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@SOUL Yeah i think you are correct. It is a good distinction to make

I would love to compile a list of the most important traps of awakening, and reflect upon how they arise in the story of this body, mind and soul What i mean by “trap” is simply that which is/has a potential to hinder the blossoming of the understanding of reality in this life, in this very moment. Everything that makes you turn off the highway and go into a blind allyway just for you to realize that there is nothing for you there, and then you have to go back onto the highway without having gained much if anything from deviating from the highway What i have noticed in my own life and contemplations is simply that at any given moment(not all but most moments) there are at least one trap (usually many at the same time) operating that limits “my” understanding of reality right at this very moment. Examples of a few of the traps that are operating at the very moment of writing this text are: - The thought/feeling that there are “traps” hindering reality right now - That there is something missing right now - That there is a “someone” who can do anything about “traps” right now - That i need to understand reality better than i do right now in order to find total peace I have observed in my own life that whenever i notice and reflect upon a trap operating at any given moment, there is somewhat of a release from that trap itself. When for example i notice that i am engaging in the trap of conceptualizing and thinking too much about reality, there is an instant release from the thinking itself and a more direct and usefull/satisfying experience of reality as it presents itself moment to moment. Direct moment to moment experience without any traps operating is what i sometimes think of as the true end of “seeking”. So what are some of the important traps that you have noticed in your own life, and what helped you in overcoming/dealing with them? Thank you

@SOUL Yeah, you can use many words to describe it, and luckily you are free to use the one you like the best But i like the word “trap”, because it implies something that is not obvious when you are in the “trap” and approaching the “trap”. It is something you need to investigate and prepare for. What if you are in a “trap” right now without knowing? Its a little like a fantasy story where the characters in order to get the treasure have to go through a big maze. The maze have lots of traps that will deceive them and keep them from progressing towards the treasure. And a few characters might have some fragments of a map of the maze whereby they can see and anticipate the potential traps along the different paths through the maze. When they know a trap is coming then they can plan for it and are more likely to not be trapped by the traps compared to the ones without anticipation of the traps. Maybe one of the traps are made to look like “the final treasure”, and many characters will fall for the “final treasure trap” and believe they have completed the maze. And only a few of the characters have studied the map cloesely enough to know that the “finale treasure trap” is also just a trap and they need to continue. But what you are saying is completely correct. It is so hard not to fall into the trap/illusion/self-deception/hinderence/etc. when you “litteraly just found the absolute Truth, the one and only Truth”. The trap of believing you reached the end is a big one, and even more so if you use psychedelics compared to traditional tecniques i would say. Even if you believe you have reached an end you are probably better off just enjoying that feeling while expecting it not to be “the end”

Here is a little list of traps/illusions to be aware of Disclaimers: - The list is a work in progress so feel free to criticise/add/subtract - At the end of the journey one may/will probably realize that no such thing as a trap exist… How could it? - Different traps can contradict each other, but thats the nature the game i guess - Each trap has many nuances and can present itself in different ways - Some of the traps are very similar but a sleight difference can mean a lot - To some degree all traps has potential to also be a catalyst for a “possitive” outcome, but generally i would say that it will be most benefitial to be able to recognize when a trap is at work The list: - The trap of thinking you have reached the end before having reached the end - The trap of thinking that any insight/realisation/etc can constitude an actual “end” - The trap of thinking there is an entity who will become enlightened and cooler than everyone else - The trap of thinking/conceptualizing about that which cant be thought of/conceptualized - The trap of not actually practicing spirituality, but only consumimg spirituallity - The trap of chasing spiritual experiences - The trap of comparing yourself with the life of saints and sages - The trap of thinking you are more advanced than you really are/wanting to appear more advanced than “others” - The trap of confusing intellectual understanding for actual understanding - The trap of thinking that you can cheat reality/take a short-cut to understand reality - The trap of thinking that understanding of reality takes dacades and is basically impossible - The trap of thinking that understanding of reality is not possible in this very second, but only in an imagined future - The trap of thinking that reality is human-centered - The trap of believing your world-view to be the truth and trying to fit reality into your current world-view - The trap of making your “maps” too complicated/too simpel - The trap of following one tradition blindly - The trap of following many traditions half-heartedly - The trap of blaming incompetence/lack of insight on genetics/karma/etc - The trap of not compensating correctly for incompetence/lack of insight based on genetics/karma/etc - The trap of conflating relative/absolute and content/structure - The trap of thinking there is a “seeker” who is seeking something - The trap of thinking that “you” can do anything about anything - The trap of apathy/nihilism/giving up - The trap of not examining your direct experience deeply and accurately enough - The trap of thinking that something is missing and you need to find it - The trap of map vs territory - The trap of underestimating your own self-delusion and self-deception - The trap of thinking that you cant be wrong - The trap of believing the mind’s narratives to be other than just empty narratives - The trap of using the wrong tecniques/using too advanced tecniques that you are not “qualified” to use yet - The trap of thinking you have transcended the ego/false-self/jiva when you have not - The trap of seeking happiness and truth “outside” (money, job, social status, relationships etc.) - The trap of not laying a solid foundation - The trap of thinking that you want “truth”, but in reality you want something different - The trap of not investigating your assumptions - The trap of not being openminded enough - The trap of suppression - The trap of not investigating your limiting beliefs - The trap of not seeking help from “others”, and thinking you can do it all on your own in your bedroom - The trap of not realising an important trap If any important traps/illusions are missing then please let me know

