CaptainBobbyOlsen

Wow that was a tremendously interesting reply Bas. Very honest and thought-provoking I will also have to apologize for this long rant in advance… Good luck finding anything meaningful here. Hehe. I would like to start with underlining the fact that the current core of the economic system is pure devilry, and not a conspiracy theory, but conspiracy fact. This is at least what my research has let me to believe, and at this point no one has been able to show me exactly how the economic system is not pure devilry. People constantly confuse and makes false equivalencies (not sure if I’m using that term correctly, I just think that it sounds coolJ) between conspiracies and conspiracy theories, and I’m probably also guilty of this, so I’m not judging. When I refer to myself as a conspiracy theorist/nutter it is said with a smile, it is said sarcastically as to show that I know that the majority of the readers will confuse my stance with a low-conscious feeble-minded nutcase… This is very much like the pre/post trans fallacy that many stage orange people falsely create between differently developed spiritual people/beliefs. But can anyone dispute the fact that the creation of the Federal Reserve was a first class conspiracy? A conspiracy so blatantly obvious, that a comic book would be embarrassed. A few men literally met in secret in order for them to create a banking bill, which would effectively give these same individuals who wrote that bill the power to control the USA’s money supply… Think about the implications of this!!! This is no small thing. And this is not an outdated conspiracy, which has no merits in today’s society 100 years after its inception. The “democracy” literally has no influence on the monetary policy (one of the driving forces in society) of the USA, instead a list of private bankers and unknown individuals who have a massive conflict of interest are in control. Contemplate this! 99% of all white-collar bankers and economists/professors have no idea about how the economy works at the core. They are only ever concerned with the ripples on top of the ocean of economics. Most people think that the Fed is federal, but reality is that it is not. There is no way that anyone can frame this in a light that paints a high-conscious picture of the creation of the Federal Reserve and the current economic system. The Federal Reserve Act was literally written by the most devilish/low-conscious/ego-driven people in America at the time of its inception. The Federal Reserve was literally created in secret, it was literally a conspiracy from the moment that it came into existence, and it is still a conspiracy this day in 2019. A nations money supply should under no circumstances be controlled by anyone but individuals who work in the best interest of the whole of society. I’m not necessarily against the idea of a central bank being in charge of a nations money supply, as long as it is not biased for the betterment of a few 1000 individuals, but instead works in the interest of the people and for creating high-conscious values in society. If anyone thinks that this is an insignificant little footnote in the larger picture that we call society, then that person will have to think again and see this situation from a higher standpoint. The current economic system is the number one structure in society that needs to be optimized in order for the whole of society to move up the spiral. Low-consciousness is in the essence of economics today, and we need to turn it into a high-consciousness structure as this will create massive high-value ripples across the totality of society. With the way that the monetary system in the world is structured it is not a facilitator for highly conscious people, but quite the opposite. You seem to agree that much of what is holding our society back is outdated unconscious remnants of blue and orange society structures. The central banking system of today must be abolished for us to change society at a large scale, likewise as you mention with the military industrial complex, petrodollar and many other current structures that limits society’s ability to transcend and include the ways of blue and orange. However many people seem to think that the current structures in society works just fine… They say; “just look at the prosperity of our modern society, our technology, and our life-standard… The structures are great, obviously!!!” This is a limited point of view, a cowardly point of view, a point of view that lacks vision, and a point of view that doesn’t acknowledge that society can be infinitely more beautiful than it is today. Yes, society has evolved greatly the last century (only truly in the west at the expense of everyone else) even after the takeover of the economic system, but that is not an indication of a lack of infiltration of low-conscious values in the current structures of society. You are to a certain degree right when you say that it is not solely the wrongdoings of evil bankers, but the structures that limit society. I agree very much, but this doesn’t negate the fact that those structures were put there carefully by individuals in order for low-consciousness to pervade society. Low-conscious structures will inevitably create low-conscious people, and vise-versa. This problem is not only evident in the monetary system, but in all the structures of society, from education and all the way up to the president and beyond. You deem what I called the “symptoms” to be the core of the matter, but this I think is a stance that comes from not having enough vision to see, that if we want to change society we must first change the fundamental structures, and not just play the symptom-game… What I mean is that we shall focus on systemic changes in society much more than focusing on what this symptom implicates in relation to future symptoms, or what this person did or that person said. Lets instead make a radical change that will help society and its individuals to prosper, and to move into tier two structures. Gradually we should be focusing on including and transcending the blue/orange/green structures of society, instead of simply accepting them as they are and not having the courage to think big. In order for us to change the system we first have to understand the devilry that needs to be purged, and this is what I’m trying to do right now Helping people to understand. Hopefully I’m doing an okay job of this… Furthermore I believe that it would be beneficial for you to rethink your stands on what happens when debt is created. Do some research into what the banks do when they create debt. Research what investment bankers do for a living etc. The way that the debt is created today does in no way contribute to the welfare of the people. The truth is that it does the exact opposite! One would think that the monetary system works in favor of the people, but put the system under a loop, and you will inevitably have to conclude that the opposite is true. This is why I started this topic. The system simply does not serve the people. You seem to understand that it is totally unfair for the 0.1% to own so incredibly much wealth, but the reason this is possible is only through the larger structures in society, many of which works in the interest of the few instead of the many. Right now it is without a doubt true that the politicians aren’t the most important people in terms of how our society is shaped. Voting for this person over this person or that person over that person does not change a thing!!!! Not yet. Everyone thought that Obama was the first truly Green president, but how much high-consciousness did he leave USA with after his term? Trump wont be any better. I don’t see how Bernie will be any better… He lost the democratic nominee to Hillary Clinton in an absolutely unfair and undemocratic way, however he still endorsed Hillary after this fact. Had he been truly conscious he would have called the system out for what it was, and this would have been a different story. Bernie might be the most conscious of the politicians in the US, but in order for a radical change to happen he will have to evolve even further. Hopefully he can. And btw look up what Bernie thinks about the Federal Reserve… He understands the systemic problem with the fed, though I’m not quite sure that he is willing to take up a fight with the current economic system. Hopefully he is if he gets elected as the next president, and then maybe for the first time ever a president would actually make a systemic change. Lastly I can say that yes I have watched Leo’s series on conscious politics, and it was after having viewed that incredible series that I wanted to give my 2 cents here on the forum. I had just one problem with the series, and it was a major one. Leo does not see the systemic conspiracies in today's society, and this is a major problem if we want to move society into tier 2 in spiral dynamics. A big part of a blue/orange/green society is that low-consciousness runs amok, and low-consciousness breeds conspiracies… Despite this I would definitely recommend his series on conscious politics, but do not accept everything that @Leo Gura says as the word of a god There are many truly great insights in the series, but one genius can't be counted on knowing everything… Looking forward to read your take on my little rant here

