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People aren’t rioting they are celebrating!

@DocWatts yep! I think Biden isn’t jesus or a savior or anything like that, but it’s a day for celebration in my eyes. we need to save ourselves from this conspiracy crap and lies and we at least made a major step in right direction today, hoping to run some peoples party candidates and win them

OP also the flip side to that, is Biden got 74 million votes... imagine if the left run a candidate who they actually want

@Yarco well said. There is truth to OP statement but I think a lot of them are misguided, we all know the Republican Party is the party of personal gain and most trumpists simply want more money and they may not agree with his racism but they support him anyway, I certainly don’t like that Biden has a somewhat credible rape allegation cause I have high standards but I voted for him anyway. it doesn’t mean they aren’t what you say they are, but you don’t fight hate with hate, you fight it with love OP. the correct response is to approach them and understand them, education too, but not forced, and also love and empathy, if they still don’t agree then this is America and we must respect there opinion. demonization is part of why trump lost

Convinced this guy is trolling and thread should probably locked for low quality, he “elaborates” on points but they are Tim Pool points.

I guess I’d rather be optimistic and fall back to reality or be pleasantly surprised than realist and right haha. I’m not too hopefully about Florida but I saw that in Georgia women were waiting in line 10 hours to vote and that got me hopeful cause I doubt any POC would stand in line 10 hours to vote for trump. i don’t care what states he wins as long Biden wins the EC and popular vote

@Leo Gura what would he need to do? Hoping for the 3 branch consolidation as well as public support for this. in the debate he said a coalition of legal scholars will help with reforms I wonder if they will come up with similar solutions.

@Leo Gura hahahaha I guess that’s a good point but I’m hoping a majority of people follow through and match the polling and people realize trump is too bad for a second term

@Leo Gura alright fair enough, odd you’re giving trump Florida when Biden’s about 65% favored to win it

At the least you need term limits(8-12 years) if you can’t pack the court, or a two thirds majority senate votes to be confirmed these would all be steps in the right direction.

@Leo Gura I’d say Texas could go blue it’s not impossible. Unlikely but it was also unlikely Biden would win the nomination biden wins 300+ electoral votes and wins PA NC IA OH WI MI and maybe Texas

It’s framed but it’s still funny, and it undermines Giulianis image of this super serious mastermind or at least make people laugh at him, you could argue trumps grab em by the Pussy comments were of the same caliber which were leaked. it’s not a scandal but it certainly isn’t going to win him any points lol

Socialism has many faults, but I think we need idealists to always keep people working towards a goal, until most of the population gets to green/yellow and maybe even turquoise I don’t think there can be a socialistic society that works. I don’t think socialism/communism is perfect by any stretch but I don’t see social democracy going far enough and I advocate for an even better system than all three I still think social democracy will have the problem of corps deciding and influencing government and I think that ultimate the plant will still be polluted and destroyed. what are the answers we have? I’m actually all for creating a new system of government, after all Marx lack of foresight and brutality of Stalin and all of the bastardizations of all those ideas were pretty recent in terms of human history. I like the idea of spiral wizardry or just different governments and environments for different levels of development but wouldn’t know how to express it or market it. I think that is the worst part of and idealistic system like socialism or communism is that you’re only as good as your weakest link and a lot of it is based on strong principles and consciousness/love and frankly there hasn’t been enough conscious people doing it through history. Im guessing Soviet Russia and Stalin was stage red/blue core I have recently been studying the yugas in Hinduism and in the golden age (sattya) yuga it seems as though most people were are stage turquoise/coral (approximately 11000bc and scientific evidence to suggest those humans were quite conscious and descended into ignorance) and that they do not have a government but small communities that make up a giant eco system kind of like nature. my question would be how to get from late stage capitalism to a sustainable system of government that isn’t far left socialism/communism which isn’t sustainable but also doesn’t exploit workers and keeps the planet alive? do we just create it ourselves? what would a stage green, yellow, government look like and what can we learn from Russia that would allow us to make progress to a new golden age? I think marxs critiques of alienation and dehumanization are very true about capitalism even though socialism and communism has failed when implemented. a couple big problems with capitalism is that is values gdp over happiness, and it expects economic growth to be infinite with finite resources, recessions are built into the system and property and industry is owned by a minority of the population while corporations can lobby government and throw money at laws being implemented that they choose. Im doubtful regulating this would solve alienation exploration and dehumanizations there has to be a system that doesn’t have the problems of capitalism but also doesn’t drop the nuclear bomb and start from scratch. maybe you need a bit of both but ultimately a government is a collective I think and you can’t progress with the rugged individualism capitalism we have now, ultimately we must transcend left right government and maybe even politics altogether, but we will need more and more conscious implementations of government to get to that stage like the training wheels on a bike Overall kotkin was a good listen, but I disagree with him that there will always be violent mass scale war

