Mannyb

I’m experiencing bliss right now tbh ?? After the realization of who I am, the old habits of the separate self just progressively appear less and less. What does happen from “time to time”, is the release of trauma that was stored in the body, although I know I am not the body.

In that case, it’s more like the disappearance of a thought. Like in deep sleep, there’s no thought, no one dies. The one you think can die can’t really die then, since it never was. If it was, God wouldn’t be.

Who get’s killed? Other than, what you think you are.

What @Forestluv said here is just not true. Let's have fun and analyze this assumption of his. His argument is the following: 1. "Lots of people (instead of using the word many, which is suspicious for an academic to not use correct grammar...) don't believe in germ theory". So far so good, that part is true, I don't subscribe to it either. By the way, it's not just "lot's of people" (which implies (yes it does smartass @Forestluv, don't play silly with me ^^) that these are just "average" people), most so-called germ theory "deniers" are as a matter of fact researchers and successful natural and holistic health practitioners. 2. "They (lots of people that don't believe in germ theory) don't believe germs actually exist". That is just false, it's spreading misinformation and undermining these "so-called" GTD (germ theory "deniers"), which is another way of calling them pseudo scientists and conspiracy theorists. Here is a description of Terrain Theory, the theory the vast majority of informed GTDs ACTUALLY subscribe to: Terrain theory says germs can’t cause infection unless conditions within a body encourage their growth and reproduction. If the body is a poor host, invading germs cause illness. This is why in epidemics, some recover, some die, some only have minor symptoms & some never become ill at all. In case anyone is interested in reading more about it: https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/truth-about-germ-theory Or am I wrong? @Village @DrewNows @TrynaBeTurquoise @ppfeiff GTDs assemble xP

@BadHippie Namaste bruder ?? Glad to see someone speak their mind loud and clear, I second all you’ve said!

Why do you want me to do that exactly? I recommend you read that book as it can help you stop making assumptions. What are you trying to get at with me getting the vaccine? It only makes it seem as though you felt attacked by my recommendation...

@Forestluv Just to let you know there’s no point in talking to you, you’ll always reframe everything to your advantage, you must be fun at parties... ? You very well know that I’m asking for what you call the positive and negative elements of the vaccine, yet like a child you choose to play games... how stage yellow of you... Nice job trying to suck me into your mind games but I’m out. Peace ✌?

You should read Don Miguel Ruiz The 4 agreements, might learn a thing or two about assumptions

I was talking about your ego’s perspective obviously ? I know it could also be anything in a pre egoic state as well and it’s “nice” of you again to assume that I don’t know that, yet I never said I didn’t. All of your arguments here are predicated upon assumptions. There is no normal for you or normal for me, there’s just normal or abnormal aka special, unique, whatever.. A normal conversation is simply I ask you reply for example, that’s normal. If I say give me a reason you either give me one or not, simple. An abnormal conversation is I say give me a reason and you start deconstructing every single term I use and start making assumption after assumption. Seems you’re stuck in your precious stage yellow, maybe you could ascend to turquoise and realize what I’m saying might be going over your head. I could also play games you see, yet I’m not here to play games. So I’m gonna make it simple for ya; either give me a reason to get the vaccine I haven’t heard of or let’s just agree to disagree and stop it there.

Why wouldn't they? I'm open to new ideas... Yet I do get your point, I already don't spend much time in here (echo chamber vibes sometimes, which is natural for a forum of like minded people).

@Forestluv From my perspective you just tried to "school" me from the beginning, and failed to do so (although you probably think I can't get it, funny). You think that what you say is going over my head as though what you say is so "advanced" but that's just an assumption on your part (and if that were true maybe you're just a lousy professor lol). You keep trying to analyze my words, without addressing me directly as though I'm some kind of lab rat of your, that's precisely why I don't trust your type (pseudo intellectual academics). And why do you keep talking about what you're doing on your free time lol There's other threads for that I guess xP You think you don't have the patience to have a normal conversation with me but what you really are is pure patience itself, only the ego can ever be impatient.

Yes!!! You got it mate!

Listen to yourself, why do you say that? Let me make it simpler for ya (I won't give up on you just yet): 1. I don't deem any of your reasons valid 2. I'm not completely right (who has ever been?) 3. There might be valid reasons and I'm open to them, hence why I'm here. 4. Why do you want to limit my options to be either completely right or not open? Why can't you accept my position? 5. Cmon Biyi Don't be silly. Why are you being silly? hehe

@Forestluv How do you know a simple conversation won't work? You don't, unless you can predict the future. It seems that you're quite stuck on making mental models and hypotheses of what your mind interacts with, on this forum at least. That's my guess of your lens, maybe I'm wrong. To be honest I'm not gonna read all that mentation. If you wish for me to read what you have to say, you can give me what you deem to be a reason good enough and at the same time complex enough so that someone like Elon might have omitted in his own reasoning, that's what I came for. Otherwise, I'm not interested and that's my right. Sorry for not reading all you wrote (you probably intended for me to read it lol), might interest others tho.