@VeganAwake Yes, Yes of course when you recognize that there is no such thing as an individual, then the concept of traps/illusions etc are non-appplicable. But wouldnt you say that before such a radical recognition has taken place, that there appears to be traps that apparently hinders this recognion of taking place? And in that case wouldnt it be of benefit for the apparent person to know clearly what the possible traps look like before encountering them in order to better and faster realize the “non-applicableness” of the ideas of traps/illusions afterwards?

@VeganAwake You make it sound like there is absolutely no illusions/traps hindering your perception of reality right now. Is that true? And if you believe that to be true would you then say that there existed some illusions/traps in your direct experience 1 year ago, 2 years ago or 5 years ago, that you are no longer fooled by?

@Michael Jackson But can you see through those illusions you alluded to right now, without any psychedelic influences?

@Seraphim Cool article You say there is no narrative and incessent thinking going on now, but did you have that before “no-mind”? And was there an immediate change or grandual change when the i-thought was abandoned?

@Seraphim Yep, i can easily see the statements being a trap themselves haha Tell me exactly what changed in your psyche when the i-thought no longer arose. What were your thinking-processes before and after?

@Michael Jackson Great points! Are there any “traps” operating in your direct experience as you read these words? If yes, then discribe them and the actions that you take in order to no longer be trapped by them

Watching this election and the discussions revolving around it reminds me that not much has happened in 4 years, and not even the candidates have changed... at least not since this hilarious little clip was made

Hi @StripedGiraffe That video of yours was a great explanation of some of the core concepts about the ego. You definitely deserve some more subscribers with that quality content hehe. I´m already looking forward to the next video on the ego I´m in the process of writing a short guidebook about the ego, and I am looking for some quality resources to draw from. Do you know of any books/papers/people or anything that might help me gain an even greater understanding of the ego? The guidebook will contain everything worth knowing about the ego for a person on the spiritual path, so it doesn’t matter what part of the ego the resources touches upon Thanks

@zeroISinfinity Of course there is no ego. But saying that makes little difference. To deny the experience of being identified with an ego is a trap. The beauty of the ego is that it has without any substance managed to infiltrate everything in a person’s life, like literally everything from the self-concept to eating habits and beyond. When the ego-structure is set up properly, then its nature is spread everywhere. The craziest thing about the ego is that it has no solidity and it has no center of being, yet still through instantaneous identification it dominates every experience, every single moment the ego arises out of nothingness. How beautiful is that? @Osaid Thank you! That sounds like a really great book I will definitely look into it. @DLH That link is perfect, thank you

