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@Apparition of Jack yea I like the idea of vaccinating everyone if it works, but I just can’t let it be compulsory, maybe mandated but not compulsory. even if no side effects I like to keep the body pure and I take extreme measures to make sure I don’t get virus, not everyone has a life out of public like me but still it sets a bad precedent that the government could mandate any vaccine

@WaterDroplet--00 no problem, I have some friends in Melbourne and I think scomo is trusted more than a Donald trump in his home country, I want things to get better but I’ve just never liked the idea of forcing people to take vaccines or any drugs for that matter. i could change my mind if it’s a effective but I still don’t like the precedent

I don’t think forcing people to get a vaccine is helpful, but I think incentivizing them is the way to go, sure you save lives which is most important but I don’t think in this specific case I can defend a vaccine that has no long term clinical trials. maybe if it was proven to be harmless, I think people should have the right to choose but I don’t think a mask mandate is the same thing as a vaccine. Having the vaccine be free would be great, having tax incentives or small rewards for getting the vaccine is great. being culturally libertarian has its pros and cons, obviously we are seeing America and the western world have suffered a lot more than eastern Asian countries which are more stage blue, but also when it’s not a pandemic which society would you want to live in. in not anti vaxx at all but I don’t see the issue as anti vaccine or compulsory vaccine.

Point taken, I’ve never been a big fan of morality, so in a paradoxical sense the most developed worldview is no morality sense morality is about exclusion rather than inclusion. i think problem is that many people (myself) included make the mistake that selflessness is a moral value instead of just leaving behind the values and just being selfless i still feel like god has an agenda though.

I don’t really know australian politics that well but from what I’ve seen from Scott Morrison, it seems like he’s stage blue/orange and he really really cares about making sure he has a good legacy but also seems like a neolib. Australia kind of has a hive mind which America doesn’t so maybe it’s more logical for people to get the vaccine, it doesn’t seem like anyone cares about compulsory voting there either and I know forced vaccination is a big issue it seems something of a trend. I see on the polls that 9 news does that most people want everything shut down if covid keeps happening so it doesn’t seem like the Australian population has a problem with it. Although I know it would be a problem in Canada and in America, personally I wouldn’t want that law and I haven’t been vaccinated for a while, but I can understand people who do want to be. my reasoning is if I am already wearing a mask in public places and following all the norms why get the vaccine? It would be for my well being but it’s a good point that the trials are not long term

@Leo Gura yep, they would need to win the popular vote but lose the electoral college which ain’t going to happen. Might have to be years before that happens and @Opo hell no democrats can’t make that happen in their current state.

@Leo Gura but isn’t there a reason why the most developed beings have the most love for all? Maybe you don’t even have the call it morality but it doesn’t seem like coincidence or survival at stage turquoise. This seems like an almost intrinsic motor in humans and most beings. Maybe I’m wrong but I just feel like there is a reason why the most developed people are the most selfless. I guess my point is isn’t gods being itself a kind of morality? Like the selflessness

@zeroISinfinity you don’t like my answer hey that’s fine. Have a good day man

@Opo yes but do they know that? In said hypothetical they may be afraid of death, and so I’d sacrifice, not everybody mind you, but some, as for as I’m concerned I don’t give a shit, as far as I’m concerned I never lived

Seems like Finland will get to stage yellow first, I made a prediction that the us would but I’d happily be wrong. although they are very homogenous so I don’t know if I can truly count it even though it’s technically green/yellow. They certainly offer a good example. andrew Yang would be a great cabinet position, he is a strong proponent of measuring a countries success by happiness instead of gdp, and this goes as well in school, don’t measure solely by gpa, it’s important but what’s more important is a Holistic view And happiness should come first.

I don’t mind dying, sense Death is concept, gun to my head probably a different answer but maybe not? I’d cut my fingers off to save someone else but not myself.

@louhad electoral college needs to go. What’s the point of voting as states if we are in a union. I mean I get there is arguments on Both sides but how the fuck can you defend the minority of votes winning an election.

also crimes happen, but the typical conservative response I see is to shit on criminals and punish them More intensely “law and order” while the progressive response is to find out the cause of such riots and crime and problems, yes there are sjws and antifa and some toxic aspects but is it ruining the country anywhere close to trump and his administration... hell no.