Listen… If you spend just 3 hours of your life with an open mind trying to understand the economic system that is Controlling our society right now, you will inevitably have to drop every single one of your preconceived ideas about what our society is. Accepting even 10% of the following videos will ultimately collapse your entire worldview, and if it doesn’t then there are 3 possibilities that ought to have happened 1) It means that you did not understand the videos, and therefore do not put any importance into how the economic system is structured. Watch them again and do extra research and contemplation. 2) You already understand the low-consciousness behind the economic system, and you therefore did not need to reevaluate your worldview since it complied with the information. Well done. 3) You understand the information but deem it useless and untrue/misleading in trying to understand society, and will therefore not reconstruct your worldview. Rethink your stance on this, and contemplate the implications of the information in the following videos extra carefully, and hopefully this will lead you to become a part of the second possibility 4) … There are of course many other possibilities as well, and this was just for adding extra context Watch the following videos in the order that they are presented. Watch the videos preferably in one setting, and watch each video more than once. Use every footnote that the videos provide to further your understanding, and do your own research on the side (don’t just search “is the federal reserve bad” on Google, as this will not lead you very far…) Start with watching this 29-minute video on how the Federal Reserve System works. Watch it again... If you’re short on time then you can watch the video at 2 times the normal speed to reduce the time on your second watch… Contemplate the implications of what this means… You may continue when you feel like you have a decent understanding of how the Federal Reserve System works. Now watch these two videos. They will basically recontextualize every aspect of how the average person views money, and will give you an immense understanding of how our society is corrupted. Hopefully by now you’ll see that there is absolutely staggering, earthshattering, paradigm-collapsing information in these videos, and this will hopefully lead you to further deepen your understanding of the conspiracies in society. Understand, that if you accept the core ideas in this post, then you are what society normally referrers to as a conspiracy theorist. Being called a conspiracy theorist is not an indication of you being feeble-minded, and of course not necessarily an indication of the opposite. What believing in this will tell you is simply that truth is stranger than fiction Good luck and happy tinfoilfest

