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One of the key aspects of infinity is that it forever continues. Let’s assume someone thinks they have experienced infinity. By definition, wouldn’t they just have perceived an expansion that appears to continue forever? Couldn’t this process of expansion end as soon as the person is no longer perceiving this expansion? It seems that the person is assuming just because they witnessed expansion that seemed to go on forever that it will go on forever. This is the logical/rational assumption to make, but it ultimately is just an assumption that could be entirely wrong. It’s similar to a European explorer going out to sea in the Atlantic Ocean in the 1,400s. He goes out extremely far, further than he could’ve imagined is possible, and he returns to Europe to tell everyone the Atlantic Ocean is never ending. Does his assumption align with what he has directly experienced? Yes, it does completely. Knowing what we know now, his assumption was entirely false. Couldn’t this be the same case for the universe as well as God?

@oMarcos “Once you are dead, your family will no longer exist.” “The universe will still being dreamed, regardless you have a physical body or not, the point to be made still is, "You are it" You're going completely against what he said with this. This is fine though; you might be right. Anyway, how can you at all claim this with any certainty? Leo’s claim of having no beliefs is rather ridiculous and tiresome imo. Fine, let’s assume he has no beliefs. That ultimately doesn’t matter for what I’m asking here. If he says things that align with solipsism, he is supporting it. It doesn’t matter that much whether he claims to support it or not. Someone can claim to not support racism for example, but if they say a couple racist comments, they are supporting it nonetheless. The title of the thread was not “Has Leo Been Publicly Quoted as Saying Solipsism is True?”

I went to an Ayahuasca retreat in Kentucky for one weekend (two nights of taking the substance/medicine - three days total). It costed $375. It was an amazing experience, and the guy running the retreat is very knowledgeable and experienced spiritually. You even get a membership card for the church that allows you to legally possess natural psychedelics and marijuana in any state (you can’t transport 20 kilos of course lol). This card/membership has already been used to win legal cases for psychedelic users. Here is the website where you can sign up. https://www.peacefulmountainway.org/ If you think the psilocybin retreat is for you, go for it, but I think this is a great alternative choice which is much more financially feasible and requires less travel. This isn’t the only ayahuasca retreat possibility in the U.S., but I can attest to its quality. One of the guys who was there with me said he went a lot deeper in this experience than when he went to an ayahuasca retreat in South America. He expected an ayahuasca retreat in America to be less powerful and overall less effective, but he was pleasantly surprised. I saw the retreat change multiple people's lives in ways they had no hope for change occurring before they finished the retreat. It’s amazing stuff man.

@Forestluv what is the difference between a realization and an experience in your eyes then? To realize happens within experience by the definitions I’m using which are the accepted definitions. If you’re using non-standard definitions of these words, please define each. I cannot possibly gain value from or understand what you are tying to say if we are using different definitions which is what seems to be happening.

@Forestluv How can one reliably know that every possibility was experienced?

@oMarcos there are many who claim it is a permanent state.

