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@Someone here true dude, it’s one of the reasons I don’t go close to suicide, but I think any sane person has thought about it at least once in their life, it’s just so violent that I don’t think anything pleasant can come of it, duality is so annoying, I don’t necessarily think you need to experience deep suffering to know great pleasure, god certainly does, but these egos, idk

Well fair enough, I still enjoy life and consciousness and seeing through the illusion, I don’t want for nothing really. I like listening to neo advaita teachings but I do feel in my gut when I listen to them that they are missing something, it just doesn’t feel right. (Could be my bias) And I’m honest enough to say I can’t be bothered to do thousands of hours of meditation or 200 trips of psychedlics. I don’t have the patience for the former or the balls/stable mental health for the latter, so maybe that’s why I like hearing those empty teachings. I will go my own way and suffer if I have to. That’s just life anyway and I apparently designed it that way, sucks that consciousness and awakening comes at such a price I’d easily trade my life for it if I could just press a button but putting in all that effort, much harder.

I’ll take toxic green over toxic red any day of the week and twice on sundays hahaha

Maybe I’m confused but I can’t fathom how there is a prescription in reality when every single mystic including leo, sadh, Osho, says it’s purposeless and meaningless. If it’s purposeless and meaningless then the reality is there are no shoulds, oughts, and needs to anything. you can’t say it’s meaningless and purposeless and then say well you need to realize god or do a practice. this seems quite obvious to me but I could be wrong

That I don’t exist in any type of concrete location aka nowhere and neither does anyone else and I’m dreaming this all up and all these posts on the forum are from dream characters trying to make this all feel real. Far out, yet I’m participating so obviously I’m still asleep. Sorry to post this comment on the forum for the 50 trillionth time but it needs to be harped for my own rememberance.

What wrong with communism is that you have a selfless ideal with selfish people. Doesn’t mean it can’t be done, just like leo said, just because science “works” doesn’t mean it’s right or true. Capitalism “works” for a lot of people, doesn’t mean there is any truth to it. Communism has failed because the ideal is something we as stupid human chimps aren’t ready for. I mean people are still betting their life savings on football games, that’s how dumb we are

love it, i dont think the debt is legitimate in the first place, sure room and board at college, meals (that should ideally be free for public college too like high school) could cost something but thousands of dollars of tution for an 18 year old, that is very problematic for society.

ownership, how could you own a piece of reality, social contract

if the country was run by healthy conservatives would it be one you would want to live in? certainly not here, i can respect her for standing up to trump but i doubt i will be voting for her brand of politics anytime soon. and youre right leo, i dont expect every politician to be a progressive, but i expect there to be some consciousness in my politicians, and if im casting a vote im hoping itll be someone who has good policy, i dont see that in cheney, and frankly most if not all of the republican party. this is stating the obvious but im not sure i can respect that party at all, i barely respect the dems these days.

dont know, dont care, have always thought the unemployment rate was bad metric of judging the health of a nation.

@Danioover9000 I kind of butchered oshos explanation but basically the gist of it was that actors and players on a stage are for show and seek validation they have something to prove, and spectators cant do it themselves so instead they watch. And then the third category doesn’t seek validation and does what is needed and doesn’t become tied up in the show and lives life fully and intensely, reacting to life is not a fulfilling life imo, but yet here we are and I’m guilty of it sometimes too, maybe more than not since sports was a big part of my life growing up.

Much higher

its definitely not what you probably want to read on the politics sub-forum, but I got to say it, this is a crazy dream I'm dreaming.

People like Osho have had the same treatment and even little bits of it follow Sadhguru but what they teach is gold

If the majority keeps getting ruled by the minority the same stuff will happen, better democracy actually functions, I’d rather the majority get their way and have to deal the minorities dissent than the other way around. We shouldn’t abolish the senate but I wouldn’t mind making it more democratic

@Bobby_2021 for now I guess the best we can do is not get a republican it’s bs that when we want someone who will actually do something for america it’s called moronic but it is what it is, I don’t care what leo says Bernie would have gotten a lot more done for progressive policies than Biden, but also I’m not an idiot, I realize that the vast majority of people don’t value those policies, in the other thread I was just saying Bernie actually had an energized movement and Biden just had a bunch of casuals problem was always that Bernie’s movement wasn’t nearly as big as every centrist and conservative democrat in the United States but, I would bet my life he would’ve beaten trump in the general, but all it is is a what if. What we can hope for is a president with at least more a backbone than Biden, I’ll take him for now over trump but it’s just more of the same dribble, no minimum wage increase, no build back better, sure he stopped pipelines and did some stuff for the environment and admittedly I think monitories and lgbt people feel more comfortable but that’s not some huge accomplishment. The bar is extremely low if just stopping trump again is the best we can do but of course it’s my number #1 priority given this new republican platform. I find it good to go through periods of not giving a shit about politics too, it really doesn’t change much, always the same arguments and the same talking points, one side is more conscious than the other but when you push that side to do something great there’s a multitude of excuses. I’m optimistic but very jaded at the moment