Hi Bas. I like the way you write your posts. Critical, informative and nuanced However I’m not quite sure that you understand what I’m trying to convey with this topic… You link to Mark Blyth’s talk on “Global Trumpism and the Future of the Global Economy”, but frankly I don’t quite see what a comparison between Blyth’s sublime presentation on a small “sliver” of the economy, and the “Hidden secret of money” documentary will yield other than the fact that they don’t really concern the same problem, and that Mark Blyth obviously has a more formal way of presenting albeit with a lovely amount of humor. From my point of view it is very much like comparing a modern dogmatic scientist (I’m not necessarily saying that Mark Blyth is dogmatic) to a yogi/enlightened person… Yes, the scientist may explain a lot more of the symptoms in reality (i.e. laws of physics), but he will never touch the pure fabric of reality like a yogi/enlightened person. Likewise what Blyth said in “Global Trumpism and the Future of the Global Economy” is an explanation of symptoms in the economics just like a scientist explaining gravity, but what “Hidden secrets of money” explains is on the contrary the foundation of the economics themselves, just like Leo’s videos on reality/GOD. Do you see? The fabric of the economics, and not the symptoms. Siva, and not Shakti. Formlessness, and not form… I posted “Hidden secrets of money” not because I think it is perfect, but because it is the simplest and most comprehensive video that I could find, that explained the very foundation of the economics in simple easy to understand English with great illustrations. I couldn’t find a video of Mark Blyth talking about the cornerstones of economics to make a comparison… Only talks concerning the symptoms… Don’t misunderstand me, I actually like Mark Blyth, but I wouldn’t say that his presentations reveal what economics truly are at the core. If you believe Blyth has a decent explanation, that nullifies what “Hidden secrets of money” tries to convey, then please feel free to post a link, or for that matter if you can find any explanation of the core of economics that is better in terms of describing what the economy is at the core then I would love to see it. My point with all of this is to shine a light onto the fact that the very essence of the current economic system is absolutely insane, foolish, unfair… low-conscious… If we want to change our society into a beautiful creation of higher values, then we have to change the economic system of today, since it along with other major issues in society (many of which frankly involve huge conspiracies aka. devilry) is that which is holding us back… And if you haven’t watched the last two videos that I linked to, then please do. Especially the documentary “Century of Enslavement: The History of The Federal Reserve” since it is the most comprehensive explanation of the core of the economic system that I know of. If you still are of the understanding that the core of the economic system is not pure devilry, then please enlighten me with a better explanation that also conveys a benevolent and high-conscious economic system that serves the people and society at large. I will assure you that I will watch/read whatever it is that you post, and try my best to have an open mind. If your links are paradigm shifting I’ll maybe even have to drop my identity as a conspiracy nutter But remember: The core, and not the symptoms... Looking forward to what you present Sincerely actualized.orgs conspiracy theorist

I’m not quite sure what exactly it is that you’re trying to explain… Are you saying that in order for one to believe in a conspiracy, that you will then first have to be afraid of the consequences of that conspiracy, otherwise you won’t be fooled by it since it is not a reflection of reality? And are you then implying that believing that the navy-footage of UFOs showing that advanced technologies exist is an example of this?

What do you mean with "develop independently"?

