potential to coffee.

@Leo Gura I dont understand this either, It seems to me that the main reason why you became so successful is because you watched porn, using those early years to set a strong foundation instead of squandering it chasing girls???

After a really traumatic childhood dental experience, and dealing with shitty rough dentists, I have avoided the dentist for years and developed a lot of cavities, a broken tooth etc, and need a lot of dental work including root canals, crowns, and fillings. The last time I went was in 2017 and I tapped out of the chair, after being injected with anesthetics, I could still feel the dentists rough hands and pain in my mouth, and was generally anxious and uneasy. My dentist immediately brought up sedation for my dental anxiety and the amount of work that I need to get done, but I am also anxious about being fully unconscious during the procedure. I decided to get prescribed Ativan, and to try to get fillings (least invasive procedure) with anesthesia and see how it feels again, but I am still having a lot of anxiety prior to scheduling the appointment? What are y'all thoughts/opinions on dental anxiety and sedation vs anesthesia?

Another thing which i would like improved here is whenever you think someone is wrong then explain to them why they are wrong. You are wrong/biased etc is not enough, an explanation of why they are so would be more useful. Do you really expect a super stubborn person to understand it all by himself without any guidance? I noticed it in the girls want traditional man thread that was locked, not a good job was done to explain the OP why he was biased and wrong. This is a very important point. Many people on this forum are lazy and simply post 1-liners basically just saying "you are wrong", "you are deluded" or whatever without delivering any explanations as to why they think that. Basically to many people post without delivering any value (value=helping somebody to understand something by explaining it concisely and clearly) The women saying that reading this information is hurtful, cant give any logical reason why it's invalid, other than "its biased", (All dating is literally inherently biased, that doesn't invalidate anything said?) and are just getting emotionally triggered. Further, I can't understand how something can emotionally trigger you if you truly are not personally invested/attached to the topic at hand (which needs to be separated from the general discussion). We are on a self development forum, and clearly not purposely trying to be "toxic" or offend anyone. Original Exchange: "You are a dodo bird by subscribing to this dumb view of women." How am I dumb for holding this view ? "It simply isn't true. You've fallen into self-deception by cherrypicking, confirmation bias, and ideology. Go watch my series on Self-Deception Parts 1, 2, 3." Can you please elaborate how my view is absurd? I didn’t take anything out of context, each of these replies is easily searchable and u can find the original thread it would just be too much to paste everything. Like I said, cherrypicking and confirmation bias. You took stuff I said totally out of context to justify your absurd attitude towards women. I warned you exactly against this." "Locking this because OP is not open to changing his position on this matter" There is no difference between attracting a chain-smoking club slut vs a virgin enlightened unicorn soul princess. The attraction triggers are all hardwired deep in her brain stem and are the same. That enlightened unicorn soul princess likes to get bent over and fucked just like any other girl. Watch out for the myth of spiritual people somehow being special snowflakes who are above the animal drives. No they aren't. They are horny animals just like everyone else. The girl who pretends that she is special and "not that type of girl" is exactly the type of girl who will sleep with an asshole psychopath at the drop of a dime. Every girl thinks she is "not that type of girl". They like: confidence, assertiveness, detachment from outcome, driven-ness, strength, leadership, charisma. Which tends to be what assholes have a lot of. What if I said this: High quality enlightened guys don't like perfectly shaped big tits. They are just too special for that. They are above that. Only scumbag guys like that. Would you believe it? Of course no girl will admit to going to a club to fuck. She must act like it's just fun with friends so she isn't slut-shamed by folks like you. Hot girls have lots of sex on a whim. It's not all about finding some ideal partner. Sometimes people are just horny and looking for an adventure. Exactly. Because you have too little experience with the sexual escapades of hot girls. Girls conceal and lie about how much sex they have and how easily and quickly they have it. She doesn't want you to know she sucked some random dude's cock in the parking lot after talking to him for 30 minutes. Yet this happens all the time. Your innocent girl isn't as innocent as you imagine. Your blood would boil if you knew how much sex these girls are having without you and the kind of scumbags they do it with. I am mean total scumbags. I've seen too much Leo's idea? Lol Yeah, I invented that. All me. No woman has ever fallen for an asshole. You can talk and theorize all you want, but the fact remains that a highly feminine girl would rather get fucked by a strong asshole than by a weak guy. There are some harsh truths about how women have sex. When you learn the truth of it, it busts many romanticized myths and cultural fantasies. I got nothing against femininity or women. I just don't prepetuate the myths of how they have sex. Sex is deliberately lied about in our culture because it is still taboo. You women have to maintain an air of innocence and purity. I get it. But I am not going to play those games. Of course. The reality is, a woman wants strong emotions. And a player gives that to her like no other man can. Which is why women will cheat on their lame boyfriends and husbands with players. A women with get attracted to whatever guy gives her the strongest emotions. Then don't sleep with players. Sleep with some shy nerd who has zero game. There are millions of them around so you will have no problem finding one. But you see, you don't want to sleep with such a man. You are not attracted to that. You are attracted precisely to strong men who are players who would sleep with lots of women. But you selfishly want to lock him down for yourself exclusively. If a woman has enough value, she will be able to leverage it to get the man to be loyal to her. But if she has insufficient value, she won't. And this is what really pisses you off. Because you want to be able to lock down a man with higher value than you, and you see how easily that fails. But you still want it because you are greedy. You want value for free. This is otherwise known as stealing value. Your ego-mind wants to steal sexual value. Well, that doesn't work so well. So stop doing it. But also, don't pretend like women don't go through a slutty phase. Women sleep around as much if not more than men, but you love to deny it. Haha In practice what most women do is this: They spend their teens and 20s sleeping around with the hottest, most high-value guys they can find. But since these guys are high value, they tend to be players who leverage their value and won't commit, or are abusive narcissistic assholes. So eventually by the time you hit your 30s you learn your lesson and lower your standards to guys who are less players, but also less attractive and you find some comfortable compromise position with such a guy and you two settle down. Then you get divorced. This is a tale as old as mankind itself. Nothing at all surprising about it. This is the game. The game is happening whether you know it or not, whether you want it or not. Are you seriously going to deny that hot women in their 20's sleep around? Come on. I just wouldn't recommend sleeping with a crack whore. How you use sex is a great honest signal of your level of consciousness and development. The less conscious you are, the more dysfunctional and degenerate your sex will be, and vice versa. I bet you've opened it to some unworthy It's okay. I won't judge. What you really want is a player who will fall head over heels in love with only you. Would you want to marry and have kids with the town slut? Never. You want a nice girl who will be loyal to you. You may like women being sluts when you're looking for one night stands, but as soon as you start looking for a serious partner you will sing a very different tune. And all women know this subconsciously. They know that a serious guy won't commit to a slut, he will just pump and dump her.