Fox News is a really big thing stopping a healthy green revolution. I wouldn’t say combat it with a left wing propaganda wing because I don’t like propaganda but if they were a bit more honest. CNN has a bias too but it’s a lot more subtle, Fox News is extremely biased and easy to see, yet they are both corporate news who lie so people equate the two. the biggest sham isn’t Fox News being propaganda, I think people know that, it’s that most people equate Fox News and cnn and msnbc as the same. yes all lie and are biased but one is literally living in a different reality

I don’t hate green voters but the Green Party is a failed party, we need a new party. Parties aren’t built from getting extra percentages at national elections every four years, parties are built from grassroots movements that elect local officials and then electors senators congresspeople etc. people would take the Green Party more seriously if they actually started winning seats

@Opaltri no stage is superior progressive and green is just a tad more conscious but yellow is leaps and bounds more conscious than all of them

@Husseinisdoingfine imagine regressing into yellow ❤️❤️❤️

Angela davis Joe Biden has moved from center right to center I think maybe I’m wrong. (Greenish) al gore Noam chomsky Russell brand (red to green and maybe even yellow) Chris hedges Ryan knight amazing atheist as someone mentioned. abrham Lincoln had letters written to him by Marx and evolved quite a bit MLK went from orange to green mike Tyson (the boxer red core to green core) some of these aren’t intellectuals but all prominent influencers in society who had a clear trend from orange to green. I think maybe you are missing the rule for the exception, I’ve been green since about high school and had a bit of a regression in college but that’s all it is, if you give someone long enough they eventually will see the futility of pursuing personal freedom and success to no end which is the hallmark of orange, people who tend to “regress” maybe never got to full orange and healthy green in the first place, many hippies aren’t healthy green and many teenagers aren’t either, most yellow academics Have a very clear and obvious evolution from orange to green to yellow, I don’t think SD is mistaken but with individuals it’s a lot more tricky. zizek, jung, freud, maslow, Einstein, tesla (maybe even turquoise) jane Goodall, bohr, all went from orange>green>yellow Might want to check out the examples of green thread to see some of this

Diplomacy is possible, but you can’t bullshit it, it has to be genuine.

Leftists should vote for Biden, Howie Hawkins ain’t winning the presidency and I love the ideals of the Green Party but they have no strategy to win

I get the “if you don’t vote your values now then when will you argument, but I think the answer to that is actually work within the system to form a third party that’s competitive, otherwise try to reform the Democratic Party but good luck with that, I don’t think it has the infrastructure to be a left party although I could be wrong. I like a lot of the green parties ideas but they have shown they are quite incompetent as a party, they don’t have a single governorship or congressional seat and they are supposed to win the presidency? Give me a break, also you don’t build a party from national elections getting 5% you build a party from the grassroots and there is no reason why there couldn’t be a left party with real power. and there actually are movements happening to make this so, the Green Party is like hopes and dreams or a nice car without an engine, they look nice but without a strategy and the energy/vision/people power to get there it’s not going to make it happen. trust me the Democratic Party sucks too but it has elected more left leaning people in the last two years to congress than the Green Party has in 60 years. by all means don’t vote or vote your conscience but don’t act like it’s going to do anything but be a protest vote, which is fine but a Biden presidency is a much more fertile soil for a left Overton window push than a trump presidency. And there’s really no shot of anyone else winning in 2020, I’m actively working to make there be more parity beyond two parties but in three weeks we gotta choose and we really only have two choices to actually win the presidency. It’s really that simple hoping this will change.

Sustainable ubi only happens in a social democracy early or solid stage green. I don’t think in a socialistic society you would even have one, or maybe if you changed currency. right now society is structured to produce and employ, for a ubi to work you’d need to prioritize other things like happiness and an economic bill of rights. you can still have the produce and employ aspect but you can also have the expression and education aspect, you just have to look at is as a right now a privilege. Like water air and food, we are close but far away and it is a very complex issue that would need to be means tested

@TruthHurts false equivalence, antifa can get violent, but it’s not going to create a plot to overthrow a government and execute people, that’s a real terrorist organization. And BLM is a largely peaceful movement, yes there are occasionally riots but it’s disingenuous to lump every person who support the movement as a rioter and then say that protesters are the same as armed terrorist militia groups

@Proserpina care to explain what you mean?

Support the ban, the internet is the née public square, and if companies like Facebook and Reddit Twitter have such a huge user base and allow shit like this to exist they need to be regulated, I think the fcc chair is a lot to blame for this, if we had a competent fcc chair there would already be regulations and standards. Facebook already has a huge compliance department but they certainly need more regulations like anything that is getting too out of control, it’s always a balance