Hi Some weeks ago I came back to society after a 3-month Kriya-Yoga retreat. Doing the retreat I had a realization about my ego… Since I started doing serious spirituality some years ago I quickly found myself bound by an assumption about my ego. I thought that I knew exactly the inner workings of it, and that I new exactly how and why my ego keeps itself alive. But doing this retreat I caught a glimpse of the shadowy force, which we can refer to as ego. I noticed that my understanding of my own ego is incomplete. I thought that I understood the tricks and deceptions of the ego, but this false understanding was realized as yet another deception, that the ego uses to keep itself intact. Without a lack of understanding of the ego, there will be no ego. This was at least my realization. That I need to understand the inner workings of the ego, and through that transcend it. And yes I know that this whole thing is 100% an ego-project, and that the idea of understanding ego is only an extension of my own ego, I am aware Quickly I came to the understanding that I should try to write a short book about the ego. I ought to write the kind of book, that I would like to read myself in order to understand my own ego. So I decided that when the retreat was over I would first have to check if such a book already is in existence (I haven’t been able to find one yet), and if it isn’t then I would need to bring it in to existence. This is what I need your help with. I already own quite a fine collection of material, which either directly or indirectly touches upon the ego, but in order for me to write the book I need way more quality research material, which contains all the most essential wisdom about the ego. The idea of the guidebook/handbook is to distill the most essential knowledge about the ego from any source, be it anything from modern psychology to eastern philosophy. The book should provide explanations as to exactly how the ego might be defined (precisely what it is), how it operates and why (all the most essential defense mechanisms, that are hindering spiritual growth), what the purpose of the ego is and so on... Anything that is useful for a serious spiritual seeker to know about the ego must be included in the book. Furthermore there will be footnotes/references to all the “works” I come upon in my research, and other further recommendations for the reader to deepen their own understanding of ego. I therefore ask you guys whether you have any quality books, videos, research papers, articles etc. concerning the ego, either directly or indirectly? Or whether you know some professor/mystic/sage/whatever, whom would be perfect for me to talk with/interview to deepen my own understanding? Any source that has valuable understanding of the ego will be welcomed with open arms To make it really clear, at the moment of me writing this text, I am no expert on the ego. The point is for me to use this process of research and writing the book to deepen my own understanding of my ego, and through this understanding I will hopefully take yet another step towards the great abyss on the other side of ego Thank you for reading Rasmus

That is some interesting resources you found there. If anyone wants to dive a little deeper down the rabbit hole of economics, then I encourage you to look at the resources on this thread as well: https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/40073-acknowledge-even-10-of-thisand-you-are-to-be-deemed-a-conspiracy-theorist/ Have a great day

Hey @Nickyy . I agree with you very much that one will have to develop a finely tuned bullshit detector in order for a deeper understanding of society to form. The problem is that a bullshit detector is always guided by the preconceived understanding of the bullshit, so how is it really possible to know how one should go about designing such a bullshit detector? I don’t think that your advice about letting oneself be guided by anger is a great solution in developing more understanding in society. Fear and anger should never be the way we should go about changing society! Fear and anger is basically the reason society is still in this dense situation of low-consciousness. Fear and anger usually just leads to some other kind of fear and anger. Understanding and vision is primary and should to my knowledge be the guiding principals in a bullshit detector! Instead of letting oneself be guided by a present anger, one should instead just let it be a pointer for a potentially deeper understanding. Society is not just one single pile of bullshit, but a whole field of different piles of shit, and the piles aren’t just bullshit but also chickenshit, goatshit, dogshit, birdshit and so on. A great bullshit detector would not be angry when detecting some walrosshit, since a well-developed bullshit detector already knows the intricacies of how the pile of walrosshit relates to the rest of the piles of shit There are many piles of shit in contemporary society, and you are definitely correct when you say that we need to develop our own bullshit detector.@Nickyy , how have you gone about developing your own ability to spot bullshit? Have a great day