"If you think the Universe is mundane, if you think there are no more frontiers to cross, no more adventures to be had, I'm telling you, you can turn your living room into the bridge of Magellan's ship on a long Saturday evening with five grams of psilocybin in silent darkness." - Terence McKenna 100% right and 100% necessary for more people to implement, especially in today’s crazy political climate. Take some fucking mushrooms. Lose your fear of death. Experience the core truth that all religions and spiritual disciplines are based upon. See shit no human being has the capability of imagining without this enhancement. Experience things no human being has ever experienced that might never be experienced again by another human being. These experiences are tailored to you and are oftentimes purely unique to you. Lose your worldview. Gain a new one. Lose that one. Meet extra-dimensional intelligences that could be more real than any of us or completely generated by your own mind - you’ll never truly know, but it’s cool as fuck any which way you could look at it. Get possessed by a cephalopod goddess for 5 hours transforming your physical body to cephalopod form while speaking in tongues, potentially communicating on an intergalactic scale with beings no human has likely contacted before, like I did. I can’t say this will happen for everyone or happen on mushrooms, but after taking a moderate dose of ayahuasca two nights in a row, my life changed forever. The ayahuasca “trips” were almost nonexistent as I ended up sleeping through them both nights due to the initial nausea I chose to avoid with sleep. In the months that followed, while no longer chemically under the immediate effects of the substance, I started having what certainly appeared to be and felt like telepathic communication with the Gray Aliens, Archangel Michael, Lucifer, the cephalopod goddess mentioned above, deceased human beings I had a strong intellectual or emotional connection to, ghosts, and other entities that escape my memory at this time. I potentially became the first human being to share what sexual experiences are like for humans to an extraterrestrial species through this telepathic connection. Again, I’m not saying everyone will get this result, but I seemed to accidentally teleport small objects over hundreds of miles on two occasions. Clairsentience, clairvoyance, claircognizance, and much more just might await you if you choose to use psychedelics. This isn’t only for the duration of the trip either, at least potentially. I experienced time dilation to the extent of minutes feeling like hours and seconds feeling like minutes. I was potentially saved from a car accident by my “guardian angels” or other metaphysically capable beings looking out for me. I’d like to point out that I’m just scratching the surface of what I’ve experienced. To go into detail of every remarkable thing I’ve experienced due to my decision to take psychedelics in only roughly a dozen moderate- to extreme-dose trips in the past few years, I’d likely need to write multiple books, and there’s literally an infinite amount of things I haven’t yet explored in the psychonautical or psychedelic landscape. It’s quite possible that my life has been more strange, unbelievable, exhilarating, and meaningful than anyone you’ve met due in large part to what psychedelics sparked in me. It’s not for everyone. The faint of heart should stay well away. If experiencing terror possibly exceeding that of physical death even by torture or extreme experiences such as being burned at the stake or gassed in a concentration camp, this might not be for you. If you fear experiencing hell on Earth, this might not be for you. If you are currently attached to your personal beliefs to the point you don’t want to lose them or find yourself believing something radically different, this might not be for you. On the other hand, if you value or seek adventure, the potential for an incredibly rare understanding of existence as a whole, and Truth, you’ll likely find no other method as effective as the psychedelic method. Slaying a dragon on Mount Everest with Jesus as your comrade while wielding Excalibur very well could pale in comparison to what you’ll find in the psychonautic/psychedelic landscape. I could go on. This is most certainly an unpaid advertisement for psychedelic substances. Many of the good ones are physically safer than alcohol with psilocybin mushrooms being likely physically safer than marijuana according to a recent study. If you wish to be the next great explorer, look not to distant galaxies or the edge of the universe as your goal and a starship to get you there. Instead, look to exploring the infinite potentiality of consciousness as your goal and psychedelic substances as the metaphysical transportation method to get you there. I didn’t even mention you recognizing with utmost certainty the likes of which you’ve probably never experienced that you are God. It sounds like the paramount impossible Truth and experience to most, but honestly, I’ve found some of the other experiences psychedelics have given me as even more profound than that. Experiencing Infinite Freedom might be one good example. If you do wish to pick up the gauntlet I’ve laid at your feet and assume your role as the sovereign navigator of your own infinitely powerful creative vessel aimed toward untold realms of splendor, glory, ecstasy, delight, intelligence, and pleasure, I wish you luck. I say Godspeed to you my fellow explorer. Know that these journeys will mature you in ways normal humans will likely forever be incapable of fathoming. With Love, Your fellow traveller on his own ineffable journey

When you’re not directly conscious of something, does it really exist? And how can there ever be reliable verification that something outside of your direct and present consciousness exists? These questions seem quite silly to most people, especially those who haven’t been on a philosophical and spiritual quest for some time, but most people who have knee-jerk reactions to these questions are basing their conclusions off of stories or explanations for consciousness that they haven’t thought through at all for themselves and almost certainly haven’t verified for themselves. I’m interested to see what people think and the arguments that are presented in favor or against the existence of things outside of present consciousness.

@Someone here elaborate please.

@No Self yeah my intent was not to get into some nondual word game where we lose all value of discussion by changing definitions. I’ve likely had the same insight you’re getting at, but that’s not what is being discussed here.

