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@Consept it’s definitely a lack of trust I would assert that the countries doing the best either were Forced to lockdown or that people willingly obeyed there governments. I can’t blame the us as much I blame trump just because of the messaging that was terrible and the inconsistency of a bipartisan message.

I’m going to predict the turnout and say about 70% of eligible voters will vote. I could be wrong though

Tony Robbins is a valuable teacher but it seems he never really got to tier 2

@Lyubov if Lindsey graham loses to Jaime I will jizz in my pants. He’s like the worst hypocrite in Washington and that’s saying something when they impeached Bill Clinton he said that the office of the president is a respectful one and you cannot disrespect it and that’s why he was voting to impeach Bill, which I agree Bill should have got removed, but then when Trump says grab her by the pussy and pays pornstars off and commits treason with Ukraine crickets

@Preety_India I don’t know if we need to remove currency but we need to change the theory of value from which it’s based upon. It’s backed by bonds and basically government reserves, we need a currency that’s based upon something far less decentralized say like societal credits or something, you get currency for performing good deeds and raising consciousness, sounds very hippyish and maybe too utopian and it would probably have to be managed by a government. But currency is mostly earned by employment and investing and I’d like to expand currency outside of those two avenues. You can get paid for recycling, making art, creating healthy friendships relationships, eating healthy, being a good parent, etc it’s a new idea but I think it could work. I don’t think currency is going away but it needs to be rethought bottom line the idea is people need to be rewarded for helping society in ALL ways instead of just employment

Anyone arguing this obviously doesn’t have immigrant friends. Biden is a Neo lib but it’ll be almost impossible for him to ignore progressives if we control the three branches which would be very likely after these elections. if you have four years of trump he might make it illegal to be a democrat. Or teach leftist views in any type of school. As a someone who likes progressive ideas I want rapid change too! But sometimes you have to realize where you need to be strategic. We need Biden and then when he steps down we will have a better chance, just because Biden wins he’s not going to get a pass this time. obama sadly got a pass mostly because I think people were just happy at the symbolism of a black man in the White House . but from my circles people are just as ready fight Bidens ass and make sure that he delivers on climate policy and isn’t as corrupt as trump. yes I hate that he’s in the pocket of Wall Street, but the Green Party ain’t going to win shit

@Forestluv I’m of the opinion that a healthy green person that has a lot of healthy blue in him like beau of the fifth column is really appealing. I don’t buy into the theory that only blue could send effective and persuasive messaging to red. Yellow could do even better than green as well, that was the topic in another thread, I think a lot of it in politics is beyond spiral dynamics too, a lot of is a persons appearance and their tone and age, as sad is that sounds, sometimes you need a female to talk to a female or a military person to talk to a solider etc to persuade them regardless of the level of development, just an insight I had. a lot of politics maybe all of it is actually identity politics, more than people would like to admit. Haha

technically trump hasn’t refused yet he just said he wouldn’t commit which is honestly just as terrifying, but even if wins he’ll have to pretend to be a president he can’t just turn into hitler overnight, I think he will cause damage but I don’t think it’ll be nazis in the streets killing people, I could be wrong but I just think if it got that bad he’d just get assassinated.

If history is any indication I think trump will try to delegitimization the media even more and try to push his agenda of defunding universities and try to put forth American exceptionalism and try to scapegoat democrats and call them corrupt and fraudulent. certainly a reality I don’t want to think about.

@datamonster Eminem mostly was actually stage red and then become blue and orange once he had a kid and became a father figure for his daughter and made a bunch of money, I don’t even think he is really even stage green but maybe because I remember he hated on trump resoundingly and supported kaepernick. Maybe he will get there. He’s definitely one of the more clever rappers that have ever existed

True power in any government or group style is very decentralized. Notice how sadhguru and mooji and leo try to empower as much as they can to their followers/students. Being a great and conscious uncorrupted leader isnt about making no mistakes and not having ego it’s really about realizing that what you want for others is the same you want for yourself and trying to put your students and followers in your shoes and vice versa and seeing what the best outcome for both could be. It is tricky but definitely it’s a good insight to say that a developed leader is not necessarily in it for simply material desires, I think material desires can be a byproduct, but my insight is that true power comes from selflessness and that’s why lauded leaders and beloved people are also seen as the most selfless. you can’t really have true power if you aren’t helping others/ improving yourself/society etc

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/explainers/2018/7/20/17590694/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-holocaust-denial-recode unbelievable that there are not harsher regulations or some advent of a public social forum like the usps for social media haha. the actual quote. “I’m Jewish, and there’s a set of people who deny that the Holocaust happened. I find that deeply offensive. But at the end of the day, I don’t believe that our platform should take that down because I think there are things that different people get wrong.”

