Gidiot

I wonder what the percentages are for or against the ban for women in the US are, I’m guessing it’s over 80% against, political suicide

Not saying I’m perfect, but if you can’t respect your home what good is it to survive? the only reason to survive is for the love of life imo and how can you love life if it’s mad max and knowing that you are helping cause suffering and destruction in the world by your own ignorance. no we can’t force anyone to wise up but if we don’t force ourselves the universe will do it for us

Hey man, it’s no shade on you, but you are kind of all over the place, one day you’re a zen master, one day you’ve had an awakening to no self solipsism, then one day you want to be a bachelor and fuck 100 women, and now you want to be a strict follower of Islam, I honestly wish you the best of luck but truly man it seems as though you have no resolve, you speak of things like they are absolutes when the truth is you are going to change your mind tomorrow, and it’s not wrong to do this, consistency is good yes but only if you’re on the right path, I am just pointing this out to you out of compassion, I have kind of been on the same path, I had a lot of neo advaita energy and I still respect the message but I’ve done a great deal to integrate that into my life path and I exhausted that path it’s changed my life forever. Spiritual traditions, the leo teachings and many of the other sages/gurus/divine guidance I follow. it just doesn’t seem like you are integrating things properly and it seems like you are running around in circles jumping from one promised land to another. if you ask me, any religion that doesn’t value : contemplation/meditation/introspection and exploration of consciousness for yourself devoid of dogma is a piss poor one, as others have said, why don’t you create your own religion? Why be a follower? Yes take influence but where is the guru in Islam? At least in other traditions there is a guru that teaches from LIVED experience not some scripture. jesus is dead and can only help you metaphysically from my experience (Christian mystics are out their to learn from but they are rare) buddha is dead and can only help you from beyond the physical (although the has created many masters) same with Muhammad and Moses (good luck finding a Kabbalist or Sufi mystic these days) but be careful dedicating your life to everything without proper contemplation. If that’s all true to you in your experience than fine go down the rabbit hole, the Sufi mystics we’re quite awake at least in my opinion and Islam has done some wonderful things, but if you’re on this forum I think you know just how evil religion can also be on a practical human level.

Promote wise speech and discourage ignorant speech, like @Recursoinominado said, we should all come to a approximate consensus as to what speech is motivated by wisdom and love (normal/ polite/ appropriate ) and what speech is motivated by hate and ignorance, most dictionaries already do this informally it doesn’t necessarily have to be a law but there should be social consequences to mouthing off like Kanye west about the Jews or hating on someone’s mere identity. I think a wise person wouldn’t value their ability to say an obviously hateful thing to someone over their ability to restrain themselves from it. And really in an ideal world you should fear being a hateful individual instead of not being able to spew your hatred with no consequences because it’s protected under the law. and yes it’s tricky, but if you can just say whatever you want in any cicrcumstances with no repercussions or consequences, then you are very reckless and society wouldn’t function harmoniously, curtailing hate speech isn’t about having power over people, although it may seem that, it’s an act of human compassion to protect vulnerable people from the worst faith actors of our kind. Some social taboos are good. ideally you wouldn’t need a law and people would by default not resort to ad hominem and threating and hateful speech. but time and time again there is too much ignorance in the world and people might need an incentive to treat people with basic compassion in the world how sad it is. it’s always a balancing act between what’s good for the individual and what’s good for society.

This one is also a classic pertaining to your thought :

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I believe the best take I’ve heard on this type of discussion is from Osho on his talks communism and zen fire which you can listen to on Osho world for free. He basically agrees and says that biggest sin of Soviet style communism was the dissolution of spirituality, he agrees that getting rid of organized religion was a great thing, but not having any inner awareness and regard of the soul/god/universal energy was a big mistake and he criticizes gorbachev for cozying back up to the west. given that the talks were happening in the 80s when the Soviet Union was still in full swing, it’s a good piece of recorded history. Osho himself wasn’t a communist but believed in the concept and even said as much as it’s the natural progression of humanity to this type of system. it’s also pretty ironic from the talks that Marx often thought that the USA would be the first communist country in the world and one could argue that the U.S. has been its greatest enemy

The two Aaron Abke videos on UFOs and ETs are quite illuminating. He tries to make sense of why they aren’t landing on the White House lawn and what their technology and ships actually are and do. a lot of is obviously law of one stuff but I think it makes a whole lot of since and I must say I did see a ufo in the sky and behaved exactly like most videos of them, blinking in and out of human naked eye perception and also making law of physics defying movements. Also being illuminated by white light. Sorry if this is off topic but I think it’s relevant to the news even though the video is two years old.