I love how the word radical gets tossed around like it’s a bad thing. Some things need radical action, example climate, criminal justice reform, housing, etc etc etc. you say sit and finger point about how badly these people are but at least they are doing something with their lives whether you agree with it or not. i understand that there are conservatives on this forum but I wish to understand the cognitive dissonance in your mind with agreeing with actualized.org and Leo’s purpose and then still trying to finger point and play us vs them mentality and being aware of spiral dynamics but still blaming the excess of green like it’s a terrible thing although you know it’s just a reaction to toxic blue orange and a red president, can you imagine a world in which there were no riots after George Floyd or just everyone agreed with trump or any president for that matter democrat or republican, it’s not going to happen dude.

One of their higher ups said he wouldn’t put a touch screen on laptops because they are “fatiguing” lol id get a mac if they had touch screens

Also utilitarianism in the way you presented it sounds great. Because every rule needs exceptions, and there plenty of examples for this but every good rule needs to be upheld as well. Morality is certainly a tricky thing and certainly I think the best morality is unconscious yet conscious at the same time, explicit and implicitly, relatively, right.

I like the concepts. However I feel like there is an intrinsic reason why morality was developed, there is the survival aspect to it but also there is an unconscious bias inside of all beings to maximize love it seems, we may not all agree on what maximizing love is, but through my life experience I feel like “god” has an agenda and it certainly influencesyou from the inside. Morality is based on far more than physical survival mechanics. It can also be based on abstract ideas such as art and ideology and ego. I guess in a sense you could say morality comes out of the physical or psychological need to survive and the ego. But I think there is an intuitive conscious side to it. there is a reason why spiral dynamics seems so accurate and most civilizations follow the same trends. I think “god may have an agenda and is playing it out through us. We have our own little agendas as part of god but ultimately we are maximizing its love not ours. hope that helped

@louhad you’re 100% right. No one just goes into the street and says let’s burn shit down to see society collapse... well maybe they do but it’s so small, and those types of people certainly don’t give a fuck about Bernie or AOCs opinion if they are true anarchist.

I believe leo has stated most of the country is solid orange with blue and green mixed in, there are an extremely low amount of yellow and turquoise people, but certainly the trend is going to towards green. I’d say we’d be lucky to get to solid green in my lifetime(I’m 25). there is a certain wisdom to purple that gets overlooked until green but there are also many problems with purple. I think alternative medicine is growing although I don’t have any facts, maybe a stupid think I observe is way more people have salt lamps which are somewhat alternative medicine because of the vibrations the crystals give out. meditation is also exploding and hopefully it gets added to schools in the western world soon, I would love a mindfulness class in all universities and school. That is the baby steps, will check out the article thanks.

@Bodigger the radical left is so small in the us you shouldn’t even worry about it dawg

@Apparition of Jack trump likely to stupid to be a fascist but those below him aren’t Steve bannon types. trump can’t get another term man I agree

@Opo wouldn’t say he’s progressive on climate change, but he will make concessions in that area or he will never hear the end of it. I have an optimistic feeling that Medicare for all will happen under Biden too. Maybe I’m crazy but he seems like he is already making concessions. Hoping it’s not bullshit though, told the truth about a black woman veep

@Leo Gura I believe there is a silent revolution, and mostly I believe that consciousness is evolving, sure America could fuck up and progressives could lose, but it seems like they have more power and more of a voice these days. Although I’m only 25, I think the green mentality of victim hood is much greater than the red blue orange mentality of oppression and ego power dynamics but it certainly doesn’t help. He need more voices like beau if the fifth column and less like krystal and Kyle, not to say they aren’t politically savvy, they are, but progressives just simply aren’t big enough of a population yet. We just need to win more and certainly down ballot they are doing much better, I think people like AOC types and I think she is really well regarded, that’s kind of what I see as a healthy green politician, people like Vaush, myself, Kyle and krystal are quite young too so maybe it’s the lack of experience we have. We aren’t too cynical. that’s probably the best part of green politically, they can be motivated by fear but usually they are proactively motivated by a improving things rather than destroying or keeping power. politics has been crazy the past four years and really hope after trump is gone that the Overton window is taken to a more compassionate conversation.

@GenuinePerspectiveXC lol you’re the IQ guy.

@Opo well said, also the environment is a huge red flag, hopefully there will be a public option and big environmental policy he concedes. I am happy about most of the cabinet picks I have heard but not a fan of his “handlers” neoliberalism won’t work I’m afraid at least this time it’ll be checked cause I feel like the left didn’t really have a voice with a Obama.