@Fran11 Well all I have to go on are your words, what examples of “green” in your country has overlooked blue and jumped straight there. Green isn’t an absolute good but you seem to be criticizing it as if the kids in your country should be embracing blue ideas over green, I just don’t buy that. Yes you progress through stages but you can also accelerate your development with the right teachings. No one says you need to be solidly blue to response to red and solidly orange to respond to blue etc etc, Although that is an effective way. You just have to embody each in an effective way that you can learn from. if the kids don’t understand spiral dynamics from their level of development that’s not their fault. It’s a bit of a hidden model that you gotta dig to find. That’s on us to promote it and then to seek it out my point is I’d rather have my kids sympathetic to a green person than a blue even if they don’t understand spiral dynamics. I consider myself to be mostly green/orange/yellow/ turquoise mix but I don’t have to be solidly turquoise to entertain thoughts of non duality and be interested in it. maybe some of those kids will move out of the country or be better suited to challenge blue with green wisdom, I never thought I was ever really a solidly blue person and yet I think I have progressed through it. Not every response to red has to come from blue. And certainly not every green or blue or red person/government looks the same. im interested in hearing about the shortcuts they are taking and how stage blue ideology better suits a response to red than green? Ultimately it’s hard to say, this stuff isn’t an exact science but in an undeveloped country green is still important, there are many people who follow this forum from undeveloped countries and it’s not going to be stage blue that saves them, it may build a foundation for the work but order won’t save you as much as education and compassion if anything your Anecdote is a sign of progress, how many of those kids would’ve been saying those ideas just 20-30 years ago.

@Leo Gura Agreed, before your content I always had this hunch, it think because at the liberal stages it stops being so much about power an authority, and there is a willingness and curiosity to explore different perspectives rather than your own.

@Lyubov I think they will count the ballots like their lives depended on it it’ll be done in less than a week. My guess.

@Fran11 that’s like saying liberals and and conservatives are the same because they both misunderstand each other

@Fran11 taking about your first statement obviously “In my experience Green is prone to denying healthy asspects of Blue and Orange.” healthy aspects of blue to me are early democracy and the legal system. and of orange the strengthening of democracy, the science based approach to medicine, technology and infrastructure as well as innovation and some forms of competition like sports and competing for the best candidate for a job its rare that a stage green person would deny this

@No Self that’s why some say democracy and pure capitalism are at odds with each other. It’s not a “free market” when there are many special interests and big players are only accountable to their shareholders

@No Self well I agree if you wanted to sell out to make the most $$ don’t have a spine but zuckerberg used to care about things now he’s very hollow

Zuckerberg has defended the right of people to deny the Holocaust on facebook in a podcast interview. Look it up. “I find people who deny the Holocaust offensive but I wouldn’t ban them.”

Healthy green integrates the healthier stages of blue and orange and red and purple, otherwise it isn’t true healthy green. I still have to integrate healthy aspects of orange and red where as blue was easier for me. Green can ignore healthy aspects of blue but that isn’t healthy green. also after making that point it would be nice to provide an example there is also healthy blue and unhealthy blue. Order isn’t always healthy just like some hierarchies are more conscious than others.

Fdr was a great man but the internment camps happened under him to. Every vote is a harm reduction vote from a certain perspective, just some people actually inspire you to vote for them, Bernie, Obama in 2008 and 2012 but by the end of the second term people weren’t that impressed, Kennedy, Lincoln, were all highly inspirational people, the type of people you are proud of being your leader, maybe even al gore fits that category too, but the problem is that all of those people I mentioned have faults and there is no perfect president or person, that’s why policy is more important, america is too nationalistic to vote purely on policy like Northern Europe and others we need to vote on the person something the founding fathers may not like but it’s the reality, hopefully there will be a nice balance because just as important as the policy is the messenger and the delivery of that policy. There won’t be policy based voting until money is out politics and anyone can run with no advantage of being loaded beforehand. In a democracy you need to win people over by using your experience and by being able to get people to trust you, while I trust Biden, I’m not sure he’s going to fix any of the big problems, I’m happy to be proven wrong however and it seems like he would get out of the way for the new generation which is something that is sorely needed in this country, I could be wrong on this but it’s my observation based on his character

@Hardkill yep, I don’t think Biden but Bernie is right, it’s democracy or trump also yea he was up 16 points in July but I don’t think Hilary was up as much 8 points in September of 2016, could be wrong. 8 points is still outside the margin. The margin is usually about 1-5 points

Loved that article. It’s not a foregone conclusion it goes to the Supreme Court. I don’t see how you can just argue that mail in ballot are corrupt and so not count them. You could just as easily argue that in person voting is corrupt and not count those. There is really not foot to stand on and good luck getting your own electors that bypass the popular vote.

@Lucas Kehr sure man. Just don’t let it be too big of a part of your life and part of being passionate about the scientific is always accounting for your own folly or your sources or the technology itself. Alien technology could exist on earth in secret but there no use convincing people on an Internet forum haha. I think that could be a healthy life purpose if you were more into discovery and innovation of new technology and not trying to prove a point. Just trying to help humanity like wilhelm reich. I think wilhelm reich and Tesla were smeared in bad faith because the government didn’t like what they were uncovering, but I have no evidence of shady dealing just seems pretty plausible based on the information. also the thing about Tesla and wilhelm reich is that they did the work and then let it speak for them, where as the reason why Greer isn’t more popular is because people want results and all most of them have is a narrative same crap happened with Russia collusion sometimes people don’t care about what actually exists if you can’t show them in plain writing. Is this unfair? Yea maybe but can you blame them, not really. conscious people will always have to deal with being discredited and called crazy it’s par from the course and I’m starting to realize that. just keep pursuing advancement and you’ll be great no need to worry about who believes you or not or trying to prove a point. and you’re welcome