I’m not familiar with “objective personality”, so I have no idea about it being useful in an advanced school or not. Right now I don’t think that you/we should focus so much on the specific facets, which a “perfect” school will be comprised of, that will come naturally later on... Instead what you/we should focus on is simply that from which all the specific facets will grow. Creating the perfect corner stones. A great starting point would be to agree on a specific purpose for the school. As has been stated before that purpose must in order for the school to be “advanced” contain love, spirituality, creativity and so on… Higher forms of expression… Could you formulate such a purpose? Once a more advanced purpose for the school has been established, there will naturally be a tendency for the school to focus less on material subjects and more on spiritual subjects. And this is the point where we can now start to discuss different specific facets of an ideal school… The most crucial thing that is missing right now for an advanced school to be able to function is that the larger structures in society is not compatible with advanced schools. At this point in time the children that are sent to school simply have not been equipped with enough knowledge and behavior-skills form kindergarten and their parents to facilitate great spiritual wisdom. Therefore an important element of creating advanced schools will be to educate kindergarten teachers and parents on things such as meditation and concentration. What I meet everyday at work is children who are not able to concentrate, and who have not received enough social skills for them to work on advanced subjects. This right here is vital… From the age of 0 until the age of 10 all efforts should be put into creating a space inside the children that is compatible with learning, and that space will only be created if all the structures of the child’s environment is advanced enough… this means that the kindergarten teachers must be advanced, it means that the schoolteachers must be advanced and that the parents must be advanced. Children should not waste their time on trying to learn math before they have developed themselves enough to the point where they are like a sponge, able to absorb lessons 10 times faster than they are now. If the children learn concentration, meditation and relaxation before they embark on trying to learn subjects like math, they will be able to learn the same amount in way less time. Right now 95% percent of every lesson is wasted on children who are not ready to absorb the lesson, they have not learned how to be a sponge and the classroom is therefore not a facilitator of great characters...

I guess that most schools have one, two or even three somewhat yellow teachers (not completely yellow but probably more green), but in practice this doesn’t change a thing since the center of gravity in the school is orange with sprinkles of green, which makes it hard for children to truly be expressions of higher values. When we will be able to spot true development in the school system the center of gravity has moved to green sprinkled with a little yellow. But only when a system that is truly yellow has been put into function will we see students who are able to empathize, think critically, be open-minded/non-dogmatic, spiritual and self-development orientated. The change in the school system will be a long and gradual development, and I hope that everyone here on actualized.org realize that changing the schools is among the highest priorities if we want a society that values truth, spirituality and love In whatever way we can, in whatever degree of influence, we shall all do our utmost in trying to change the schools in our local area in whatever fashion that may be, as long as the change is rooted in higher values that are aligned with the greater good of both the individual and the society at large

This is a topic that I have been thinking quite a bit about. At the moment I work as a substitute teacher in a Danish “Folkeskole” (age 6-15), which I guess is similar to primary and middle school in the US. Not that long ago I went through the very system that I’m now working in. I’m 21 years old btw… From my experience in the school system it is awfully disheartening to think that the Danish “Folkeskole” is among the most advanced schools in the world. Probably around 25% of what the students learn in school is among the stuff that I would consider valuable, and 20% of that is social teachings that they learn when they interact with other humans. 90% of the subjects that are taught are of no usage for the students, it is neither interesting nor is it character building, and whatever “skill” that they learn they will immediately forget the moment they embark on a new one. School should never be about repeating/reciting and blindly following whatever topic a teacher is spoon-feeding undeserving students. This is proven many times in the field of psychology to not help children’s learning processes, since most children learn the “best” through methods that are non-linear, non-repeating and non-boring and the school needs to adapt to this. I think that the first step in changing and improving the schools will be to reinterpret the purpose of the school. At the moment the purpose of the school is not to shape the students into quality characters, into humans that are proficient in areas such as love, understanding and creativity. I hope that most people agree that great characters are more important than great grades, and this should be reflected in the structure of the school. The Danish “Folkeskole” is still very orange in its approach to learning, though I do see tendencies that point to the fact the some green values are being integrated into the subjects. I have seen virtually no yellow tendencies in the way that the schools are being run, but maybe that is just me not being able to spot them yet . The problem right now in the school system is that the teachers surely are not advanced enough to the point that you could just change the schools into a yellow/turquoise institution over night, since it will be way above 95% of all schoolteachers’ level of development. In order for us to change the school system fundamentally we will first need to change the schoolteachers fundamentally, and so we must gradually start to produce teachers that are suited for more advanced topics that lead to greater understanding of self, existence and spirituality...