This is my first post after having been a lurker for a looong time… And I will start by offering an apology for not making this post shorter, and if you feel like you’ve wasted your time with reading this I offer you my deepest condolences I felt it needed to be comprehensive to a certain degree in order for my point of view to fully be fleshed out, which it sadly still hasn’t. This is a vast subject so I will probably come across as an idiot because you will think that I’m a tier 1 ignorant snowball. But that is okay with me as long as it will make actualized.org more open-minded. Parallel to what I call my spiritual "awakening" I have had what I consider my own societal "awakening", with which I mean a complete reinterpretation of how society really works. I realized that what my mom and dad, teachers/school/uni and the news told me about society is equally as misguided as that which is taught about the nature of reality by institutions such as the church of scientology or Christianity. I became a believer in conspiracies… The last couple of years I have brushed my societal “awakening” a little bit aside and focused more on the spiritual, but when Leo released his conscious politics episodes it ignited my societal awakening a little bit once again. I feel like Leo has a great and holistic understanding of society, and how we should move forward creating a more loving and aware society, though to my still limited understanding he has missed a huge part of how we are going to do that… Namely understanding the importance of conspiracies in the way our world is constructed. First of all I want to stress that conspiracies do happen! This is what Dictionary.com says about conspiracies: conspiracy = ”the act of conspiring”, conspire = “to act or work together toward the same result or goal”. By this definition conspiracies happen all the time! You can call it devilry if that will make you more comfortable. Conspiracies happen at work, in school, among friends, low-end criminals and especially high-end criminals, politics and government, media, big business, big pharma and “insert” any important aspect of society… They are not simply ideas or theories that some fat and angry stage red/blue/orange type person comes up with in order to satisfy his/her own thirst for power (Alex jones type of people). And they happen every single day! People all over the world are being punished by our court system on the basis of conspiracy every day. A large portion of the significant events in our history from ancient Greece and until modern time has been based on conspiracies. Many important political events (example=the death of Abraham Lincoln and the war on drugs), many important economic events (example= the federal reserve and the petrodollar) and many important military events (example= war in Iraq and the weapons of mass destruction) have been based on a group of people conspiring in secret i.e. they have been working together in order for a specific outcome in society to happen, one that often times works in the favor of their own low-conscious egos. So in my own possible self-deception, there is no doubt that conspiracies do in fact happen, the question is the following: is it of any importance at all? I think that it is of massive importance because conspiracies literally deceive us, they literally define our society and pretty much everyone including Leo brushes them aside as if it has zero influence on society, and that they are absurd and do not exist. What made me start this topic was the fact that Leo writes in his guidelines for this sub-forum, that we are not “allowed” to discuss conspiracy theories, which I believe is equivalent to someone trying to become enlightened being told by a teacher that he/she is not allowed to seek or believe knowledge from ancient and modern mystics because their ideas are too radical… will that person become enlightened? Probably not will be a common answer. Just like someone trying to understand non-duality will not be spoon-fed the truth in any of society’s institutions, one will not be spoon-fed the truth about society in any of the current institutions, not in school, not by the media, and from my point of view unfortunately not completely on actualized.org either. I’m not claiming to be the messiah of conspiracies, and the knower of all the wrong perspectives in other peoples worldviews, I’m just trying to shine a light on to the fact that most citizens understanding of society is lacking by them overlooking the immensity of the conspiracies driving our low-conscious society. If the people on a massive scale are able to understand some of the key conspiracies in our society we will automatically move up the stages in spiral dynamics, because it is to my knowledge this lack of understanding/transparency that is keeping us as a whole from moving towards more love and awareness. Conspiracies are the way by which a stage blue-orange ego can succeed in imposing its devilry onto others. To end this post I would like to say that from my perspective looking for truths about society through any kind of mainstream institution be it educational or mainstream media, American or European one will not find any structural truths, only surface level truths unless one looks at these institutions from a higher perspective, a meta perspective. One source that has been of utmost importance for my current understanding of society is journalist James Corbett from https://www.corbettreport.com/ watch his TEDx Talk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOeAa6Ye4dc on how he came to a new understanding of the role of the media (him becoming what is popularly called a conspiracy theorist). If you like his way of presenting I urge you to look him up on YouTube or corbettreport.com, and watch his absolutely brilliant documentaries on important aspects of society such as the Federal Reserve, policies, military, big pharma and many others. Please look beyond the occasional click-bait titles, which is mostly written with a sarcastic undertone, and note that I definitely do not agree with him on everything since some of his core believes are of tier 1 nature in SD, but that he nonetheless has a tremendous investigative talent. To end this post I would like to say that I currently consider James Corbett to be the equivalent of Leo Gura in terms of understanding how society is shaped, great but not perfect Good luck finding your own enlightened tinfoil hats, and make sure that they contain enough tin

