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Just gotta say love the idea of having to make your meaning and value and a society that doesn’t impose one upon you. I never put any value into value and it’s going to be interesting to see what’s valuable when there’s no labor economy.

@mandyjw if you can fart in front of someone and feel no shame about it then this is someone who you should keep around.

@VeganAwake amen brother

Doership is an illusion

I would suggest that there is just what is. and it’s unknowable you can’t call it a conceptual framework cause that’s not what it is it’s not god, consciousness, and no self it’s just whatever is appearing to happen and that even isn’t it it’s just unspeakable I mean in the story you can try and understand it but for what end? You’ll get no closer or farther from what is. To me it seems like there only is apparent stories but no reality to them, they a seeing can arise that they never happened just like the past or future, where is it? You can only tell a story about it

@VeganAwake exactly

@VeganAwake @ADD you can’t know that either it’s just whatever is apparently happening

Whatever this is can’t be explained and There doesn’t seem to be a way to get any closer or further away from it; no matter what practices happen or substances consumed. no need to seek or not seek. It is what it is

@VeganAwake and they mean nothing

reality is unknowable

Seems like there is just a sensation of being localized inside a body but beyond that it seems like everything is happening automatically without a doer, the heart beats itself thoughts appear randomly, muscles twitch there is no centralized force doing this. To me the bullshit is claiming there is an individual in charge of all of that stuff just because there is a seeming feeling of separation, just a conspiracy cooked up. dont stop seeking, dont start seeking, i mean from what i just said there is no person that could help your situation anyway. whats happening is whats happening and definitely agree here

Buddhist teachers, Gurdjeff, Osho, Jim Newman, Tony Parson, Sadhguru, Leo.

@Leo Gura sounds great but seems like a lot of pressure I hope I get there and it’s meaningful for me but if not I’m okay with it too

@Wilhelm44 amen brother

I’m quite skeptical of someone saying there is a goal I mean I used to think there was one and maybe there is but it’s not like once you reach it you die and there applause waiting for you, I mean shit maybe there is I don’t know according to Sadhguru when you get enlightened you leave the body but I’d just say let life happen and if you don’t that’s just what’s happening, you got to take all this personal development stuff with a grain of salt, it’s important but it’s also a never ending hamster wheel or at least it can be

Some people say god realization is the goal of life but to me it just seems that means no more intrinsically than taking a shit or stubbing your toe. It’s an experience or sensation yes and potentially a good one maybe an aha moment but you cant tell me it means anything more than anything else in this

@VeganAwake in a sense it’s just such a mindfuck cause it truly does seem like there are higher and higher states of consciousness and that you can progress but then you have to ask “to where”? And that’s when I think the bullshitting starts cause how could an apparent person outline for someone a point when they are enlightened I mean you can’t know if you’re enlightened cause there’s no one and there never was and even I don’t know how that can be said definitively. It just seems to be like beyond whatever this is anything and everything is bullshit language concepts stories etc and the sense of self for sure but again no one can know it. like I feel that there is an apparent path to walk and practices to do but I also don’t think they mean anything just like it doesn’t mean anything intrinsically to go to the gym you just have apparent benefits from and it alters the appearance but I’m probably preaching to the choir here.

Great thread, ultimately it doesn’t matter but if I could choose to make reality it would be much better with no goal or apparent purpose or meaning, it would be total freedom. It sounds nice here. I still feel like a person but I don’t know if that means anything. I can’t stop seeking or doing practices and watching spiritual vids even if I assume they go nowhere, and I am bi polar and mystical stuff has happened to me but again I don’t know if that means anything.

Ultimately I have no idea what path is right or what to follow, it’s just what resonates I guess. For a while Leo’s teachings resonated and they hit but now it’s advaita. I don’t know what’s true in experience there’s a order to everything and things happen mystically. However I cant say that any of that means more than anything else or that enlightenment or realization is more important than taking a shit. it seems like effort and laziness achieve the exact same which is not getting you farther or closer to what already is, but hey if you feel like meditation will get you there it’s not wrong, neo advaita could be bullshit so could Buddhism or any other religion how can one know ultimately

Neo advaita takes the wind out of my sails. and yet something resonates with that message more than any other message I’ve heard.

How can someone know if neo advaita is bs? To me it seems just as valid as any other spiritual school of thought. a sticking point for me is I just don’t feel like there is someone in a body on a journey that could do things to get me anywhere better, it’s all just this right? How could it not be will this change if meditation or psychedelics happen? And isn’t it me making up all the meaning?

Quite the mindfuck eh, it’s all the story of the human race which could be acknowledged to be real or could be completely ignored. It’s the question if the news happens but there’s no one conscious of it did it really happen at all?

Mostly just consistency of practices and the belief in such practices as means to get to somewhere better than what is already here and happening. I long for god realization via kriya yoga or meditation chastity etc but also have a hard time believing that it will all get me somewhere to fulfillment or “being done”. I resonate very much with the neo- advaita message which says that there is nowhere to get and no one doing actions, because of this I sometimes have no motivation and feel like there could be a reality where I do all of that work and get no closer to god. I want to run an experiment and see if something like doing practices and chastity can bring me closer to an awakening but can’t help feeling like it’s a game. Hope this helps!

I loled at “McConnell is a Democrat plant”

You gotta try something new man, I’ve failed at many jobs and the ones I’ve succeeded at have been unfortunately ones which are not available in my city or are far away, I have server bi polar too which sometimes makes it hard to focus, but yeah man there is something for you, maybe don’t do a job that is so time dependent where you can focus on your work or craft, personally I’ve switched from tennis coach to learning about music and starting my own business. User @Consept has a nice series on starting an amazon fba business which I finished and am finally about to start, I find it hard to be time pressured and micromanaged too trust me some things are out of your hands, just keep working man