Osho talks about this in his passage on Ashtavakra gita he says there are three types of people in the world: those who he part of “the congregation” (performers - creators - actors- dancers etc) and they are most far gone because they need validation from others to give a sense of self worth, they are lost in the game. then there are the “spectators” who simply watch and do not actually DO, watching tv, shows, movies, sports, plays, YouTube, and they not as bad as the first category but still lost in inaction (I think most of us on the forum would fall into this category, including these reactionaries) they cheer on the congregation because it is exciting and it takes them away from reality and life, it’s an escape. and then there are the “observers” those who do not become part of or cheer on the congregation they simply are and do as they are, they don’t need an escape and can realize their being and not identify with the body or some outside excitement or please someone or something, it’s really quite fascinating I recommend reading his English passages on the Ashtavakra gita

I see younger zoomers dating all around me and my city, yes it’s a pretty progressive place, and it’s anecdotal evidence, but also like leo says, women want to be approached I don’t buy all this exaggerated every woman is a radical feminist shit

Why shouldn’t we censor all music or art? Why start with music? Like it was said, call of duty has done more damage to the developing minds of kids then any rap could do, even though I would agree I wouldn’t want my kid listening to that if there is just no deep message, but really also who am I to judge, of course there needs to be standards but is not an explicit warning enough? I mean cigarettes got them, violent video games should have them too. Just let people know what they are getting into but give them the autonomy to make their own choices (and if people making their own choices becomes problematic and destructive like it is becoming with guns, then you can talk about laws and regulations/restrictions), and live with the consequences. Just my two cents

Just kinda makes voting sound mundane and boring, you’re Just like a goal keeper stopping the net from candidates like trump bush desantis etc, would be nice to vote for someone instead of against but maybe that’s just wishful thinking in todays america. thanks for your input @Leo Guraincremental change just puts a bad taste in my mouth cause I know we could be doing so much more, but I can live with taking 1 step forward and no steps back if I have to.

@Leo Gura alright I concede, after looking at the states won it wasn’t close, but don’t act like Bernie didn’t have momentum, real momentum, it wasn’t a lost cause doomed from the start as you are trying to paint. There was real enthusiasm behind a candidate like sanders, I don’t think politics is so simple as people are dumb so they vote x, yea maybe that’s most of it, but a lot of people can be persuaded. and if you’re right and I’m wrong, then what good is voting for any type of progressive change? I doubt I should be wasting my time advocating or following progressive policies or change if it’s just going to be out voted by the idiots. Wouldn’t it be wiser to just accept people aren’t ready for it, after all you say that a vote for the Green Party is throwing away your vote. Just curious

Biden beat Bernie by a lot of votes but within each states the vote was close, it literally could have made the difference if every candidate didn’t endorse Biden or warren dropped out before Super Tuesday, yes Bernie lost but for almost all of the race it Bernie was ahead and Literally it only flipped after South Carolina and the whole establishment candidates endorsing him. I think the picture you’re painting was incorrect, Bernie still has a lot of appeal and is the most popular politician in the country, he just couldn’t beat the political establishment machine, that’s not bad political analysis. Point: the people got what they wanted but it wasn’t such a through in through landslide, if it was a sports analogy it was more of a 4th quarter comeback

Demonizing valid spiritual teachings as neo advaita or some other buzzword because you don’t agree with what they imply

@Lewk source?

Lol most scientists say a plant based diet is perfectly healthy - IF DONE RIGHT. there plenty of ways to eat shit on a vegan diet and get fat and there’s plenty of ways to do that on an omnivore diet, I’ve said it before on this forum, a vegan diet isn’t the most convenient and easy but it’s pretty healthy when done right, but you have to actually put some effort into, and also there will never be a one size fits all diet for everyone, I went vegan for ethical reasons not to be an athlete but these days there are plenty of examples of successful vegan athletes, it just depends on the person and their will power and genetics etc. I doubt the world will ever been 100% vegan or 100% carnivore but wouldn’t you want to live in the world where you can choose your diet. And yea vegans can be insufferable but it is true that if you eat meat you’re more than likely supporting the slaughter of innocent animals and that’s a moral call for you to make, no one can force you to eat anyway, I eat meat but that’s just because I’m on a Keto diet and trying to lose weight, I plan on going 100% vegan but I wouldn’t push it on anyone, I would just give them the facts and let decide. That’s how society really changes, not by forcing your views on each other, even if truth is on your side.