Hi @Apparition of Jack First of all I think it is necessary to contemplate who/what is holding the “real” power in society and how/why this is so. What I mean with “real” power is that there is an important dynamic between what is a perceived power-position such as a president, and that which is the true driving force behind society. Most people who are considered as powerful leaders are rarely as influential as society and maybe even themselves make them out to be. If the president of the USA was as powerful as that position is thought to be, then Trump would surely have lead society into a total collapse of sanity by now, but what exactly has changed? Nothing, Nothing! The conventional view of society is that there is some kind of a centrally orchestrating “cockpit”, wherein all the components that are needed to control society is located. Often people assume that the “cockpit” of society rests somewhere within the white house(in USA) or at the least somewhere within the domain of politics. Less conventionally people also believe that the “cockpit” lies with some kind of nefarious cabal of Satanists or reptilians/archons/a shadowy force who/which is reaching out to all of society like a giant octopus. Common for most worldviews is that the power of society is assumed to be centrally located with either some person/persons in a position of perceived power(politicians, CEOs, Billionaires, banksters etc.) or that everything is controlled by something more shadowy, which is just outside of the stage of society. What I have found is that the “cockpit” can’t be located or found in any “one” specific place, one kind of organization/government/group of powerful people/evil aliens/interdimensional entity/other, but instead it is something much less quantifiable and much more subtle. It is an invisible level of consciousness/a certain perspective/a worldview that manifests itself in many ways within society. This however does not mean that no single person or organization can enforce their own self-serving agenda over a domain of society, and through that be a catalyst for a change/direction throughout society. The problem right now is that the consciousness of society at the moment is extremely conducive of corruption and conspiracy, since the level of understanding within society is aligned with secretive and manipulative behavior by groups/organizations/etc. Society is insanely complex and there are so many “players” who wants to control society or aspects of it, and this will inevitably breed conspiracy left and right in order for specific “players” to assert their own view onto society. And now to the conspiracies… In an earlier post I wrote: “The conspiracies that are important are rarely single occurrences, but systemic issues that run throughout society like a virus that goes undetected. The core conspiracies are so in tune with the nature of our society that they are nearly impossible to distinguish from society itself. This is because they literally are made of the fabric of society it self, they are so ingrained into society, they are the pillars that most people try to defend”. A classic example of a core structure in society that is build upon conspiracy is the way our economy is structured. If one is really looking at what economics are at the core, a conclusion involving the fact that economics does not work in the best interest of the people will probably be made. I started a topic about economics a while ago https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/40073-acknowledge-even-10-of-thisand-you-are-to-be-deemed-a-conspiracy-theorist/… Another example of a structural conspiracy is the control of perception, especially perception of society through news and education. The way that the news-medium work at the moment it is an extremely efficient conductor of political conspiracies, as the news(does not matter which news-station it is, they are all manipulative) literally are able to facilitate manipulation of society that does not work in the interest of the general public. A great example of this is pretty much every single war that America has fought the last 100 years… Look deeply into the war in Iraq, and you will very quickly reach the conclusion that the media knowingly manipulated public perception in order for an invasion of the Middle East to take place. I suggest that you go and explore the rabbit hole yourself, understanding that the “real” power is not what most people believe it is. Just because no single powerful figure controls society, it does not mean that conspiracies do not perpetrate society. There are so incredible many levels to society, and every different level or domain of society at the moment is vulnerable to self-serving agendas… Snatch some tinfoil and get searching Have a great day