@Leo Gura Have you ever even tried to indulge yourself materially ever? All the classic stage orange luxury lifestyle stuff (Shopping, restaurants, cars, mingling with prestigious people), or where you just born above these desires? Some spiritual types like such as Osho taught to embrace materialism, lived an extravagant lifestyle, and I have personally found value in doing that to an extent that you can afford, as modern technology has made luxuries attainable to everyday ambitious people. It would be interesting to see Leo balling out and being a little extravagant to burn some karma

A lot of misconception, misunderstanding, and back and forth debate surrounding female attraction and sexuality between men and women boils down to one concept: Girls want Traditional Men, But Don't want to be Traditional Themselves. This is where you see a lot of male frustration arise. Women expect and value traits that associated with traditionally strong men, such as confidence, dominance, assertiveness, status, leadership, and often favor men who are ruthless in attaining these qualities, while telling the public politically correct answers that they like "nice, kind, sweet, honest, and empathetic men. Further, they absolve themselves of being "traditional women", by having lots of casual sex with assholes, posting their ass and tits on social media, wearing sexually provocative clothes in public, etc. Traits such as nurturance, sensitivity, sweetness,[15] supportiveness,[11][8] gentleness,[8][9] warmth,[11][9] passivity, cooperativeness, expressiveness,[25] modesty, humility, empathy,[8] affection, tenderness,[11] and being emotional, kind, helpful, devoted, and understanding[9] have been cited as stereotypically feminine. The defining characteristics of femininity vary between and even within societies. Standards of manliness or masculinity vary across different cultures and historical periods.[8] Traits traditionally viewed as masculine in Western societyinclude strength, courage, independence, leadership, and assertiveness

@Leo Gura Can you please elaborate how my view is absurd? I didn’t take anything out of context, each of these replies is easily searchable and u can find the original thread it would just be too much to paste everything.

@Danioover9000 @Preety_India just to be clear those are all Leos quotes lol