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I wish I could send that latest blog post to every political pundit YouTuber and influencer that cares to understand why trump won and have them read it. That was an excellent analysis of the average American voter and I will say I never shit on Harris as a hard lefty myself I always tried to talk her up despite all the problems because we are never going to form a coalition with the right or maga but we could easily try with the center. I know we don’t always get what we want but so much of it is not going to come from electoral politics and you have to use your voice in other ways. No one political figure will save you like the blog post says, you need to organize and mobilize based on your compassion wisdom and consciousness for fellow humanity. as a comment on the election I was annoyed just how right wing the dems became on the border and courting republicans I wish they would’ve offered Palestine a bone or tried to explain to voters that mass deportations would hurt the economy but I don’t know if that would have worked, maybe their bed was made for them before and couldn’t have swung even though it was close in the swing states. Things will get a lot worse before they get better. I don’t think we will ever defeats the fascists unless their is a coalition between the center and the left like in France and I think the center needs to be more welcoming they are quite scared of trans rights and Palestine and raising the federal minimum wage and other rights etc. ultimately genuinely scared for the country and the next four years and annoyed that falsehood and corruption is winning but not giving up and going to do all I can to fight back

@DocWatts you were a great poster and all of your posts are amazing and well thought out, you will be missed. @aurum you are wise as well. too many drinking the trump kool aid in here. might dip soon, I’ve been around since inception of the politics forum and there’s certainly been a rightward shift. Just an observation.

Leo is right and I disagree with him deeply on political issues but he is right here and trump showed you who he is for four years. Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me type deal

It’s definitely going to get bad before it gets better, the us will be lucky to survive this presidency, and will suffer from it for decades to come, red house red senate red presidency and red Supreme Court is a sort of ethnocentric American fascism the likes of which we’ve never seen. And these guys are corrupt as hell

Voting trump is a grave mistake. I remember 16’-20’ and it was a constant shitshow. He is so divisive and is the primary reason people are so polarized. democrats do way better at unity and creating a positive narrative for the country which I think matters beyond the idea that he will improve the economy which he has only said he will bring prices down by drilling more oil which will put us even more in a global warming crisis. His handling of Covid and overt racism create a hateful environment and a non science based administration i think it’s fine to consider voting for trump but I think if you value consciousness work Kamala is obviously the higher conscious person and it’s not even close so basically you are anti growth voting for the lesser option. Yes we are ready for Kamala no we don’t need to go back to trump we are more mature than that. also banning abortion nationwide and in various states is such an anti American anti freedom thing which of course conservatives will try to do whether they tell you they won’t or not, they also said they wouldn’t overturn roe v wade so I don’t believe trump the habitual liar when he says he doesn’t know project 2025

Just curious what a men’s policy would be, what would you have them do? What women’s policies are democrats supporting? If you ask me pro choice is about human dignity not about women’s privilege and it effects men equally. I myself am a man but I can’t think of a specific policy for me? I’ve always wanted more government incentivized or sponsored social outings to potentially find a girlfriend but that’s about it. There’s the right wing and the left wing there’s nothing inherently feminine about left wing policies and masculine about right wing. i think it’s personally kind of offensive to think that trumps policies are masculine anyway because that is not my idea of a masculine man. Now Ill give you that they don’t usually use masculine language and messaging but of all of Kamala’s proposed policies they effect the two sexes equally. also isn’t it time women get catered too? men have been catered to for all of political history in this country. It’s nice to know someone has their back for once.

what Is the main goal of capitalism? At least socialism/communism have a vague goal of happiness of the society it hasn’t been implemented successfully because mankind is too stupid not the other way around.