Wow Leo's video about the ridiculous importance of distinguishing between content and structure is basically the entire thing that is being pointed at in this thread! The only major theme that does not correlate with my own self-indulgent worldview is that once again it seems that in terms of society and politics, there isn’t quite the same rigorous standard divide between what is deceptive/misleading content, and what is the meta-structure that keeps that content surface-bound. How can this be? It is interesting how one can have such “meta-understanding”, and still get lost in discussing the absolute atrociousness that is the illusion of difference between democrats and republicans. Having a view of society that tells you that there exists an important dynamic in the choice that is presented in a modern “democracy” is the most obvious example of getting lost in content. There might be a 0.0211% chance that electing “one” president over another is going to be the deciding factor in change throughout the all-important structural mechanisms that run society. It is crucial to understand that even if major changes that would alter the path of society were to happen after a somewhat “conscious” president has been elected, that the change did not come from that single PERSON!! But from an elevated meta-understanding of society amongst the general public. Society is far too complex to be centrally orchestrated by a single person. If everything from education to economics to politics and so on were to be changed for the better after an election, it would come at the cost of first exposing the low-conscious structures that are running the show at the moment. As Leo alludes to in the video, this is going to come the moment that meta-consciousness pervades in society. With meta-consciousness there comes to my knowledge an understanding of one of the most fundamental structures that run society, which is the deliberate manipulation of the people through low-conscious people and structures aka conspiracy(ies)… Have a lovely day

Hi @Matt8800. You definitely do raise some valid concerns, some of which I agree with, but I can’t help but notice that it seems that what you and I are talking about here are almost two separate things. When I say that society is driven into a preconceived direction through the use of both certain individuals conspiring and the major societal structures I’m not necessarily talking about theories about Clinton being an “evil” person, or the moon landings being faked, or 9/11 or any other specific “conspiracy”. What I’m really talking about is very much like “the invisible hand” that Adam Smith talked about, where an unseen element is a deciding factor, “the invisible hand” in society isn’t anything tangible but it is the collective identity, which society is attached to at the moment. Society in general lacks depth of consciousness conceptualized in spiral dynamics as tier 1 dynamics namely red/blue/orange/green. This low-conscious identity is the source of all the problems in society, there are no other problems than this one, since every major conceived problem stems from lack of consciousness in that particular societal structure. I can’t see how knowing about conspiracies and advocating boarder understanding is a waste of psychic energy. There has never been a serious root-problem in the history of the human race, which was not first fixed with a proper psychic understanding. If we want to turn society into a beautiful symbiosis of high-consciousness we will have to go beyond anything currently conventional/mainstream and understand the problem at a deeper level, as the inability to do so is surely why we have not progressed further yet. You talk about lack of empirical evidence as if empirical evidence is the highest form of truth, and that it should be the deciding factor in determining the fate of society. There is no such thing as empirical evidence, and a short little internet-search yielded this little document; http://www.f.waseda.jp/sidoli/Omnibus_Science_Sidoli_01.pdf, which I thought summed up the problem of empirical-ness in easy to understand English. It seems so convenient to say that something is empirically true as it feels like it automatically renders every counter argument to a pointless afterthought since “its is empirically true, so you must accept it”, you don’t even have to question anything empirical since under this paradigm there is nothing to question, there is only holding on to the conventionally empirical views. It is generally thought that it is empirically true that the paranormal/occult/spiritual domains of existence do not exist, and that everything that argues the contrary is either ignorance of fact/science or pseudoscience (BTW the terms pseudoscience and conspiracy theory are basically used in the same way in order to frame something as delusional). You and I both know that mainstream science is not correct on this one... I sometimes play with this concept where I generally see two paths of “truth-seeking”. The first path I call the outward seeker who seeks the truths of society and wants to see behind the veil of how society really functions, and then there is the inward seeker who wants to find the truths of that which is within, the truth of the self and of existence etc. Most people are not “seekers”, and so they don’t fit into either of the “paths”, but the ones who are seekers they are usually either primarily seeking “truth” in society often through conspiracies, or they are seeking spiritual truths about themselves and existence. It is rare that one is equally on both paths at the same time, but it happens. Anyone who is solely on either path knows that in order to come to grips with some deep “truths” they will have to go waaaay beyond anything that is conventional. An inward seeker will first find “real” truths once he/she has gone so far beyond the individual mind that the average human can’t understand. An outward seeker will first find “real” truths in society once he/she has gone so far beyond anything the average worldview can accept... My point here is that if you view society as being just like how any random news-broadcast outlines it then you are far from the “truth”. News-broardcasts are equally as misdirected about society as the church of Christianity is about non-duality and the self… There are so many similarities with society and spirituality, and if one is looking for the “truth” in either domain one will have to turn away from the mainstream. A problem arises here where if you are predominantly a seeker of spiritual truths you don’t often go very far beyond the conventional view on society, and therefore you will not arrive at a very deep truth concerning society(this is most people on actualized.org), the same problem goes the other way around for a seeker predominantly seeking in society… Hopefully this analogy makes a little bit of sense I have done quite a bit of research on epistemology myself, however I would like to know if you have some great recourses, that could help broaden my understanding of this very important aspect of “knowing”? Have a great day

