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I can get the frustration and irritation that unreasonable cult accusations must bring. And you have every right to call out their bs. I would find it exhausting and rage-inducing myself. And it annoys me when I see people make unreasonable or bad faith accusations agaist you. You have done good work over the years to ensure actualized.org doesn't become cult-ish, and improved your communications on the forum as you said you would. I have made criticisms of your actions before, but it is only fair I give you credit where it is due. Some only appear to want to do the former. That said, I can also understand the push-back on this thread. I think it would be right to mention that it is the unreasonableness of the accusations that you are against. Or that you will ban if the accusations are unreasonable, or clearly driven by bad-faith motivation. Being around here for a while I can understand where you're coming from but I could see a youtuber seeing this as an easy chance to jump to a negative conclusion and attack you. But also given the topics discussed here I don't think its right to completely close the door on cult criticisms being allowed. A middle ground could be to make it a ban based on unreasonable, or bad faith cult accusations. Or a ban on cult criticisms on normal threads, and then there is a feedback thread that opens once a week, say on a sunday, where people could make criticisms. And you could do it where they need to make the criticism in a certain format. And if they don't then its bannable. But again, I can understand not wanting to deal with the bs anymore.

I get what you're saying about the lack of agency. I see your point regarding the shift away from what you can influence. That said, red pill does have a fair amount of agency too. They do focus on taking action to become a high-value guy. It isn't black pill.

I can understand why you see it as dangerous. I definitely agree that a substantial amount of it is dangerous. Particularly due to hateful fiigureheads like Tate and Fresh n Fit. That said there is a fair amount of truth in red pill ideas, like 40% of it. If mainstream stuff keeps being delulu about how attraction works then its understandable that alternative sources will help people meet the needs.

Not sure. Except I'll restate the point about red pill being much more abstract. I don't know how they differ content wise. The red pill stuff does seem like a lot of cope around avoiding cold approach though. I wouldn't be unempathetic to that if they were just honest about that. Pick up is rough. There seems like there are more higher-ideals in pickup too. Its more lets make life epic compared to the bitterness of red pill

No. Pickup is way closer to the truth than red pill. I mean its night and day. Red pill has some very good parts but also a lot of circle-jerk theorising to it. The major difference is pickup theory is derived from guys going out, trying stuff and seeing what worked. Then making theories based on those real-world experiences. Red pill is a lot more abstract theorising. And that lack of real world experience is bound to lead to more deluded theory.

Good stuff man. I agree

They carry the energy to try and attract me. However, I am busy playing minecraft nowadays. So, they train their energy higher to try and overcome my commitment to the game.

No idea which video it was. I think it might have been from a product.

You DARE disagree with me?! Kidding kidding I get what you're saying. The image of a caveman in a cave with a club isn't exactly every girl's dream. But if you re-read my posts I made room for how people's life experiences and circumstances affect the make-up of a high value guy. And a caveman nowadays would have many of their behaviours and choices end not in positive social outcomes but negative ones. And then there behaviour would adapt to those negative outcomes and imply to girls negative life experiences, and hence he wouldn't be a high-value guy today. So, the model accounts for the caveman in the modern day critique.

Hahahaha. Third times the charm, and I'm flattered that you remember our last encounter so well.

So sassy 😂

LMAO that is hilarious

Yes, I watched a video by Todd V talking about this and he's an absolute expert. So, the guys implying its just cope aren't correct and being black-or-white in their thinking. Todd said similar things to you about not finding women regularly that he liked and not recommending to approach girls not attracted to. That said, he did caveat that by the fact that he has very high standards because of the calibre of girls his skills has allowed him consistent relationships with. But maybe you just have high standards too. The sneaky alternative is its your brain rationalising that so you don't approach. But sometimes high standards is just the case. Don't be gaslit into thinking you have a problem you don't have.

Damn. I would have expected Dallas to be perfect for game.

I would moderately agree with that. Social dominance is definitely a core high-value trait for women, and being prepared to be polarising is more likely to lead to attraction. The disagreement is that the value provided by the authenticity can also be undermined if the authenticity implies a non-high value trait. For example, if i tell a girl "I love being homeless. Its great." (assuming she doesnt think im joking) you'll get value from being able to go against social norms (implies you're strong enough to do so, or have had positive experiences doing so in past). But you'll lower your value because of how she likely perceives being homeless (incompetent, low social status). So, I'd say being authentic from a place of high-value is much more effective. Also, a minor one is its about her perception that you are prepared to be polarising, not that you prepared to be polarising.

Pick up theory would push agree with the more likely to sleep with part but disagree with the it being more mature part. Because it says women psychology has 3 camps for men. Non-sex worthy, provider, lover. Non-sex worthy is rejection. Provider is highest value guy i can get who will actually protect me and raise kids well. Lover is the best genetics guy, idea being she could get his genes and then get the provider to raise the kids. She's more likely to sleep with lover because she just wants bro's genes. But in terms of mating strategy its not necessarily immature for her to sleep with the lover category guy because she gets the good genes she was after from the lover. This theory is also in the book Sperm Wars.

I agree. That's why I included the life experiences/ social conditioning parts in my description of high-value. I'll also add present life circumstances too. For example, that will affect her mood. So, high-value to her could change day to day. But the core of what counts as high-value will always be there.

I get what you're saying about women being emotional creatures. However, I'd push back on them not caring about anything else. Because what causes them to be highly emotional in a way that leads to sex is perceiving a guy as high-value and trusting him (enough). So, really the emotions are a consequence of the image she has of the guy in her mind.

? If you mean that what is high-value in the context of female attraction isn't an objective status signal for men, then I agree. Whenever I say high-value guy I mean it in the context of what female attraction regards as a high-value guy.

My opinion is they are attracted to high-value guys who's value they see as relatable and attainable. Or you can also say trust instead of R&A. Value is mainly determined by what made sense in caveman time as value. And then life experiences/ social conditioning adds a unique twist to what value ultimately looks like for the girl. Examples of cavemen value are: - Competence, power & influence, social status And things like humor are attractive in so far as they imply you have one of these caveman values. I.e. humor implies competence of intelligence. Further its an honest signal you're relaxed enough to have fun which implies social status and competence, as if you had had terrible social experiences you wouldn't be relaxed enough to be humorous, or feel safe enough to attempt it. Trust works the same as value in this way. But these emotional things you describe I'd mainly class as in the trust part of the equation. And, these emotional things you list only make her happy if they see him as a high-value guy who they trust. So, if she smiles receiving a flower, she isn't smiling because its romantic. Its because its a positive thing occurring between her and a high-value guy who she trusts, or she's smiling because its bumping the trust levels up.

My goat

How tf is it insulting to be hanging out with a girl and not be thinking about sex with her

@Valach i agree. But that's a different discussion

I mean to be fair in part looksmaxxing is a response to the bs about looks not mattering. Which was also pushed a lot by RSD.

Pick up. And. Looking at the cute boy in the mirror.