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He’s a bit of a noob in that regard, but it’s not his fault. He’s done the meditation and read the right resources. His brain or God or something is keeping him from making progress in that direction for now, so it’s fine that he uses the psychedelic route to explore and develop both himself and his life purpose in truly venerable ways. His work is great even if he isn’t at the first level of permanent awakening in Theravada Buddhism for example which appears to be the case from my vantage point of being the psychedelic lover who found out they are just a stepping stone in many ways as almost all the more experienced masters have been communicating. I didn’t believe it either. I wanted to think psychedelics were the answer, and they might still have a place even after permanent attainments. It’s just obvious to me now that if you’re limited to only reaching the highest through substances you are not very developed in some of the most fundamentally important aspects of spirituality. And that’s really not Leo’s fault at all. It’s just karma/the conditions of his existence. And he’s bound to perceive any such statement about him as one from below, but well, who cares? All I can say is that when he finally does reach cessation, he’ll see that the psychedelics are ultimately weaker, however, his cessations will produce much more rapid progress than a normal meditator’s cessations as he has supercharged the Arising & Passing Away insight stage with all of these attempts at what he thinks is God Realization.

“Yeah you hit the nail on the head. By the way, OUCH!” - The Nail of Emptiness

AMEN ❤️????

You’re my favorite Bum. Glad to see we’re both getting pulled to the Heavens of the Mundane Divinity simultaneously.

Hey, sometimes I think you’re a bit of a dick, but I know you’re really just being a Dick. Keep Taoing on bro ❤️

I literally just had an awakening to Love then went to open my phone and it was 4:33. I waited to unlock my phone until it hit 4:34 intentionally as a bit of homage to 434. You can get direct conversation with Peter (434 YT creator) if you pay a donation for his time. Throw him $50-$100 for an hour or maybe more if he’s got time, and I promise you it will be worth it. He’s a beautiful soul.

Haha ? I Love you Leo ❤️

If she’s talking about fearing fear.

Yeah… that Buddha guy wasn’t very awake.

I just said to be careful not to make an assumption. That’s all. I was just trying to give you an answer.

Just adding from my experience: sitting meditation and following rules is “for the birds” as they say. Maybe you need it for now to build a good foundation, but effective meditation can be done in any pose or while doing or not doing anything. Most of the time I just lay the fuck down, listen to some good music or a Frank Yang video, and directly investigate the sensations which arise (vipassana). Sometimes the sensations which arise are self-inquiry, do nothing meditation, crazy exalted states of consciousness, w/e. Just investigate. Frank Yang says vipassana means to penetrate and see clearly. Daniel Ingram and others emphasize focusing on the three characteristics (no self, dukkha, impermanence) within the sensations as being vipassana. They’re ultimately the same thing, but starting with the three characteristics as a foundation taught me how to do vipassana effectively. When you’re doing any meditation well, you should have access to a ridiculous amount of energy. This might be a settled/peaceful energy, but you’re not going to fall asleep unless you’re a Navy Seal at the end of Hell Week and sleep deprived to all hell. None of this advice might be right for you right now, but at a certain point, freeing yourself from traditionally stressed ideas of the “shoulds” and “should nots” of meditation can be incredibly beneficial. You cannot embody things to the level of Realization (permanent baseline consciousness shifts) with any ease if you are running against your intuition and nature. You deviate from the Tao when you try too hard to align with it as one old master said (forget who). You can pound your head forcefully into the concrete in 10,000 hours of meditation against your True Nature and get somewhere, or you could just let yourself flow as the Nature/Tao you are authentically. In truth, you never can change anything at all, ever. You’re on a rollercoaster ride rather than driving a car wherever you want, and somehow, the sensations of choice are an integral part of that Natural, infinitely linked chain of causation happening only right here, right now. Good luck. Godspeed. And remember to enjoy the ride ??

No, it’s not. It’s an assumption from direct experience of the Absolute based on the way you’re presenting yourself here plus his experience of dealing with many people on this path. He could be totally wrong in his assumption, but I wouldn’t be too quick to assume you’re the one with the better judgment of the situation either. Ultimately, it makes zero difference if he’s right or wrong on that assumption or where it came from when it comes to how you should move forward. Do the work to the best of your ability, and I hope you prove him wrong.

Psychedelics are just making you see things more compassionately. There’s nothing wrong with eating meat, but it certainly is a phase of moral growth to notice you’re having these feelings. A plant-based diet done right can be really healthy for yourself and good for the planet, but eventually you’ll see that it is okay to go against that limitation if you want. It’s just personal preference. I’ve been vegan/vegetarian a number of times. It’s overall really great, even spiritually, but if it’s unsustainable for you or causes too much suffering to you, you’d better serve the world to remove the excess stress the diet can sometimes cause and focus on awakening to Love and Emptiness directly. If eating that way is congruent with who you are, by all means continue that great decision. If it limits you too much and makes your life worse, consider that this itself could perpetuate more suffering in the world than just eating meat. We are part of nature. Part of it is death. Part of it is suffering. Part of it is survival of the fittest. Part of it is compassion for animals. Just be natural man. However that looks for you.