Hi @Matt8800 . I love your wisdom in the field of occultism, and I have learned a lot by reading your posts, so thanks for that However I thought that someone like you would be a little less conventional in your view of conspiracies, but that is okay since not everyone can have the same delusions as I… Hehe I feel like you are completely missing the point here. I’m not saying that conspiracies are affecting me personally more so than other people. In fact the opposite is pretty much true, since I was born in Denmark and have been lucky enough to be raised fairly undogmatically by a couple of caring but low-conscious parents. The fact that I have a great life “generally” unaffected by conspiracies does not mean that my vision for the future of society shouldn’t be an important aspect of my purpose in this life. I bet that you and I can agree that our society is not perfect at the moment. Society is not a facilitator of great wisdom and high-consciousness, but quite the opposite. My approach to this problem of low-consciousness in society is that there are root-causes for it, and that these roots are based on low-conscious people/organizations/ideas/other extending their low-consciousness out into society. Society literally is grounded in the devilry that low-consciousness manifests, and that the only way out of this is to acknowledge the low-conscious structures and slowly purge them like one would purge deep-rooted ego-structures during spiritual work. My worldview is literally that the low-consciousness of society is grounded in low-conscious structures, and that these structures are much more far-reaching than what most people believe. Obviously this is not an easy worldview to adopt when ones worldview is based on conventional interpretations of society, and I’m not really hoping to “turn” actualized.org per se other than making people realize that society does not “run” in the way that most people think. Politics is not the deciding factor in the future of our society! The president of the United States of America is not the deciding factor in making society more conscious! He/she is basically a non-factor! Tell me how many of the doomsday prophesies that came true when trump won over an equally dreadful/low-conscious person whom too would be a non-factor had she been president. Look at all the people who thought that the president of “change” aka Obama was going to turn the path of society? What did he do exactly besides being the face of a façade that seemed friendly, funny and down to earth etc. nothing… nothing! Society is not driven by politics. Politics at the moment are like the age old analogy of a puppet theater, or you can use Plato’s cave instead if you like that one better or make one up I you like… the point being that the image you see on the stage or the phantoms you see on the cave walls are just that, images and phantoms, they are not the causes they are simply a façade, a trickery, delusion thought to be the truth. You believe that my day-to-day life is basically unaffected by conspiracies because you haven’t included in your worldview the idea that the structures that run society is infested with devilry. Economics are infested with devilry. Politics are infested with devilry. Schools are infected with devilry. Spirituality is infected with devilry. Basically every major aspect of society that in any way, shape or form influences you on a day-to-day basis is infested with low-consciousness/devilry/ego-delusion/conspiracy. Conspiracies are not rare occurrences happening once or twice in a decade with little to no practical implications, on the contrary they are the very structures that create our current low-conscious society. Conspiracy is literally just the way that lower stages of spiral dynamics exert their own low-consciousness out into the world. Pick one important aspect of society and show me exactly how that domain is not infested with low-consciousness. Even the elements that are trying to put on a mask of high-consciousness (climate warriors, “green” politicians and so on) are rarely more that another trick that the devilry in that domain of society exerts onto the rest of society. The conspiracies in society is not the main mission in the current chapter of my life, it its in fact the total opposite of societal revolution as my current objective in life is spiritual evolution. Once I realize more of the “Truth” and embody it even further I will probably turn my focus more to societal evolution and try to make an impact on the future shaping of society. However I still recognize that on a societal level the most important problem is not who/whom is elected into office in the USA or in Denmark for that matter, but people understanding that it is the basic cornerstones in society that needs to be transformed not the face on the TV-screen. Economics has to be transformed, politics has to be transformed, education has to be transformed and so on. You may tell yourself that I’m wasting my time when I’m believing in this nuttery, but how is that different from when you are told by people unaware of the occult that “there is not more to life than what meets the eye”? As with occultism so it is with society… there is more to society than what meets the eye Thanks for reading! I hope that I didn’t come across as a total jackass way to full of himself, have a lovely day