I obviously can’t speak for Leo, but I will still try and sling a little ball of tinfoil... Leo as with everyone else will only go as far as to where his current beliefs tells him to go. Right now he equates believing in conspiracies to an act of devilry, and a distraction not worth looking deeply at. I see Leo as someone who is willing to accept only some of the major issues/conspiracies that are at the forefront of how our society is managed. From my understanding of how Leo sees society he will indeed accept “knee” deep conspiracies such as the way that some libertarians and their philosophy are a hindrance to the development of our society. He will accept obvious conspiracies such as the “Kochtopus” as evidence by his posts about the Koch brothers, and will use the stupendousness of low-consciousness in some parts of the libertarian circles to showcase how a libertarian society is not the high-conscious society we here at actualized.org are trying to actualize. I might be wrong, but I don’t think that Leo is willing to jump belly first into the ocean of conspiracy just yet. Unfortunately he along with the majority of society will keep spending time dabbling on the shoreline catching small “coastal” conspiracies, not knowing that out in the deep ocean he will be able to catch the giants

A funny short recap of what many people seem to evade. Good old Carlin may not have understood every aspect of the rigged game called society, but at least he understood part of the premise

https://www.corbettreport.com/conspiracy-theorists-are-domestic-terrorists-propagandawatch/#comments

I don’t think that the problem is the word “conspiracy”, rather it is the semantics associated with it. When the average Joe in society hears the word conspiracy he will inevitably associate it with what is commonly called conspiracy theories. Conspiracies are merely the way ego-devilry is deceiving society instead of only deceiving the pure awareness behind the individual ego. Other words that may point to the same thing as the word conspiracy is: deception, corruption, exploitation, manipulation, low-consciousness and so on, but often the word conspiracy explains the misdeed most precisely, so why shy away from it? The problem with the moon landing isn’t that it may or may not have been faked, but that in terms of us changing society from low-consciousness to high-consciousness it doesn’t make a difference whether it was faked or not. Revealing the possible conspiracies behind the halt on psychedelic research, and even further the entire “war on drugs” will however be able to facilitate higher consciousness. And so it is with many other “unsung” conspiracies in today’s society.

This is the exact problem that I’m trying to point to! It doesn’t have to take a forever for people to realize that in order for society to improve we must first identify the roots of the problems that are holding us back. My understanding is that those roots are unfortunately based in soil made of conspiracies at this point in society’s development. It is not necessarily “one” big conspiracy but many smaller and carefully planed conspiracies driven by the devilry of low-conscious conspirators, some of which conspire for the greed of money, some for the greed for power and just plain greed for low-conscious values. The fertilizer that keeps those rotten roots in place and holding back society from evolving is the inability to identify and confront those conspiracies. In order for a gardener to remove weeds from his garden he will first have to identify them, and this is possible for him only once he knows what separates the weeds from the flowers

I agree that many conspiracy theories and theorists lack the ability to self reflect, and their beliefs are often based more on their own ego-delusions than on what is true. However to my knowledge that is true in pretty much any field of knowledge that exists today. Most things that are considered true today will be considered delusion tomorrow, and what is considered delusion today will be considered the truth tomorrow. This is what history tells us. We can never be sure that we have found the truth in anything, and I therefore am also open to the idea that I don’t have the truth about conspiracies at my hand, and I hope that I will always be open-minded enough to accept when my ideas of truth are to be reevaluated (maybe some of you guys can help me reevaluate my belief that conspiracies are the driving factor in society right now)

I see what you mean, but I don’t think that the distinction is as clear-cut as one might think. Obviously there is a huge difference between conspiracies (and theories). From my point of view there exist many degrees of importance within different conspiracies (and theories), some are important and some are less important in terms of how they affect the wellbeing of the people. An individuals understanding of our society will most likely not be improved by wondering or theorizing about some satanic influence in the truth of the moon landing for example. That will only be mind-masturbation, unless of cause it will lead to more important systemic conspiracies, that are much more intimately involved with the future of our society, such as the ways in which government is corrupted in the US through a two party system. The fact that some conspiracy theories that involve and are based on a paranoid mind are absolutely false and of no real usage exist, should not negate the fact that if one is to point out an aspect of society that is infested with “real” conspiracies one is to be ridiculed simply because one is not complying with the status quo. Saying something like “the entire economic structure of our society is not designed for the greatest good of the people, and that is by design” will automatically be deemed a conspiracy theory, and therefore negated to something akin to a child’s joke. However in truth what is being said is of dramatic importance if we want to change our society on a massive scale. A gradual change in the structure of our economics from scarcity/low consciousness based to more abundance/high consciousness based will be of massive importance, and will facilitate a lot of the many great policy proposals that Leo mentioned in his Conscious Politics part 4. However we first have to point out the conspiracies behind the current structure of economics otherwise it will never be changed