the need to create massive value is very materialistic, as if you could measure it objectively and quantify for each individual, a critique of Marxism is that they assume every human creates the same value, which is untrue, but what is true is what is valuable to society may not be valuable to each individual, another word for value is love, and what i love and the love i create should be unique to me, and i just dont jive with this attitude of create it or else, life is spontaneous and like others in this thread have said, society isnt built to facilitate massive value creation and the world doesnt need more jeff bezos or bill gates, the world needs authentic individuals who honor their authentic likes talents and abilities, who gives a shit if someone is a barista or playing video games all day, they aint hurting anyone, they dont need to be on some great mission, and really how could you tell, that barista could be more awake than you. I truly think the more wise you get the less "massive value" you feel compelled to make and it either comes naturally or you "go with the flow" who will the followers be if we all become leaders? who will help you with your dreams if each person has their own? I mean just think about it, It sounds sexy if we were all just highly creative individuals, answered to no one, were completely self sufficient and mastered survival, but that ideal sounds more utopian than anything marx ever wrote. society is a balance and a give and take, work isnt effective if you are forced, coerced, desperate, or have no other options but to do it, there needs to be some higher purpose than survival in an ideal society. im not against creating massive value, but just very skeptical that it can be quantified in an objective way and then to judge and value people on their ability to meet that goal seems very childish to me, sure you can say im just trying to justify my incompetence, but clearly Im not in love with society and the way it "works" and honestly there needs to be Vanaprastha, any healthy society allows people to go their own way, i could just as easily say society is using politics to justify its selfishness and greediness and wage slavery society doesnt owe me anything, but in turn neither do I owe it anything.

Survival is literally the easiest thing in the world, you can eat two bites of an apple every day and survive an awful long time. It’s just that I think at the heart of socialism is the innate human need to THRIVE. Under most capitalistic societies we are only just surviving and we are scared and worried of being homeless because we know no one is going to give a shit about us if we are on the street. If survival needs are met for everyone, of course there will be lazy people who coast by on society but there will be far more people who are now empowered to be the best human they want to be. At least this is my understanding of it. people act like money is the only reason to work. I work on plenty of crap in my life and literally none of it is because of money, I think that is a flaw in people’s thinking. You don’t do what you love because it pays well you do what you love because it’s what you love. Socialism at its best would empower that. of course there are plenty of jobs no one will want to do if there isn’t a survival need to do them, but I think of that as a minor problem, I think the bigger problem is meeting everyone’s survival needs first. And you’d be simply lying if you said the resources don’t exist to do exactly that in most countries around the world. It’s more of a human development problem than anything, we don’t need socialism or communism we just need people who give a shit and want to do more with their day than just go to work and come home on autopilot

Alan watts has a good quote, why is it so important the human species keep on surviving? We certainly don’t have to. gay people are only a threat to people who aren’t open minded. There’s also the loophole of bisexual, of course you can have plenty of homosexual sex and still propagate the species, so lgbt isn’t a legitimate threat I mean it ain’t some strangers job to make you feel secure about the survival of the human race, you can’t mandate someone’s survival. Or the survival of the human race, if you must go on then life becomes hell, it’s no longer fun anymore, a problem with traditional and conservative world views. even back in the early 2000s when homophobia was a lot more prevalent I never gave a care about the fear. there are some people I really love and care deeply about that are very backwards on this issue.

There’s no need to actualize, honestly it’s just a preference and it seems there’s really nothing special about a preference, someone who likes vanilla is not better than someone who likes chocolate. So much self righteousness from people on this forum. If you enjoy having money, societies version of success, women, fun, more understanding then go for it. But it’s not like it ultimately matters in anyway. And if it matters to you, the reality of the situation is one day it might not. So basically it all boils down to a current preference, I say all preferences are natural anyway so don’t worry and you’re right who cares

Yea, it’s a pretty profound realization, that all purpose is meaningless and reality ultimately has no requirements or direction in which you must traverse. It’s all absolutely and unequivocally an ego game of : action> justification of that action> rationalization> fitting the rationalization into a story> letting the stories form the character, and it is very beautiful but you’ll excuse me if I have no interest in playing it, I suppose it’s going to keep on keeping on whether I want it to or not. If I had my wish I’d will it to be as I want but to my experience that’s not how this game works. So here “I” am and I’m along for the ride, I’m going to tough it out because I can’t literally imagine the alternative bahaha

@axiom it’s moot to argue which extreme is worse imo, they obviously aren’t the same, you need to wings to fly and all that but to say that all older people should be right wing is insane, what if I don’t care about the family unit, fiscal money saving, having a strong economy, national pride, stage blue values and I value in my life more compassion, cohesiveness, selflessness, joy and doing things on purpose rather than just doing things for the sake of it, most conservative traditional positions don’t appeal to me, not to say I can’t change, but what is so dumb about favoring left wing agendas? It’s such a big mistake to think that the younger generation wants to put people in a gulag it’s not even worth addressing. They want the socialism of Scandinavia not soviet Russia and communist China

Razard86 you a genius. Gidiot95 approves. But please don’t gaslight me or go ape shit on my ass! I like your little mindfucky posts