I’ve probably had around 15 intense trips at this point on moderate to high doses of psychedelics. I’ve done 10 tabs of LSD, 5.87g of shrooms, and ayahuasca all at separate times to note my highest dose experiences. I found a psychedelic that’s far more common or easier to obtain for most people than the substances listed above that gave me some of the most intense trips of my life, at least on par with anything else if not stronger. I’d like to note that I believe this substance’s effects have in some way been affected by previous psychedelic use as well as my specific neurochemistry. People have hit the same exact batch as me and had no psychedelic effect multiple times. I’ve even had far less of a psychedelic effect after a couple weeks of building a tolerance to this substance. What’s this common substance that has the potential to produce greater effects, intensity, and insights than psilocybin, LSD, and ayahuasca? It’s concentrated THC, more commonly called dabs. I figured I’d tell you guys about it’s potential in case it works for you. It certainly won’t work for many people, but I believe experienced psychonauts (including meditators) are more likely to experience this effect. It’s been known for a long time that marijuana can produce psychedelic effects in a small portion of the population, but marijuana never did this for me. A high dose of concentrated THC did. It produced my only experience of infinity out of all the trips I’ve done. The main insights I gained from it were intensely solipsistic and pointed to the unreality of existence. After one of the trips, I was in a super conscious and present state where the “enlightenment experience” you might call it was more palpable for me than ever. Anyway, I just thought I’d share this in case it could work for others. It truly has been powerful for me, but it kind of reminds me of the 434 YouTube channel creator Peter Hedron who regularly contacts machine elves on low and moderate doses of psilocybin mushrooms. It seems like I might have a unique reaction to concentrated THC, but there could quite possibly be some of you here who could experience similar results.

@Michal__ have you tried dabs/concentrated THC after having these mystical stages? Weed definitely has been stronger for me when my state of consciousness is already naturally higher, but for me at least, weed has produced nowhere near the same effects for me as concentrated THC. If you’re looking for an intense experience, I’d give concentrated THC a try. It’ll likely work for you if you’ve already noticed differences with weed.

@Javfly33 I think psychedelics are instrumental for me to experience everything you describe other than simplicity, and even then, if you are describing simplicity in understanding or a simplified knowledge of the truth, psychedelics can help get you there from my experience. The journeys themselves just aren’t what most would call simple. How can an atom in a table come to owe the table something? Or conversely, if you can recognize yourself as reality, how can you come to owe yourself something when you are all that is? I can agree with this on many levels, but ultimately what’s important comes down to an individual value judgment imo. If exploration and experiencing the extreme limits of existence is not important to you, then you’re right. This is certainly the case from specific spiritual traditions and schools of thoughts, but I think this is not an absolute truth by any means. It’s an opinion. If a monk on Earth in year 2,500 said the endeavors of the Starship Enterprise (living in the Star Trek universe for a moment) were useless for example, he could reasonably be considered to be both right and wrong from different perspectives. For me, the deepest realization of Truth shows the ultimate futility of Truth. Once you realize worldly pursuits mean nothing, what makes you still believe spiritual pursuits mean anything either? Just curious how you see this.

@emptiness dancing I’m well aware of this arcane knowledge. I just happened to not give a shit about following it during this individual writing. Separate the text into paragraphs for yourself if you struggle to read without them lol. Do you need my help in grasping the esoteric mystery schools of the question mark, since we’re being nit picky? Also, your last period needs to come before your last quotation mark if you are using American English. There’s a big difference between knowing how to use something and choosing to use something. Don’t assume someone doesn’t know something simply because they don’t follow it or use it.

I also wanted to say that I’ve experienced the complete transformation of my physical body into a cephalopod body and spoke in tongues for 5 hours straight on one of my 5 dried gram mushroom trips. He’s right about that, but I think it’s unrelated to the Holy Spirit mostly. I’ve never felt the Holy Spirit during a trip, but ayahuasca made it possible for me to experience the Holy Spirit to levels like never before. This happen after the trips though, not during.

