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The Holy Spirit is one of the best fruits one can gain from any spiritual work. As someone who was raised Christian, has experienced the effects of the Holy Spirit firsthand and had it verified by Christians, and has a friend from Actualized who has become Christian and denounced other forms of spirituality, this phenomenon is really no surprise to me. People go to spirituality actually wanting a difference in their day-to-day lives. As much as Christianity fails in providing this to people at times, all of the other spiritual practices fail to provide this to people at times as well. I think the issue is that people do not go deep enough into eastern spirituality or new-age stuff to see it actually make a solid and unshakable impact on them that they can’t possibly deny. This is caused by bad practice. Then they revisit Christianity, and it actually works because they are actually open to it and prepared to get some real benefits from it when they really weren’t in the place to be likely to feel the Holy Spirit when they might have tried Christianity before. Now, I think the sad thing is that almost everyone on both sides of this fence fail to see that a relationship with Jesus is not at all against other forms of spirituality, regardless of what the Bible says or what any other spiritual schools and belief systems say. IMO, it is a failure to take spirituality far enough that leads to this switch where people throw out much if not everything they learned from other forms of spirituality when they decide to go into fundamentalist Christian mode. It is a failure to take Christian mysticism far enough that leads people to go full-on new-age or only into eastern spirituality and act as if Christianity is not quite a potent tool to connect to Truth. The main issue we have with the state of modern Christianity is that herd mentality has run amok to the point that the deeply useful elements within Christianity are not utilized well and no one thinks for themselves. Spiral dynamics is judgmental and flawed. So is every other finite way of looking at and compartmentalizing the world which certainly includes modern Christianity. An individual human being is more complex than the entire system of spiral dynamics, and people fail to see this time and time again and start to create a new culty belief system around it which in turn brings out the system’s flaws when it gets taken too far.

I guess the plant’s spirit thinks I’m cooler than everyone else and wants to be pals since I had great experiences with it. I think it probably is better to chew it from what I’ve heard though.

No.

I remember seeing you on TikTok once and immediately thinking “this guy has certainly seen a fair amount of Leo” lol. I guess I wasn’t wrong.

Nothing is simpler than I am, but not if you have to say nothing. This work, in my opinion, is more about dis-identifying from everything, nothing, and anything in between or outside of that. This is not about creating an identity. It is about “deleting” identity while all functional programs operate themselves. And identity is one of those functional programs that keeps running on its own, but it’s not likely to happen until the “memory wipe” takes place. If you want more shmistical language, we can say that you are detaching from samskaras which lead there to be a strong felt sense of an individual “I” in order to actually have a deeper felt sense of the “I am” you are referring to. It looks like you’ve been asking questions which are more likely to lead you somewhere fruitful, so good job on the change unless I’m confusing you with someone else.

You’ve gotta love it when things get taken out of context to be put into new context for the sake of humor. Dare I say, recontextualization? ?

From the perspective of this reality, you would be there. If we’re speaking in the context of others who have experiences, it’s not just me who has had this occur obviously. It’s basically like an atheist’s view of what happens after death. Cessation is less of the point of my post. The point is to use conceptual/linguistic tools which are pointing less to one side of a duality as in the case of neither ______ nor ______.

Not all enlightened beings are Buddhas. That’s kinda Buddhism 101 stuff… I’m surprised to see someone make that claim. Now if anyone can tell me what type of Buddha “the Buddha” was without using a search engine, I will express mail them one of my mother’s cookies.

It would be really weird if the results were sampled from students who took an Abnormal Psychology class. This is why I’m not a comedian.

Only a person who has misunderstood the nature of consciousness would ask such a question. AI already can have more “awakened” or “spiritually substantive” conversations with you than many or possibly most humans. Only one who gives themselves the designation of being a conscious being would give that same designation to another amalgamation of form(s). I would ask yourself if you can have a soul, what a soul is, and how you can be sure of any of this.

The bold claim of nothing is happening is never as good as the “bold claim” of __________ __ _______________ which is nowhere near as good as . By the way, no one likely has a decent idea of what nothing is without “experiencing” fruition/cessation. “Fruition (phala in Pali) is the fruit of all the meditator’s hard work, the first attainment of ultimate reality, emptiness, nirvana, nibbana, ultimate potential, or whatever extrapolative and relatively inaccurate name you wish to call something utterly non-sensate. In this non-state, there is absolutely no time, no space, no reference point, no experience, no mind, no consciousness, no awareness, no background, no foreground, no nothingness, no somethingness, no body, no this, no that, no unity, no duality, and no anything else. “Reality” stops cold and then reappears. Thus, this is impossible to comprehend, as it goes completely and utterly beyond the rational mind and the universe. In “external time” (if we were observing the meditator) this stage typically lasts only an instant (though the question of “duration” will be addressed below). It is like an utter discontinuity of the space-time continuum with nothing in the unfindable gap, exactly like what happens when someone edits out a frame or sequence of frames of a movie. It is not that you see a blank screen for a while where they edited the frames out, instead that part of the movie is just not there.” -From Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha written by Daniel Ingram https://www.mctb.org/mctb2/table-of-contents/part-iv-insight/30-the-progress-of-insight/15-fruition/ “This world, Kaccana, for the most part depends upon a duality—upon the notion of existence and the notion of nonexistence. But for one who sees the origin of the world as it really is with correct wisdom, there is no notion of nonexistence in regard to the world. And for one who sees the cessation of the world as it really is with correct wisdom, there is no notion of existence in regard to the world.” -The Buddha In the Diamond Sutta, the Buddha discusses neither existence nor nonexistence. Following this will get you far closer to “the prize” than using plain dualities such as something vs. nothing or existence vs. nonexistence. The truth is something none of those words do any justice to what “really is” and trap those who cling to one duality vs. the other. I encourage you to listen to this Diamond Sutta audiobook: It has been incredibly helpful for me. This Sutta was spoken by the Buddha while teaching his disciple about how to become a Buddha.