Not to derail the thread but in reply to your comment, what is this obsession with a daddy figure? I myself identify as a man and that is my birth gender and yet I’ve never felt like I need to be masculine it’s always just been taken for granted nothing needs to be reinforced. I don’t understand why so many people need to project that out on to society. Seems like there is some insecurity in todays youth. im just me and that’s good enough no need to couch my identity in masculinity or femininity don’t get why so many people need to. Be a chameleon blend in with whoever or stick out and create your own path don’t be a mindless role model slave

My 2 cents on this topic is that surrendering your political agenda or survival agenda is absolutely essential to detach yourself from the fray to understand a lot of motivations and connect a lot of the dots for political sense making. But it’s almost impossible to be neutral because this forum wouldn’t exist in an authoritarian political climate and unfortunately philosophy is considered a left wing political exercise. the funny thing is that I would consider anyone to use the word sense making and connect it to politics to be left wing or at the very worst a centrist, and on the ground it just can’t work. There will always be forces that are working to homogenize and destroy intelluctualism and philosophy as nonsense and flex their fascist muscles. i would consider us lucky to even have this medium because to even have the time and resources to not think about politics from a survival based ego biased position is a blessing. But i agree with both of you that it is essential to detach and also do the dance of action as well. Unless you are totally detached which I envy I haven’t been able to get there yet. politics at their best is a way of maximizing love and consciousness among all beings in a very Buddhist way in my opinion but in practice it is just mindless survival and groupthink a lot of the time and yes that goes for both sides. sadly I don’t think if trump is elected that the institutions could hold up and that’s not counting the cultural damage it does to our discourse, values, and ethics. I think there needs to be a way to make sense of our environment and also stand for something and balance the contradictions. as a human entity, or as god playing the human it’s hard to put investment into it realizing it is all a game but I don’t want the living nightmare as far as my incarnation is concerned. hope this helped maybe it was relevant maybe it wasn’t just my two cents

If you use the term “black jobs” don’t be surprised if someone calls you a racist, you can say white collar and blue collar jobs but you can’t really define what a black job is without sounding racist imo. Black people can have any type of job and they can’t be pigeon holed into one field or one type of job like trump is trying to say. if you’re looking for instances of trumps racism and you say the only instance is of 20 years ago well this article proves you wrong https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history from 2016 and I quote : On the campaign trail, Trump repeatedly made explicitly racist and otherwise bigoted remarks, from 1.calling Mexican immigrants criminals and rapists, to 2. proposing a ban on all Muslims entering the US, to 3. suggesting a judge should recuse himself from a case solely because of the judge’s Mexican heritage. 4. to pandering to white supremacists after they held a violent rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, 5. to making a joke about the Trail of Tears, Trump hasn’t stopped with racist acts after his 2016 election. 6. also having dinner with a known white supremacist nick fuentes and giving Kanye west his ear who is an anti semite. 7. Most recently, Trump has called the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus the “Chinese virus” and “kung flu” 8. he also accused Obama of never being born in the USA, 9. recently called Kamala not black and argued about it with black reporters. 10.Speaking about immigration in a bipartisan meeting in January 2018, Trump reportedly asked, in reference to Haiti and African countries, “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” 11.Trump tweeted later that year that several Black and brown members of Congress — Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), Ayanna Pressley (D-MA), Ilhan Omar (D-MN), and Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) — are “from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe” and that they should “go back” to those countries. It’s a common racist trope to say that Black and brown people, particularly immigrants, should go back to their countries of origin. Three of the four members of Congress whom Trump targeted were born in the US. so basically here is the list, if it isn’t good enough for you to realize the man has a public record of racism then no one will convince you.

Still a wild thing to say whether you frame it that way or not. People must vote in democracy unless they just want a big daddy strongman like trump to rule their lives and do everything for them. if a democrat told people they wouldn’t have to vote anymore people would lose their minds and fairly so. Such a stupid thing to say anyway.

Overall I think that link was pretty spot on, i would classify myself as high in all those parties and if I had a ranked choice vote I would put 1 marianne 2 kamala, for VP im thinking more and more Tim Walz or Beshear but if aoc ran her or whitmer would be good choices too. Joe exotic seems like a joke he doesnt seem like a progressive person at all lmao. thanks for sharing the link.

@Princess Arabia it gets nowhere simply because wherever you go there is no one there and nothing to get because seeking is pointless as the appearance is complete and whole already. Parroting a bit but yea something I do hear is “how can you arrive at what already is”

Jim Newman often says “I’m not saying there’s nothing to do, I’m saying there’s no you” so apparently doing arises but it gets nowhere, this experience over here is dealing with the rug being swept out from under it yet again, even though there’s no me to accept it in the story of who I am it’s incredibly frustrating not having a way to go or something to seek but that is what’s happening and it sucks and rocks at the same time

I see you Leo, sneaking your way onto Jeopardy without telling us