Here are higher insights put into words. I have verified the majority of what Frank speaks of here in my own direct experience, not as a temporary experience but also as Realization/permanent shifts in consciousness. It’s easy to discount things Frank says from below/lower perspective/lower insight. Be careful of that trap. It’ll hold you back from what you truly want. I also would love to hear deeper insights from Leo. It seems like he is more focused on lower teachings for now though which are more helpful to the majority of people. It is really cumbersome and difficult to communicate things like what Leo experiences, and I totally don’t blame him for focusing efforts elsewhere. It’s probably a wise move for his life purpose. At a certain point, talking about the peaks of one’s awakenings can be a less effective way to teach as no one is even close to understanding them and language limitations/projection keep the message from actually being received.

Pretty good quote. Most people never reach neither existence nor nonexistence. It is essentially the core of Mahayana Buddhism’s Two Truths though. It comes to anyone who experiences Self/God then applies proper discernment and reaches the collapse/annihilation of experience (cessation/Nibbana) then applies proper discernment to that as well. The missing part is applying proper discernment. Most people treat God as an ultimate ground of reality. Less people treat Nibbana as an ultimate ground of reality. Even less people see the inherent impermanence and lack of inherent existence of both God and Nibbana. Tao is probably the most accurate common word related to what comes after, but some choose to still use God/Nibbana/Self/No Self/etc. to describe it although these words are problematic as so many others use these words with a lower level of understanding. Beyond Tao is ________ as the most complete word to describe this. Here’s a pointer for anyone interested: Neither _________ nor _________ but always ________. Sit with that for a while and watch your mind and emotions to see how they react to it compared to “God” or whatever ultimate word you want to use. It’s not about filling in the blanks. It’s about seeing the blanks are are already full with emptiness. As the Buddha said, all the Dharma is empty. It seems like David probably has some strong experience of the territory to be able to put a writing like that together. I hope he’s gotten to the Realization phase to lock it in his direct experience permanently.

Why is it effortless to breathe air but hard to breathe iron? Because there are conditions of existence/experience currently in place. Bending those conditions becomes harder and harder. The question of a bearded God in the clouds isn’t even a question. Numerous people have experienced that vision of God. It’s just a projection/misunderstanding though to think a single thing, being, image, etc. is God. The experience itself is as valid as eating toast. One is just more rare. All are equally actual when the experience occurs. It’s just as true to say everything is real as saying everything is imaginary. Both miss the point. “Everything is ______” is better. “_________ is _________” is even better than that. More importantly is just ___________. This spaghetti monster question is mostly mental masturbation which is fine if that’s what you want for yourself, but I imagine you want more than that, at least I would hope. It’s not even that it’s a “bad” question. It’s just that this line of inquiry is far less reliable for getting you to the understanding of Reality than many others.

Well, for example, gravity is just a mental impression lol. You can be “weightless” 24/7 if you understand the nature of sensations and perception in your waking, sober life. Removing the illusion of gravity altogether is far more radical than being in zero gravity in a scientifically measurable way as an ego who believes gravity is real. Even the laws of physics you think are real are much more bullshit than you’d believe. The laws of physics to reality are like currency is to value. Arbitrary overlay on top of bare sensations. Remove the overlay, and you’ll see it was way different underneath than you could’ve previously imagined. It works somewhat similar in practice/theory to Leo’s older video “Brains don’t exist”, but it’s quite more radical of a shift and harder to break the illusion.

It can be done either way.

It’s possible to have just as direct experience of a Flying Spaghetti Monster as New York City if you focused on that goal long enough in your life and psychedelics/other methods. A lot of what psychedelics do is confirm what you’re already focused on, believe, etc. The thing is that no one gives a enough of a shit to do that with the Flying Spaghetti Monster lol.

Suffering is definitely a strong teacher and creation of energy and motivation on the path.

@aetheroar to stabilize the realization, I think the best thing to do is just more vipassana, more direct investigation of sensations wherever they arise. Do vipassana on your brain/head space that the realization came from. You might find that you still have some tiny and hard to find solidity left there that you think is fully gone. If you find nothing, that’s great, but if you find more solidity, that’s even better. It means you caught yourself thinking it was gone which is going to be what really locks it in for good. If you accidentally feel like the solidity is gone too early, it can put a pause on your progress in that direction.

Leo > Daniel Ingram > Frank Yang Doing vipassana while listening to/watching Frank’s content is like a high dose psychedelic pinpointed at enlightenment Realizations (permanent baseline consciousness shifts). Very powerful stuff. He seems to have really gotten something at a depth I’m not finding elsewhere. Krishna & Buddha had the biggest impact as far as historical teachers go.

This seems like the conversation has just turned into a dumpster fire lol…

I don’t have fear of death on any type of existential/spiritual level. Pain is still unpleasant for the body due to the way it is conditioned to work. At super high levels of development, you can certainly withstand more pain than before because the suffering is not attached to it, but the body reacts to pain on its own. Trying to eradicate pain is a bit of a fool’s errand IMO. The Buddha taught about suffering, not pain. Much of the middle way is about the fact that ascetic disciplines focused on experiencing pain don’t work to become enlightened, at least for the vast majority compared to a more balanced approach.

Yep. Avoidance of pain has nothing to do with losing or not losing the fear of death really.