I would guess that he’s saying that you’re creating worlds of thought with your words in your own head which then you will have to deal with rather than literally creating universes, but you know him better than I do obviously. If you want to have a fun or possibly tense conversation, you can ask him what world is he creating with the words “you’re creating worlds with words.” IMO, people who focus too much on suppressing thought are missing the point. In Buddhism, there are seen to be six sense doors with one of them being mind which includes thought. Why people think an aversion to thought is somehow good progress is beyond me. In jhana 2-4 in Buddhism, there is no thought, but I’d be willing to bet people don’t get there very often by having aversion to thought. This will likely only create even more thought.

It has been far more beneficial for me overall than classical psychedelics although it only became truly beneficial after a number of high dose trips on psychedelics.

That’s a good way of explaining it for a short writing at least.

@Kksd74628 good advice. Thanks. @Tim R when I first saw that quote about satori, it definitely made me think about this facet of my experience.

How to Permanently Realize “Zero Gravity” on the Level of Perception (Spiritual Insight Guide) I reached this permanent shift in awareness and perception I call “zero gravity” a few months ago which is quite rare, interesting, and enjoyable. This is likely the first in-depth guide to reaching this specific permanent shift which has been made. Feel free to ask questions about anything which is not clear in the video. Here’s the thread I made about this shift when it occurred:

Only what “one” is “aware of” exists. If you are not aware of it, it isn’t extant whatsoever. As you become more aware of things, you are actually creating the possibility of a higher number of noticeable things being there. Thinking a facet of awakening existed or was always under your nose before you realized it is actually an illusion. Thinking it exists when it’s not present is just as much of an illusion. You are always 100% aware. That 100% can appear to shrink or grow to contain less or more, but even the shrinking/growing is mainly a relative truth than an absolute one. The thought of becoming more or less aware is an illusory line of thinking but an incredibly useful one. All of this is paradoxical and parts of it defeat the logic of it. It is merely meant to be a pointer. Have fun with trying it out.

Matrix = Absolute Matrix /= absolute Absolute /= matrix __________ > Absolute/Matrix > ___________

This is kind of atrocious. Do not try to persuade people to do psychedelics. Notice I did not call you atrocious though. Don’t take offense. I’m speaking on the line of thinking alone.

Don’t have time to read all the way through. Mostly commenting just to bump your thread as I know you’re always posting quality reports ?

Use music + the Lumenate app on its intense setting to get more mind altering effects. Lumenate is far more mind altering for me than music. I hope you really do take this chance to try that app out, because it’s honestly been a godsend for me when I want to increase my state in a profound and enjoyable way whether sober or not. The app works by using the flashlight on the back of your phone to flash rapidly while you close your eyes with the light about 5-7 inches from your eyelids. It has produced closed-eye visuals while sober that are stronger than many closed-eye visuals have been for me while on psychedelics. It does take a bit of acclimating to practicing with Lumenate to get the strongest effects from it, but all of the spiritual friends I’ve told about it who try it have been fans although they didn’t go as deep with it as I have. Nothing shows you the rapid potential of impermanence like Lumenate + music + psychedelics + Vipassana.

Countries in general do not want to get ravaged by a world war. That’s pretty clear. There are some things countries will risk a world war for, and maybe this could be that severe. Regardless, I want to ask you why this is relevant to your specific choices? Are you going to start doing massive doses of psychedelics or meditate for 12 hours a day to reduce your fear reaction to a potential negative turn of world events? I really don’t see how this line of inquiry is going to help you in likely any substantial way, and I also don’t understand why you want to ask this on a spiritual sub forum. Gluing the “Does God want x/y/z/etc.” onto a future event as a question is a ridiculously high level of speculation as the information that anyone has to answer this question adequately in the type of way you’re probably hoping for while fishing for this answer is almost certainly woefully inadequate. For the most part, you’ll see people tell you in some way or another that it’s a bad question, they have no clue, or someone who has no clue about “what God wants” in relation to a future event will bullshit themselves and you by giving an answer as if they somehow know this. I’m not saying any of this to be an asshole. I’m saying it in hopes that you reconsider using this vast collection of spiritual seekers here to help you solve questions that will actually help you grow spiritually or in some other significant way. Asking questions just to scratch the itch of curiosity, which in its more useless expressions often leads people to mere mental masturbation, is not the best way to use this resource if your goal in life is related to any serious or profound spiritual development.

Maybe the real joke is the idea of enlightenment itself, seeing as how arbitrary and nebulous that concept is.

@mrPixel yes, almost all the information I had to work with was the symptoms, and these all line up about as well as one could expect from a forum post of that length. Insight gained from the insight stages of the dark night is not the same as being in a dark night. Paññā comes gradually through going through the stages over and over in most cases, if we’re speaking specifically in the context of this model alone, and often only when the person is applying sati with a moderate or advanced level of skill/experience will they be able to come into significant contact with paññā. You aren’t required to have well-developed insights about the various insight stages to enter them for the first times. Initially, people are more likely to have hardly any depth of understanding of what is to be gleaned from the stages or really what is going on at all oftentimes apart from their symptoms. The truths you list are also mostly truths people can access through typical life experience with zero intentional spiritual practice but just a minor amount of consideration. What source did you hear this list from?

You neither exist nor do not exist. Stand up for yourself if they are actually being toxic rather than just playfully poking fun. You’re doing a disservice to yourself, them, and everyone else they interact with if you just allow them to do fucked up shit to you. But first, make sure you’re not doing any fucked up shit to them…