In my opinion, comparing enlightenment to baptism of the Holy Spirit is unnecessary. These are two mainly separate yet loosely related spiritual experiences. I believe I have experienced the Holy Spirit to degrees 99%+ of Christians have not. It certainly brings power in a metaphysical sense from my experience. I don’t think it’s power as in you’ll suddenly have the ability to overthrow a government or physically heal people at will, at least not in most cases. The power I’ve found through my deepest connections to what I call the Holy Spirit is a connection to spiritual, and for me also likely physical extraterrestrial, beings. During the time period I was most attuned with the Holy Spirit, many inexplicable things happened such as objects in my life teleporting or manifesting hundreds of miles away from their last known location to me with no scientific or logical explanation that seems plausible from my judgment. Telepathy, clairsentience, clairvoyance, and possibly claircognizance came to me. I was saved from a car accident at this time in a miraculous way potentially by guardian angels or other spiritual or extraterrestrial beings trying to protect me. I began to come in contact with entities such as Lucifer (at least a Luciferian clairvoyant woman said it was Lucifer) which literally changed my vision from dark to bright in a sort of undulating fashion and even altered the color of a photo I took on my phone. This happened while I was in the same room as her during a tarot reading and also a couple other times. Enlightenment, to me, comes in many forms, but the most notable is God Consciousness and God Realization. This is to say knowing or becoming unquestionably and fully conscious that you are God and you literally created everything you’ve ever experienced and the entire world you’ve ever known. Other enlightenment such as satoris are similar to what Eckhart Tolle might experience as being fully immersed in the present moment without thought or ego. It’s much different than experiences correlated with feeling the Holy Spirit in your life, in my opinion.

I don’t believe in Jesus actually being code for psychedelic mushrooms as some scholars have suggested, but there is some decent evidence to show that mushrooms have an abnormally high prevalence in ancient Christian art. Imo, nearly all major religions are in some way tied to psychedelics. I think it’s potentially likely the first spiritual experiences Homo sapiens ever had were very close to the genesis of our species due to the commonality of psilocybin mushrooms in the regions where Homo sapiens originated. Human spirituality could in theory go back much further than Homo sapiens and actually be older than our species itself due to psilocybin mushrooms being present throughout the whole duration of every human species’ existence in every place humans have existed other than modern Antarctica. Humans like easy food, and mushrooms are a good source once you can distinguish the lethal, safely psychoactive, and food only mushrooms from each other. I’d say it’s almost unquestionable that Homo erectus stumbled upon psilocybin mushrooms and accidentally ate a dose high enough to support an enlightenment experience in the over one million years they existed. Soma and kykeon are good examples of psychoactive substances that were likely psychedelic if you follow the descriptions of their effects. The Aztecs called psilocybin mushrooms teonanácatl - the Flesh of the Gods and are known to have regularly used the psychedelic in spiritual ceremonies. It’s funny that most modern understandings of eastern religions and even Christianity think there is no connection between psychedelics and the history of their religions. Even if those religions did not use psychedelics themselves, they were nearly unquestionably influenced in meaningful ways by other spiritual traditions built upon the use of psilocybin mushrooms as this activity could quite possibly be millions of years old and in every region where humans lived. Compatibility with psychedelics and likely specifically psilocybin mushrooms is built into our brains and our DNA. We have far more receptors to accept psilocin than other great apes. This suggests a possible long-running symbiotic relationship between humans and psilocybin mushrooms. These mushrooms are known to have been used for spiritual purposes for over 2,000 years in North and Central America making their use verifiably older than Christianity and potentially verifiably older than Buddhism with a bit more data. The Aztecs arguably might have a more developed understanding of spirituality than many of the most popular world religions. Their mushroom use gave them many similar insights to the most developed forms of Buddhism and Hinduism which as far as we know had no connection to Central America. This is evidence that spiritual truths are not specific to one religion and that different religions are accessing the same source of insight through different methods. This shows there are many paths to spiritual truth and claimants of one religion or belief system being the supreme truth while all others being false is quite laughable if you truly have not only heavily studied but also experienced spirituality for yourself.

What doses are you doing? It could be possible that doing a higher dose would force you to only have one choice: surrender. This could backfire though. Terror is an important aspect of psychedelic trips imo. It isn’t pleasant in some ways when you experience it of course, but it is providing you with a valuable experience of the potential of consciousness nonetheless. Maybe it’s time to try a different psychedelic too.

