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reality is unknowable

Seems like there is just a sensation of being localized inside a body but beyond that it seems like everything is happening automatically without a doer, the heart beats itself thoughts appear randomly, muscles twitch there is no centralized force doing this. To me the bullshit is claiming there is an individual in charge of all of that stuff just because there is a seeming feeling of separation, just a conspiracy cooked up. dont stop seeking, dont start seeking, i mean from what i just said there is no person that could help your situation anyway. whats happening is whats happening and definitely agree here

Buddhist teachers, Gurdjeff, Osho, Jim Newman, Tony Parson, Sadhguru, Leo.

@Leo Gura sounds great but seems like a lot of pressure I hope I get there and it’s meaningful for me but if not I’m okay with it too

@Wilhelm44 amen brother

I’m quite skeptical of someone saying there is a goal I mean I used to think there was one and maybe there is but it’s not like once you reach it you die and there applause waiting for you, I mean shit maybe there is I don’t know according to Sadhguru when you get enlightened you leave the body but I’d just say let life happen and if you don’t that’s just what’s happening, you got to take all this personal development stuff with a grain of salt, it’s important but it’s also a never ending hamster wheel or at least it can be

Some people say god realization is the goal of life but to me it just seems that means no more intrinsically than taking a shit or stubbing your toe. It’s an experience or sensation yes and potentially a good one maybe an aha moment but you cant tell me it means anything more than anything else in this

@VeganAwake in a sense it’s just such a mindfuck cause it truly does seem like there are higher and higher states of consciousness and that you can progress but then you have to ask “to where”? And that’s when I think the bullshitting starts cause how could an apparent person outline for someone a point when they are enlightened I mean you can’t know if you’re enlightened cause there’s no one and there never was and even I don’t know how that can be said definitively. It just seems to be like beyond whatever this is anything and everything is bullshit language concepts stories etc and the sense of self for sure but again no one can know it. like I feel that there is an apparent path to walk and practices to do but I also don’t think they mean anything just like it doesn’t mean anything intrinsically to go to the gym you just have apparent benefits from and it alters the appearance but I’m probably preaching to the choir here.

Great thread, ultimately it doesn’t matter but if I could choose to make reality it would be much better with no goal or apparent purpose or meaning, it would be total freedom. It sounds nice here. I still feel like a person but I don’t know if that means anything. I can’t stop seeking or doing practices and watching spiritual vids even if I assume they go nowhere, and I am bi polar and mystical stuff has happened to me but again I don’t know if that means anything.

Ultimately I have no idea what path is right or what to follow, it’s just what resonates I guess. For a while Leo’s teachings resonated and they hit but now it’s advaita. I don’t know what’s true in experience there’s a order to everything and things happen mystically. However I cant say that any of that means more than anything else or that enlightenment or realization is more important than taking a shit. it seems like effort and laziness achieve the exact same which is not getting you farther or closer to what already is, but hey if you feel like meditation will get you there it’s not wrong, neo advaita could be bullshit so could Buddhism or any other religion how can one know ultimately

Neo advaita takes the wind out of my sails. and yet something resonates with that message more than any other message I’ve heard.

How can someone know if neo advaita is bs? To me it seems just as valid as any other spiritual school of thought. a sticking point for me is I just don’t feel like there is someone in a body on a journey that could do things to get me anywhere better, it’s all just this right? How could it not be will this change if meditation or psychedelics happen? And isn’t it me making up all the meaning?

Quite the mindfuck eh, it’s all the story of the human race which could be acknowledged to be real or could be completely ignored. It’s the question if the news happens but there’s no one conscious of it did it really happen at all?

Mostly just consistency of practices and the belief in such practices as means to get to somewhere better than what is already here and happening. I long for god realization via kriya yoga or meditation chastity etc but also have a hard time believing that it will all get me somewhere to fulfillment or “being done”. I resonate very much with the neo- advaita message which says that there is nowhere to get and no one doing actions, because of this I sometimes have no motivation and feel like there could be a reality where I do all of that work and get no closer to god. I want to run an experiment and see if something like doing practices and chastity can bring me closer to an awakening but can’t help feeling like it’s a game. Hope this helps!

I loled at “McConnell is a Democrat plant”

You gotta try something new man, I’ve failed at many jobs and the ones I’ve succeeded at have been unfortunately ones which are not available in my city or are far away, I have server bi polar too which sometimes makes it hard to focus, but yeah man there is something for you, maybe don’t do a job that is so time dependent where you can focus on your work or craft, personally I’ve switched from tennis coach to learning about music and starting my own business. User @Consept has a nice series on starting an amazon fba business which I finished and am finally about to start, I find it hard to be time pressured and micromanaged too trust me some things are out of your hands, just keep working man

I know it has nothing to do with Biden, but it seems as though that election cycle did shift the Overton window slightly left, more politicians feel like they can speak their mind and really feel the people behind them, having said that a lot of what Biden promised progressives hasn’t been done and obviously Biden didn’t promise this but I could see a few states doing this, it seems that’s how things get to federal level in the U.S. usually it starts with the more progressive states leading the charge.