The purpose of this thread is to slowly remove the devilry and self-deception that is created when conspiracies are neglected, and it is utterly impossible not to discuss conspiracies when the objective is to ignite the fire that will reveal the hidden field of conspiracies, which is keeping society from evolving. Up until this point this thread hasn’t been locked, so it apparently doesn’t completely contradict the ideology of this forum Hopefully none of us will be banned for sharing our own self-deceived worldviews here. Just don’t push any outrageous and “non-productive” conspiracies, which have no real overarching influence on society. The conspiracies that are important are rarely single occurrences, but systemic issues that run throughout society like a virus that goes undetected… The core conspiracies are so in tune with the nature of our society that they are nearly impossible to distinguish from society itself. This is because they literally are made of the fabric of society it self, they are so ingrained into society, they are the pillars that most people try to defend and they are the very thing that people here on actualized doesn't see through. As a wise bald man has said many times here on actualized “The greatest delusions are built upon kernels of truth. There needs to be just enough truth so that the mind can rationalize away all the obvious falsehood.”. It is increasingly disappointing to see that many of the most conscious people on the planet (actualized audiences), who have all to an amazing extend managed to break through the chains of humanity’s spiritual dogma, and are know seeking genuine spiritual purification rather than blind devilry, are not able to apply the same rigor to society that they apply to their own self-discovery. There is equally as much deception in society as in the human mind, if not more. Society is an extension of the mind, and we all know here on actualized.org how little we ought to trust the mind. The mind is the greatest deceiver of them all. When all the discussions about society here on actualized.org mirror the discussions of the average citizen on the mainstream outlets we have take a step back and recognize that something has gone amiss, unnoticed and lacking in Meta. Seriously!! The debates about Sanders vs Yang are damn near perfect reflections of why society is still in the lower stages in spiral dynamics! It simply does not matter who is elected as president! It does not matter!!! It doesn’t. A vote for a single person every fourth year is the greatest masterstroke any deceiver has ever come up with! Change cannot come with a vote, it can only come with meta-consciousness and this unfortunately is not even shining through on the most “meta-conscious” forum on the Internet. Go Meta or go home Go conscious and not Sanders/Yang/anyone!

If anyone wants to dive deeply into the ocean of economics he/she cannot settle for a 7-dollar snorkel and a pair of smudgy 5-dollar swim-goggles. That which is needed is something rare and much more demanding… It is called meta-goggles. Hehe sorry for the bad analogy Honestly I think that this thread; is a great launching pad for deeper understanding and a meta-perspective… Don’t fall into the trap of thinking that you can find the core of economics in any of society’s easily available resources. Rarely can you find anything truthful in anything conventionally acceptable. Don’t look for the truth solely in any academic circle

@Dodo Hey Dodo. I’m curious to know which “conspiracies” you were talking about, and the justifications you got when you received the warning. Furthermore I would like to know how your worldview has changed since then, as it appears that you have constructed a new worldview that does not incorporate the existence of conspiracies… Thanks

I can’t see how one would be able to disagree with this statement: This is just a cool and well-formulated description of how the construction of a worldview is 100% relative and without any substance other than whatever meaning that you ascribe to it. This however is not a sentiment to say that conspiracies are not vital in understanding how our society works, and knowing how we ought to improve it. In my own self-imposed projections a worldview will never be complete without making room for the possibility that conspiracies can be true. How can you understand a structure in society such as government without leaving open the possibility that ego-delusion/devilry/low-consciousness/conspiracies are a possibility within that domain of society? Such a worldview would never be "complete"...