Why are you saying that because I don't agree with the CDC that means I'm either not open or I am completely right? How does that make sense? It's fine that you're not able to convince me or Elon otherwise, but why do you have to make such conclusions on what we consider ourselves to be? It's the second time I try to explain how your reasoning doesn't make sense, therefore I guess you won't get it lol So let's just agree to disagree on this one. PS: although your tone isn't the most loving one (perhaps unintentionally), I want to let you know that I love you anyway <3

@Consept Lol you're right, none of those I deem good enough. To me it sounds like fearmongering, scary. Guess I'll have to side with Elon on this one... Obviously a random list you found online won't do it since anyone could find it. Maybe you, the "consensus" and the masses are right on this one, only time will tell. Namaste

I'm sorry but I don't want to play games, I don't have to make that argument and I don't want to I hope you can understand, accept, and love that. I'm just asking for the perspective of those who are taking the vaccine, that's it. It's my right not to deem some reasons good for me, you have the same right. That doesn't mean that I'm not open to other reasons, now does it? A good reason for you might not be one for me and vice versa, yet I'm open to anyone with a reason they deem good for themselves <3 Now I won't judge your attempt at logic. It's true, I can't think of a good reason for myself, yet that doesn't mean there aren't any nor that I'm not open. I'm open to hearing what you deem a good reason, I'm sure there might be a reason I could deem good myself, hence why I'm asking ^^

I'm asking because I don't have any yet, so you tell me. I have also not found good reasons to take a vaccine that helps stop the spread of a contagious disease called the flu. I'm not here to argue man, I just asked for reasons. If your reason is to help stop spreading the disease, well, thank you for your contribution although everyone has heard that reason already, and yet many chose not to get vaccinated. Therefore a good reason for some people isn't a good reason for others.

You're just assuming that I'm assuming Elon Musk is a 100% right when I never said nor implied anything of the sort. Look my fellow lovely human being, I'm just asking why would someone like him make such a decision. There's nothing faulty in such a question. Tell me, how is it illogical to think that Elon might know something we don't? He has more access to all sorts of professionals in the area of vaccines than almost most people on earth, except perhaps Bill Gates, Zuckerberg, Putin (you know, powerful people with the best contacts in most cutting edge fields). You want me to admit to something I haven't fallen for. If Elon Musk turns vegan tomorrow, it doesn't mean I'd do it, it just means I'd probably look into it out of curiosity and wonder about what he may know that I don't, knowing that such an individual has access to privileged information we could only dream of as of now. Do you get it now? <3 It's completely fine if you didn't initially understand my point, you don't even have to admit it.

All I wanted were good reasons for a healthy individual to get the vaccine. The type of reason that could convince someone like Elon Musk for example. And no @Forestluv, that doesn't mean that I would just discard what doesn't suit my worldview. Otherwise I wouldn't even bother asking, like many people I know. So let's just start from scratch, you seem to enjoy imagining scenarios, imagine I'm Elon Musk and convince me, that's it

Why make an assumption yet again, can’t you just ask? Which strong position have I taken? I’m just saying that I’m not getting vaccinated for now because I’m healthy and I’m not the only one doing so (Elon Musk is taking the same position for example). How is that a strong position? I’m after all here to open myself to different perspectives, haven’t yet heard any convincing arguments. Assuming again here with what makes something shitty, ok. What makes anything shitty is that it isn’t life affirmative (it doesn’t work and has produced harm, like Pfizer’s criminal history for example) nothing to do with core beliefs.

@Forestluv Sure bud. You can rationalize your example all you want it still doesn’t make sense. Here’s an example like yours, try this: would you board an experimental plane with a new type of engine that is still in testing, has never successfully flown, and that every time they tried it in the past it crashed? That’s what happened with covid vaccines. Why don’t you start by analyzing your own mind first? Might learn a thing or two, yet your defense mechanisms won’t allow that... You seem to think you’re above all that since you’re in academia, years of experience etc... And yet I should listen to you instead of other scientists in the field for what reason exactly? Specially when they don’t try to assume how certain people’s mind work without knowing... See how easily your argument can be turned around? You seem to be the perfect example of the arrogance of academia with your claim of having transcended other perspectives (why do you need to claim it if you’ve done so?, maybe to reinforce that idea and thus your ego). This is the longest assumption I’ve read on my mind, yet you don’t even know me. Instead of imagining what you could tell me and how I’d (potentially, in your mind) react, just tell me straight without anticipating my reaction. I’m not offended tho, but your style of response is condescending to a new level I’ve rarely seen. Funny you need to explain yourself in such length ? You could just answer directly but that’s not what you’re interested in doing, wonder why... Why can’t we have a normal conversation where you’d simply ask for example: hey man I love you and I see where you seem to be at, and think I can help you in a (non condescending) loving way, what do you consider helpful information my brother? Instead you just start assuming and analyzing how i chose to express myself.

Not mad, just still waiting...

Of course they did, and soon 90 and then 100%, surprise, surprise...

Yeah sure, instead of thinking independently, doing your research on the topic, and questioning the narrative, you just make fun of whom ever thinks differently? Before taking a side, try the opposite perspective, you might learn something. Here the case for taking the vaccine is advocated by society at large and the institutions of the powers that be (providing the best arguments for the vaccine), now what about a case against it for some people? It’s more difficult because you have to research but you can still do it. Or maybe you’re under your Society’s Halo effect. Or maybe Elon is just crazy and you are the sane one... Still you haven’t answered. Why do you think you know better than Elon?