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@flowboy Promiscuous woman What is toxic or unhealthy about anything I posted?

@flowboy Seriously, what is so wrong and shallow about wanting your long term girlfriend to not be a hoe??

@Etherial Cat 26 is when looks start to declining with 30 being the danger zone. Nobody here is holding grudges against females for their choice of partners, that is simply your projection. If you carefully read any of our posts, you will understand that we have no problem with girls being hoes, only when they act like innocent virgin soul princesses after being ran thru.

@Etherial Cat Average girl looses her virginity 15-16 these days, thats plenty of time to hoe around and put out for the streets before becoming more "mature" and being all about relationship and trust.

@Hulia These girls always need a room full of alcohol and horny single men to "dance and have fun".

@Emerald The first line of the Madonna/Whore dichotomy states that Women are unable to maintain arousal in a loving , committed relationship, which Leo has never gotten close to mentioning, or even implying. You yourself said you are a highly sexual woman, and have one night stands and flings with guys you barely know, there is literally no more evidence that we need, you are saying this from the perspective of a lower sexual value, higher consciousness girl on Leos forum, imagine what kind of "flings" and "one night stands" girls with higher sexual value are having. You just confirmed what Leo has been saying all along, your response is just your personal projections of how you personally as a woman think men should respond and assign value to promiscuous women, from the male POV men cant help to view promiscuous woman as low value and undesirable, as it is hardwired in the male brain from evolution to value sexual loyalty in relationships, so naturally known "highly sexual" women don't get taken seriously and get pumped and dumped.

@Hello from Russia I didnt write that... thats leos projection of me..

@Leo Gura @Hello from Russia Ironically it is you who is being unspiritual here in that: 1) you judge all this social activity and think of it as unspiritual, creating a shadow out of it, and 2) you have the desire to control people by telling them how to behave and what not to drink. When did I ever desire or imply to desire to control anyone, contradict any of your points or try to shame anyone for being unspiritual??? If you carefully read my posts, you would see that I have no judgement against any of these activities, I simply think members on this forum should separate their ideas of being this "high value man that embraces sexual energy with lOvE and COnSOIOUSNEss" that all the girls wanna sleep with, with gaming on disinhibited horny drunk girls, especially when they have personally not been drinking that night. (Literally the exact points you made in your rant against pickup) B) Yes, pursing sex requires that one behave differently than sitting in a meditation retreat. Sex is survival, and it is a game I never have said otherwise, I have simply said that I see a lack of effort into applying higher integrity values and screening for long term compatibility,as men and women value sex differently, which is crucial if one wants to tout themselves as "embracing sexual energy with love and consciousness".

@Cepzeu Right, I never said that you couldn't pick up chicks during the day and pump and dump, I was simply stating the point of alcohol??? Thats your personal projection, I did not make any claims or statements in my writing about how I am personally morally superior. I have again, simply made arguments in the context of actualized.org , what does this have to do with me? Why do I keep being brought into my arguments, my arguments are completely general and mutually exclusive from my personal feelings of superiority.

@Jodistrict When have I tried to shame someone? Can you actually read and refute an argument I made besides projecting onto me? These are your own personal projections. @Cepzeu You actually think me saying that was not a general statement about how men think, but a personal attack on you meant to straw man your argument? Which of my points are unrelated?, and which is meant to straw man your points?, it is a direct and valid response, how does the notion of a man being too scared to talk to girls sober validate pumping and dumping? You're making an argument out of nothing. You just want to be right and morally superior on an online forum. You aren't capable of seeing the bigger picture of how everything interconnects and how everything is exactly perfect as it is. You just want to play argument games and pick apart everyone's response and incorrectly call them out on tactics you use yourself. These are all your personal projections, I have never claimed to be right or morally superior, I am simply stating my arguments.

@Cepzeu Lots of normal guys are scared to cold approach girls during the day, it's not socially acceptable. You open yourself up to rejection, so few guys do it. Its the norm to not approach. Hence, alcohol. So u being too much of a pussy to talk to girls sober is why pump and dumping drunk girls is acceptable? What's your point? Girls shouldn't drink so much as to lose themselves and make bad decisions? Maybe they should join us sober guys at the club haha. If you're consistently ending up with loser guys because you got drunk and went home with someone, that's on you lol. Lots of guys regret doing stupid shit and getting into fights when they sober up. Are you saying we shouldn't drink? but then you say we can't go clubbing because if we don't drink we're creepy? There are inconsistencies in what you desire. Society is not high consciousness or high integrity. You can't map Actualized.org onto society, it won't fit. This is a very niche community. My point has always been to be crystal clear about why you are doing what your doing, and to separate these ideas from the "self development" "high intergrity", "love" and conciousness", that we have been learning, by your logic you should just stop watching Actualized.org stop working on yourself and go get more drunk. I have not desired anything and am merely stating arguments,When I have I said that men shouldn't drink or that you cant go clubbing, I am AGAIN talking in the CONTEXT OF HIGH INTEGRITY

@Harlen Kelly LOL that has absolutely ZERO affect on u pointing out the inconsistencies of my post, nice straw man Condescending cheeky questions, like "have you interacted with many human before", are personal attacks on my character, rather than u reading and refuting an argument that i wrote out.