If a monks life is so easy I don’t see hoards of people doing it. the “worldly” people have always existed, in a sense it’s easier to live with no responsibilities, but also it’s harder having no distractions and egoic things to obtain, because the mind has nothing to cling to, it’s like torture for the modern man who is so overstimulated, I know you already know this, but a monks life is probably the hardest life you can live, because you choose it, if you’re enslaved at least you can somebody else made you, but when you willingly give up worldy possessions attachments and other things there are no excuses and you can’t escape the amount of humility it takes to beg for your food every day and let go and trust the universe and others to take care of you is more brave than someone shrouding themselves in creature comforts, security and safety. like fast food a nice house, a sexy wife to bang and more money than they actually need along with endless entertainment podcasts tv shows and games to play, it’s almost like you don’t even have to challenge yourself, because ultimately you need other things to be happy, the bravest and wisest man is that who gives up trying and is fearless enough to let the wind blow their sails. Just my opinion, I’m probably just reacting this way because I have a stage orange shadow but I truly don’t think either path is necessarily easier than the other, but I’d say once you’ve been indoctrinated into societies bullshit, if you can then drop it all and become less worldly, that is a feat of strength in itself

Reality is bittersweet, it can’t change fast enough for the liberals and it can’t stay the same enough for the conservatives

Yea that was a great speech

Survival doesn’t have to be hard and brutal, I feel like that gets tossed around as a concept which is kind of like a cop out to justify all your egoic notions or why you need to do certain actions like choose a mate or make money, but really in 2022 in america or most first world nations, there is nothing saying survival and dating has to be hard, I agree OP that it’s not the brutality of survival why people are poor it’s the hoarding greed/ pursuit of happiness greatness good live which causes people to overlook to the suffering of their fellow man, you can’t just shrug your shoulders and say that’s nature because there is literally no evidence for your claim. Humans could cure poverty and hunger tomorrow, we have the resources it’s a proven fact, and people could lighten up and see each other for their being and attitude and amount of compassion/love instead of perceived attractiveness based on “biological survival instincts” and material wealth. it just requires a change in mindset, I’m not saying that any girl or any guy is owed to someone else… people should have absolute freedom and autonomy to choose their significant other or date or friend or whatever, but it isn’t a brutal hard and cold reality which can only be done effectively if you master attraction, that’s of course one way of doing it, but don’t act like it’s the only way even if it’s the most optimal for the current time period of how society is structured. And it’s kind of gaslighting to say “ well make yourself attractive” as if it’s something nature and life is explicitly saying, “attractive” qualities is to relative to pin down even if there is overlap between people. There is more than one way to skin a cat and I guess I blame humanity for their brutal methods and rationalization of shallow attitudes just as much as I blame myself for not caring about this stuff. I guess my final point is there is no way to guarantee a guy will get a fufilling life by conforming to “brutal survival/dating game”. If you think my argument is bullshit than what do we do about all the perceived “ugly people” there is no fool proof solution to intimacy/love/truth in relationships and humanity could be making the process a whole lot easier, just like nature, some things are very harmonious when observed and other very brutal, humanity has the capacity to make dating into a very harmonious, playful and cruelty/suffer free experience. and people come with all different capacities and abilities to actualize “attractiveness” its equally his fault for not conforming as it is the system for not accommodating if you think about it, it’s more complex than just an individual issue.

its so great not needing another human to feel worthy of life dont expect to change women or men let them be as ignorant as possible and naturally learn from their mistakes or not. I personally find it terrible when someone puts expectations on you before they even know you. i actually think i could date an unattractive person and go against my biology quite easily but im much different than the average person, i couldnt care less about family children, te expectation of providing for someone( if i provided for someone which is a natural byproduct of love, it would be spontaneous and in my own way, not out of some silly expectation. ) or what material things they could provide for me. i care about the intimacy and love, there is truth to making yourself an "attractive man" of course, but theres also much truth to not giving a shit and not playing the dating game and allowing for the universe to surprise you. OP just compromise with women or be brave enough to not settle for anything less than someone who can put all those expectations aside, this is the path im on.

im more of a lurker, rarely say anything unless it excites me

@Razard86 mostly the monotony the struggle, the void, the seeking energy as they call in in neo advaita, or karma or whatever, I dislike being limited and resist “my little egoic experience” there’s certainly a beauty to this life but the duality is annoying as all heck. I truly don’t think I need to do anything to get to anywhere and yet it’s almost like I’m being unconsciously dragged along. I’m not good at the game, and don’t see the point in mastering it, because I’m still a human with limitations and I wish there was an option to play a different one

People would stop caring about the economy if their survival needs were met. And that’s all I have to say really, the vast majority only care about this crap because it effects their survival $2 more dollars here and there for gas. Like it’s such a huge issue, I say undermine the whole worry about the economy. And I don’t know the reality, but human greed is a huge problem so I’m going to probably blame that.

Well said razard. I’m starting to get fed up with my creation though.

I feel the same way Kael, but I just have to assume it what is it and it’s out of my understanding in this limited form, I don’t know shit and no practice is going to help me from my experience. Psychedelics could but I have medical reasons preventing me from taking them.