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https://www.cheetahhouse.org/ These guys might be able to help. That sounds dreadful. I'm sorry.

2500 approaches is very impressive amount to have done. So respect for that. That shows the block isn't effort-based. Don't let people gaslight you otherwise. My guess is you need better theory bro. What is your current pick up strategy? Even if that strategy is being yourself And I agree that Escort could be good idea. And Todd V could be very helpful pickup wise.

That was quite something to read

I'm not sure whether I love or hate Dean lol

Is interesting you say that. I recently having working on a tonne of Todd V stuff, and one of my biggest changes is focusing on qualification as a sign of attraction from the girl. Aka her giving unnecessary clarifications, excuses, explanations when she talks to you. Or just trying to change the perception you have of her. And I realised women actually qualify quite frequently to guys but I didn't pick up on it. Not only with me but I also watch a lot of more normal dudes in conversations with girls and see girls qualifying themselves too to them. But I bet a lot of those dudes don't think she was into them. But actually the girls were to some degree!

Ankara Messi! Ankara Messi!

Conversational skills are part of pick up for sure. But that isn't enough, you also need to know how to make things man to women for example.

I get where you're coming from. For example, pickup is based around having success in casual dating usually over a one or two night period, and relationships over a much longer period and there are many more serious parts to it. However, every relationship also has a beginning period. A first meeting. A first date. And pickup is all about making that first period go really, really well. And making that first period go so well, means you have MANY more options, and are able to choose someone who is more of an actual match.

Good tips, but Mark conveniently leaves out the pick up journey he went on to be able to have a very good dating life.

I remember Todd V talking about speed dating. He said it was sort of like cheating after you've done cold approach. And can be a good way to practice. Think he said some other stuff too. Speed dating sounds great.

General comments I get you bro. You think you might sometimes be seen as a weirdo in their eyes or as though you're acting better than them. I sometimes think that some women think that of me sometimes too. However, those impulses to filter for a good enough thing to say are what near everyone experiences around people they perceive as having a lot of value relative to them and a lack of understanding of how to close that gap. And when it comes to hot girls I'd say 95% of dudes feel this way around them. So, its not just a you thing :). I feel this way a fair amount too. I mean hot girls also feel like this towards dudes they are really attracted too. So, its just a human thing. You can do a range of things to work on not knowing what to say, and being more competent around hot girls. For example, having female friends, focusing on just being friends with girls at first, learning game, learning social skills. You can't really beat learning some game though. Its only natural that if no one has given you good advice on how to get a hot girl into you that you won't know wtf to say! Especially given the laughably deluded mainstream advice on it. Todd V is the best teacher, in my experience, for learning game hands down. You need good basic conversational skills too though. That said, I have MANY struggles in this area. So, I'd focus on advice from dudes who get significant results with girls from cold approach. That said, I like to give my thoughts here because although well-meaning I see other advice on this sub-forum and online which is clearly delusional. So, focus on my advice over the deluded shit hehe. For example, guys/ girls who give advice on cold approach having never cold approached once in their lives. Much of it is cope, or feeling threatened by game. ---- Techniques Here are some basic techniques from Todd V on having things to say. 1. Yes and... Whatever she says you say 'yes and...' then give your opinion. Very safe way of making conversation. Which non-crazy person will dislike someone for agreeing with them and adding to the conversation. 2. I love/ I hate For example, "I love pokemon. Its my favourite game" "I hate cold weather. It ruins my day". I love and I hate is a very strong/ alpha way of speaking. You'll actually be less likeable, but more polarising. So, you'll have more people strongly disliking you, and more people loving you. 3. Vibing Basically comment on whatever comes up in conversation. For example, she says "I don't like salads", what comes to me is "I hate salads too". A good way to do that is to wait until you something sparks in your mind to say. Then trust that whatever you thought of is good enough to say. Obviously there are some exceptions to this ;). 4. Storytelling A good story has three parts. Firstly, a situation. Secondly, an interruption to that situation. Thirdly, what changed after or because of this interruption. Also, you want to convey your or your character's inner experiences (thoughts, emotions, imaginations) during the story . That is the really interesting part. For example, (Situation) I used to not like Salads (inner experience). I would just eat junk food all day, and tell myself that it didn't really matter (inner experience). (Interruption) Then I watched a documentary about how people who spent their life eating junk food die significantly younger and it freaked me out (inner experience), and I realised I needed to change (inner experience). (Change) Ever since then I've been super health conscious and I still wince when I think of how bad my diet used to be (inner experience).

Oh DAMN. That is very different to my experience. I can definitely related to adhd making you emotionally ungrounded, and I agree about the sadness. I did recently watch a video from a Todd V course where he touched on ADHD and game actually though.

great insight!

Seems pretty ridiculous to me to go after a CPTSD person when the psychology profession only just recognised CPTSD as a mental health diagnosis.

LOL