On another thread, someone asked, “Are you the Big Bang?” My response further solidified my growing sense that spirituality, philosophy, personal development, and making a sandwich are absurd and preposterous. Absurdity defined by Albert Camus: “If I see a man armed only with a sword attack a group of [people armed with] machine guns, I shall consider his act to be absurd. But it is so solely by virtue of the disproportion between his intention and the reality he will encounter, of the contradiction I notice between his true strength and the aim he has in view. Likewise we shall deem a verdict absurd when we contrast it with the verdict the facts apparently dictated. And, similarly, a demonstration by the absurd is achieved by comparing the consequences of such a reasoning with the logical reality one wants to set up. In all these cases, from the simplest to the most complex, the magnitude of the absurdity will be in direct ratio to the distance between the two terms of my comparison. There are absurd marriages, challenges, rancors, silences, wars, and even peace treaties. For each of them the absurdity springs from a comparison. I am thus justified in saying that the feeling of absurdity does not spring from the mere scrutiny of a fact or an impression, but that it bursts from the comparison between a bare fact and a certain reality, between an action and the world that transcends it.” WARNING: Skip this paragraph if you value comedy whatsoever and desire to maintain sanity. Absurdity defined by me: Here’s a side note and horrible joke I need to say before I can get on with my post that no one will laugh at: Camus said, “If I see a man armed only with a sword attack a group of machine guns, I shall consider his act to be absurd.” I’d say that’s the most absurd thing I’ve heard of Mr. Camus. Why in the hell would a guy in the modern world wield an archaic weapon in an attempt to destroy a pile of modern weapons also made of similar metal as the archaic weapon? Is this some kind of tasteful artsy exhibition of the old ways being superior to the new performed in front of high-brow intellectuals with too much money and time meant to amuse them? Okay. Back to the post. This was my response to the Big Bang question: “I’d argue that no, you aren’t the Big Bang in a certain sense at least. You are no more the Big Bang than you are Christian Heaven with pearly gates and an anthropomorphized caricature of God. Both of these things are 100% given to you by and based upon the speculation and beliefs of others. Do you really think any scientist has direct experience of the Big Bang? Do you really think any Christian has direct experience of the Heaven they believe in? Furthermore, both of these things are completely irrelevant to what you are in the most fundamental or real sense because you have not directly experienced either of the two even if others have. You ARE the Big Bang in the sense that the Big Bang exists within your imagination, thoughts, and beliefs. You are consciousness, of course, as has been explicated around here and the Actualized.org YouTube channel ad nauseam, but if we extend the word consciousness to follow the one hour+ long definition exhibited in Leo’s latest YouTube video about directly experiencing yourself as God, you are everything in your perceptual bubble. My extension of this that Leo does not cover is that beliefs, thoughts, your ego, and anything spiritual teachers or traditions tell you is illusion, Maya, not ultimately real, or false in some way is actually you just as much as any other “aspect“ of consciousness. Your beliefs, thoughts, ego, etc. that everyone around here lately seems to be saying aren’t you are just as much you as anything you’ve ever experienced on the level of your hand in front of your face. Of course, you likely won’t come to truly grasp this if you do not first have that direct experience of your hand as consciousness, God, colors and shapes alone. After you have that experience, it’s necessary, if your goal is progress, to move to the conclusion that “mental” things like thoughts or the ego are merely phenomena all the same as your hand or a red ball on your floor is. The distinction between the grouping of ego, thoughts, and “purely mental” (not physical) imagination and the grouping of “physical” objects, your body, “purely physical” imagination (typically called reality) and other such things is 100% and absolutely arbitrary. It’s god damned infinitely arbitrary lol. On a mini but relevant side note, even the individual’s direct experience of something leads to only speculation and beliefs if the individual makes any attempt to extrapolate that direct experience into words, explanations, or intellectual understanding. Yes, this applies to our resident God-teacher Leo Gura and any other being making such an attempt including me and what I’m doing right now as I’m writing this. Pleasant sounding spiritual realizations such as “the fabric of the universe is love” or plausible seeming statements like “consciousness is the fabric of the universe” are ultimately useless in the final step of realization. This is because using the word love or consciousness immediately divorces you from what your awareness experiences by bringing that experience to the level of abstraction. The level of abstraction is precisely where that experience did not occur. Every single word in any language is an abstraction. As soon as a word is used, you get lost in infinite permutations of definition. To understand how lost you get with any word, I’ll use a simple word as an example that is very directly experienced to every non-colorblind person. Define to me the word red in your own words. You’ll quickly see when trying this that you are no closer to capturing the directly experienced “essence” of red in language. You might say “it’s not blue.” Then you have to define blue. Then you have to define color. Then you have to define perception. You can go on forever using different combinations of English words or even eventually all words from all other languages that have even been made or ever could be made to try to capture what red is, but you’ll never describe the experience adequately with words. This is why a colorblind person or blind person will never understand a color that they can’t experience for themselves. Language doesn’t do anything if people don’t have shared direct experience of the phenomenon in question. Luckily, we can finally come full circle by realizing that words are reality just as much as what is directly experienced by your senses as the intellectual mind is just another avenue for a different sense than the 5 ones typically thought of as perceptual. You also perceive thought, mental images, definitions, etc. Where did we get with all of this explanation? Pretty much nowhere. That’s where your Big Bang is as far as anyone can truly verify, not to mention it’s a past event and only the present moment exists according to Eckhart Tolle who people call enlightened. What a joke. Fin.” So yeah, are we fucked or not?