Don’t listen to the haters. enlightenment can look any way imaginable we just get sold the yogi and mystic ways because it’s romantic. You’re crying tears of joy they say there is no Kensho if you can’t cry tears of joy.

I certainly like the idea of winning an election and actually having it mean something, I get that the filibuster is meant to stop the tyranny of the majority but these days it’s not even tyranny because it’s like 60-70% popular approval of bill likes voting rights universal background checks and other things. If Republicans got into power it would suck having them being able to pass their agenda but I’d take it because they won’t the election. I like elections having consequences either good or bad depending on your beliefs and I like change happening. Ultimately the filibuster may be outdated for the current political climate just as I think the electoral college is, conservatives have many sneaky ways of holding on to power and this is one of them

I can’t help feeling like this is the truth but still feel like a person with imaginary concepts and constructions. It’s not useful for anyone and it’s truth but apparently life goes on, I like this message but I disagree when these speakers say that you can’t get anywhere obviously you cant its just what’s appearing. but also obviously in this appearance I’m no longer a baby and so growth and experience and change happen, now the meaning and personhood assigned to it may be illusions but this could appear to be enlightenment or pain or anything but for nobody. bottomline is seeking is appearing to happen and personhood is too, it’s not wrong or right that’s why the message “don’t seek” doesn’t resonate.

I think a healthy solution to this problem would be more social gatherings that are well put together and marketed well. Yes we have bars yes we have parties but those are too private maybe like a government contracted venue or even community sponsored events where people can come out of their shell. Something where it’s easy for shy people to connect I agree that you can’t see women as a commodity like money and so regulating the marketplace is tough. Personally the more social you are the higher your chances of getting a girlfriend or something casual happen. their advice to cold approach may be true but it won’t work for everyone. Sometimes it helps to be “set up” even though in a lot of countries it is done against someone’s free will which isn’t right IMO. Maybe bars are too outdated maybe we need a variety of safe social functions after the virus is gone. Personally online dating has been a boon for me and I don’t think I’m even that attractive. But truly it’s definitely a numbers game in the socializing and dating field you are likely going to have to talk to a lot of women to get dates or sex. This is fine in my opinion yea it sucks that we have to do the approaching as guys but it can be fun sometimes, and also we mustn’t forget about the needs of women, mostly they don’t want just sex and so they will be naturally selective. They want to make sure that you are going to be there in the morning so to speak. we want an animalistic conquest, personally I agree with Leo, most men just need to get the sex fucked out of them and then around 30 they are ready to commit this is obviously a generalization but it seems true for me. so it is valid advice to get laid enough until you don’t need to anymore but most people would be happier with a girlfriend and maybe the long term commitment can come once they have released enough sexual energy. just my two cents

Bipolar mania is inherently spiritual from my experience. And I’ve experienced both loving and creepy hallucinations. But it’s all hallucination ultimately.

I freestyle rap as a hobby too and it can’t be overstated how genius this guy is. It probably took him years to get to level of cadence and rhyme skill every thing is relevant and there is very little filler. mad respect

@Salvijus I gotta a feeling it’s been repeated before but couldn’t you say emptiness is more the pure form of truth and all experience and sensations form etc are truth but “less pure” because it’s not void, I think Leo is trying to say that they are both equal and maybe they are in non duality but to a spiritual seeker I can see why teacher have referred to experience as untrue because it’s not void but really it is if you go deep enough I really resonate with what Leo is saying, Sadhguru and other gurus dismiss psychs but I think you gotta trust what they are showing you because if you don’t that’s the definition of insane trying to deny your experience. it’s hard to say x or y that mean something but the patterns and similarities of experience are too strong between users. you can’t say trust your “sober” experience and deny yourself the truth of what you’re conscious of in an altered state. however you can certainly have dreams just like psych trips that leave you more confused or trips or dreams which teach you a lesson or send you a message, they are very similar states of consciousness to me and I just don’t think you can deny someone’s dreams or psych trips as irrelevant when the very reality we base our life’s around is illusory itself.

free will vs determinism is an endless debate after listening to some of sadhgurus book on Karma is obvious to me that every "choice" we make is just part of a larger program, string, or samskara. I notice this with my life, the past three years have gone down very similar patterns. I do feel as though collective issues and strings samskaras do a good job of explaining individual problems, but also resonate with the message that you can always "take responsibility" and make your own choices to change the outcomes for yourself individually even if it is an illusion