@Cepzeu Alcohol affects women differently (more severely) than men and lowers their inhibitions severely. If alcohol didnt lower your inhibitions, nobody would go out to drink and you would just talk to girls like normal people lol Most girls regret the guy they had a one night stand with, as when they sober up their inhibitions come back. The whole point of going out during night game, is to be in a room of disinhibited girls, or you would just approach them and sleep with them during the day. Again, im saying in the context of integrity, and the concepts we study on actualized.org How is preying on girls with lower inhibition=high integrity Because its a lot easier to just project your own notions of me as a person (ad hominem), than to actually read and refute my arguments. I do not think and have never stated that everyone in a nightclub is a predator or wasted girl, I literally mentioned that it was cool and gravy, but I think that one should be crystal clear about their tactics when u stand here and talk about high integrity and love and consciousness

@Harlen Kelly Ad Hominem.

@Harlen KellyDude, I am literally on actualized.org, the epitome of anti-dogma, and you are asking if im religious , did you even bother to read my post? your the same guy that asked if I had experience with women on the original post, nice straw man. @Cepzeu That is all well understood, but Leo advocates for not drinking on the forum, and advocates for nightclubs/bars as places to go socialize, but the majority of people there are drunk/there to get drunk.

@Thought Art Dude, did you literally stop reading at the next line? Leo Gura: Some yes, some no. Depends. Doesn't really matter. I prefer girls who don't drink or drink little. I've lost plenty of girls simply because they drank so much they were too sick to have sex with.

@Cepzeu Leo specifically mentions that he dosent date girls that drink. He will still sleep with, and pursue a drunk girl for sex, as long as she didnt "drank so much they were too sick to have sex with." Theres nothing wrong with going to nightclubs to practice game, but its creepy and low integrity to be the only sober person around a bunch of drunk young people especially that if are not interested in anything beyond sex, that is literally defined as legal rape, if you directly mention to any of the girls that you were the only sober person, they would not sleep with you. Also, nobody ever mentions about ATTEMPTING screening these drunk girls for long term compatibility, its how fast can you sleep with her, because "woman dont take u serious before sex".

@Cepzeu When did I mention meeting people while sober and having casual sex???, I am referring to the specific example in my post, as the guys who boast about "lay counts" and having "amazing game", often use night game such as bars and nightclubs to do their activities. There was nothing said about meeting people while sober, and having casual sex, as if that where the actual level of integrity these keyboard high value men would be operating from, they wouldn't need to go out to bars and night clubs to prey on drunk girls to get laid. Check your own projections and read my post carefully before projecting this "angry incel trying to prove that mens desire for sex is evil"notion onto me, as I simply am talking about this specific situation in the context of actualized.org, and raising ones integrity/consciousness. MY point is that it is simply impossible to have a high lay count without high social/financial status or low integrity & manipulation.

@Cepzeu Right nothing I said contradicts that, I am simply making a point about how members on this community define the word "High Value Man", how does any of this invalidate what I said or permit pump/dumping drunk girls while you are sober? How convenient and easy to just dismiss it all as "people have bad long term compatibility anyway", "women are chimps too" so they deserve it and we can continue pumping and dumping, my whole point is about raising our integrity, as I feel like that is one of the key reasons we should even be interested in this work, it just seems like there's NO EFFORT being applied AT ALL. What if you actually end up finding a girl you really liked and now you have to deal with all of her excess insecurities and trauma from being pump and dumped while she was drunk by horny sober wolves?

@Sunchild Where are my judgements about sex? I literally called it "fine and gravy", did y'all just skip over the second part of my post ? @Cepzeu You must have not read this part I just feel like this forum has lost track of these higher integrity ideas, and is behaving like chimps, which is all fine and gravy, I only see a problem with it when we are students of "high integrity" putting in no effort to screen girls for long term compatibility before sleeping with them, and boasting about "lay counts" and how good your "game" is and how much of a "high value man" you are, which is only "high value" from the perspective of a woman's survival, so really the term "high value man" is synonymous with douchebag, as your spending so much time and energy to please women to get vagina, you could spend that time pursuing consciousness work and life purpose (which is the greater good for society and our communities and takes up a lot of time and often conflicts with your sexual interests).

@Cepzeu You must have not read this part I just feel like this forum has lost track of these higher integrity ideas, and is behaving like chimps, which is all fine and gravy, I only see a problem with it when we are students of "high integrity" putting in no effort to screen girls for long term compatibility before sleeping with them, and boasting about "lay counts" and how good your "game" is and how much of a "high value man" you are, which is only "high value" from the perspective of a woman's survival, so really the term "high value man" is synonymous with douchebag, as your spending so much time and energy to please women to get vagina, you could spend that time pursuing consciousness work and life purpose (which is the greater good for society and our communities and takes up a lot of time and often conflicts with your sexual interests).

@Harlen Kelly

@Harlen Kelly Why do you ask?

@Leo Gura Dosent it matter if they are making decisions disinhibited while you are sober? If you've had some experience with alcohol you know it can definitely, well let's say, skew ones perceptions for the night and make girls way looser. Its legally rape. Also why would you sleep with drunk women if you don't promote pump/dump and have explicitly outlined that girls who drink are a dealbreaker when u are looking for a girlfriend, a lot of girls who go out to clubs are regular drinkers/smokers/party girls. I would just personally feel uncomfortable gaming drunk girls sober, Id wanna at least get on their playing field.

@Leo Gura Yo Leo u always talk about picking up girls at a night club sober as you dont drink, but docent that imply that the girls you are picking up have been drinking/ are intoxicated?