@Aturban did you make that video? It’s probably the most entertaining video I’ve ever seen put on top of an Alan Watts audio track, and I’ve seen and listened to about all of the common/popular ones out there. If you did make the video, I’d say what you’re doing is a good way to get people to listen to Alan Watts who typically don’t lol. It’s got to be an effective way to create further interest in Alan Watts considering how the average person still isn’t likely to listen to a basically audio-only track of him. At first I just read the text in your post. After you asked me about listening to what was said, I went back and watched the video. To be honest, the 3 ish minutes of Alan Watts talking didn’t add much more to the essence of what was being said compared to the text you quoted from the video that I read initially. I don’t see anything worth adding or removing from my initial response after watching the video. So yes, you were right that I didn’t listen before my post, but I’m unsure of how you correctly guessed that since watching the video didn’t give me anything of substance that I didn’t address in some way with the initial post. Do you have any response to what I said?

I’d argue that no, you aren’t the Big Bang in a certain sense at least. You are no more the Big Bang than you are Christian Heaven with pearly gates and an anthropomorphized caricature of God. Both of these things are 100% given to you by and based upon the speculation and beliefs of others. Do you really think any scientist has direct experience of the Big Bang? Do you really think any Christian has direct experience of the Heaven they believe in? Furthermore, both of these things are completely irrelevant to what you are in the most fundamental or real sense because you have not directly experienced either of the two even if others have. You ARE the Big Bang in the sense that the Big Bang exists within your imagination, thoughts, and beliefs. You are consciousness, of course, as has been explicated around here and the Actualized.org YouTube channel ad nauseam, but if we extend the word consciousness to follow the one hour+ long definition exhibited in Leo’s latest YouTube video about directly experiencing yourself as God, you are everything in your perceptual bubble. My extension of this that Leo does not cover is that beliefs, thoughts, your ego, and anything spiritual teachers or traditions tell you is illusion, Maya, not ultimately real, or false in some way is actually you just as much as any other “aspect“ of consciousness. Your beliefs, thoughts, ego, etc. that everyone around here lately seems to be saying aren’t you are just as much you as anything you’ve ever experienced on the level of your hand in front of your face. Of course, you likely won’t come to truly grasp this if you do not first have that direct experience of your hand as consciousness, God, colors and shapes alone. After you have that experience, it’s necessary, if your goal is progress, to move to the conclusion that “mental” things like thoughts or the ego are merely phenomena all the same as your hand or a red ball on your floor is. The distinction between the grouping of ego, thoughts, and “purely mental” (not physical) imagination and the grouping of the perception of “physical” objects, your body, “purely physical” imagination and other such things is 100% and absolutely arbitrary. It’s god damned infinitely arbitrary lol. On a mini but relevant side note, even the individual’s direct experience of something leads to only speculation and beliefs if the individual makes any attempt to extrapolate that direct experience into words, explanations, or intellectual understanding. Yes, this applies to our resident God-teacher Leo Gura and any other being making such an attempt including me and what I’m doing right now as I’m writing this. Pleasant sounding spiritual realizations such as “the fabric of the universe is love” or plausible seeming statements like “consciousness is the fabric of the universe” are ultimately useless in the final step of realization. This is because using the word love or consciousness immediately divorces you from what your awareness experiences by bringing that experience to the level of abstraction. The level of abstraction is precisely where that experience did not occur. Every single word in any language is an abstraction. As soon as a word is used, you get lost in infinite permutations of definition. To understand how lost you get with any word, I’ll use a simple word as an example that is very directly experienced to every non-colorblind person. Define to me the word red in your own words. You’ll quickly see when trying this that you are no closer to capturing the directly experienced “essence” of red in language. You might say “it’s not blue.” Then you have to define blue. Then you have to define color. Then you have to define perception. You can go on forever using different combinations of English words or even eventually all words from all other languages that have even been made or ever could be made to try to capture what red is, but you’ll never describe the experience adequately with words. Luckily, we can finally come full circle by realizing that words are reality just as much as what is directly experienced by your senses as the intellectual mind is just another avenue for a different sense than the 5 ones typically thought of as perceptual. You also perceive thought, mental images, definitions, etc. Where did we get with all of this explanation? Pretty much nowhere. That’s where your Big Bang is as far as anyone can truly verify not to mention it’s a past event and only the present moment exists according to Eckhart Tolle who people call enlightened. What a joke. Fin.

