Mason Riggle

Who does? Sam Harris, wave, who is actually You, ocean?

@Mannyb who are you talking to? Yourself?

@Natasha 'you are not controlling the storm, and you are not lost in it, you ARE the storm' - Sam Harris. Does this sound like Harris doesn't grasp the concept of 'oneness'?

Perhaps.. will you run out and rob a bank today?

Yes, which is Sam's point. For this conversation (or any conversation) to matter, is to be 'locked into the materialist paradigm'.

@Leo Gura Who's consciousness? When you say, 'YOU' are all there is, who are you talking to?' Yourself? When you say 'Sam Harris is locked into his paradigm', who are you talking about?' Yourself? The appearance of Sam Harris? It's a little strange to claim, 'YOU are all there is, but there is also Sam Harris.'

Who says Sam Harris doesn't exist (other than non materialsits)? Perhaps Sam doesn't exist, materially, in which case, neither does his paradigm) To admit of Sam Harris and Sam Harris' paradigm existing, is to be 'dual'.

@Carl-Richard when have I ever said that? Quote me. I think reality is 'non-dual'. There's one infinite nothing/everything. I only seem to be 'me', separate from Everything, when I forget this, or when I/God pretend (imagine, dream, create separateness through duality) that I'm not 'all of this'.

@Inliytened1 I think he operates from a paradigm in which materialism is probably the case, without being tied to that being necessarily the case. (As does @Leo Gura, when he speaks about Sam Harris being a material person, while understanding that it might also be the case that Harris is Leo is God is you is me). "I might be a brain in a vat" - Sam Harris

@Inliytened1 which is Sam's point. For Sam to be Sam (and not @Leo Gura and you and me), materialism is the paradigm in which he is.

@Leo Gura do you think those MAGA people are real? I wonder.

@Leo Gura Ha! Not quite that delusional.

@Preety_India I thought this was Sam Harris...

@Leo Gura as you once said, the real mind fuck is when you find out the Map IS the Territory. Imaginary, real.. no different. Ta da!

@Leo Gura I think you don't understand Harris' view as well as you think. His point is not that complicated. 'Outside' the paradigm of 'materialism' there is no Sam Harris, materially, who has a paradigm. If you think Sam Harris is a material person with material brain who has a paradigm from which he operates, this is only true from the materialist (or dualist) paradigm.

@Leo Gura what is 'something' from any other paradigm than 'somethingness'? Who is 'Sam Harris' from any other paradigm than one in which Sam Harris is someone?

@GreenWoods my reality runs parallel to yours, relatively speaking.

Sam's paradigm is that this all might be a dream, or imaginary, or real, and it doesn't matter which it is, unless it's real. For something to 'matter', is to operate from a 'materialist' paradigm.

This statement only has meaning in Sam's paradigm, where Sam has a mind, separate from 'that which is not Sam's mind'. It's like dreaming about Sam Harris and Rupert Spira, and declaring within that dream, that dream Sam Harris REALLY thinks the dream is real, but dream Rupert understands it's all a dream.

I love you all (me) too!

@Mannyb I think we mostly agree. There can only be a 'you' and a 'me', who exist materially, from a Materialist perspective. To even have an opinion about the conversation between Sam and Rupert, is to take Sam's position, that there is a real difference between Sam and Rupert which can matter. Either I am @Leo Gura, Sam, You, Rupert, God, Everything... or I am not. Or I'm neither/both. To assume I am not you, is duality. Agree?

What shall we talk about? If you and I are 'separate' from each other, that's materialism. If we're not, then I'm talking to myself.

I ask rhetorically. Why am I here talking to myself? I suppose because that's exactly what I/God wants to be doing.

@Chris365 reality is 'non dual' but can only be 'described' through 'duality'. The map will never accurately describe the territory. It's always now.

Nothing/Everything can only seem like 'something' by pretending it's not what it is.