Here are the studies that were referenced. https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/single_dose_of_hallucinogen_may_create_lasting_personality_change https://www.beckleyfoundation.org/resource/lsd-induced-entropic-brain-activity-predicts-subsequent-personality-change/ https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/hbm.23234 I’m starting to wonder if it’s worth it to even try to show that psychedelics have spiritual value for people like this.

@Javfly33 my main argument here was not at all that psychedelics cause permanent enlightenment. I agree with you on this. Something being beneficial for spiritual growth is not the same as being a one-stop-shop for instantly gained permanent enlightenment. My argument was first that psychedelics can cause both chakra activation and kundalini energy to rise. For that part, all I can argue with is my direct experience. He won’t believe it if he doesn’t want to. Both of those things can greatly help enlightenment. The next part was that the personality shifts that psychedelics give are helpful on any serious spiritual path. Higher openness and less neuroticism is always going to boost things. Openness helps mainly with fine tuning your theory while lower neuroticism is going to make meditation more effective.

That’s not what you’re pointing to imo. You are using the accepted definition of nothingness which does not align with what he is saying as he is using a completely different definition. “so truth is that everything IS and will always BE.” Dude, go grab a piece of paper and a lighter. Take the THING that IS your piece of paper. Right now, it’s a thing. Right now, it IS. Use your lighter to catch the paper on fire. Soon you’ll have some ashes in front of you. Is that thing that was the piece of paper still IS’ing anymore? No. The piece of paper is completely eradicated from your direct experience. There is a different thing now IS’ing in front of you. The ashes. Is the paper still IS’ing out there in some unverifiable spirit realm designated for college-ruled papers only? Maybe. That’s the only shot the paper has at still BE’ing. You’ll likely never know one way or the other. If everything, literally separate the two words for simplicity in understanding, there’s every and thing. Every = all. Thing = any object, person, place, etc. Every thing will certainly not always BE. The very nature of the reality is for things to constantly be morphing into other things which constantly makes the previous forms no longer existent. Existence IS. Yes, you’re right. There’s no opposite to it? There’s no way to verify this either way for nonexistence literally, by definition, is the state of not IS’ing.

From the perspective of a nondual experience, you’re right, but these insights lose all value once you use the English language to describe them. In the framework of the English language, which we are using, the statement Experience = Nothingness means as much as taco cat = fat bear. By definition in English, neither is true or makes any sense as things that are clearly not the same are being said to be the same. Now I’m seeing more clearly why spirituality does not make any sense yet is the most true thing there is. No wonder Zen Buddhists used koans to create enlightenment in students. “What is Buddha?” and its answer, “Three pounds of flax.” Makes just as much sense as Experience = Nothingness